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Pak should open corridors for militants to "liberate" Kashmir

Wednesday, August 08, 2007
12:25 IST

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Islamabad: Pakistan should recognise the Taliban and immediately open all corridors for militants to wage Jihad for the liberation of Kashmir, Pakistan Parliamentary Secretary for Defence Syed Tanveer Hussain has said.

Hussain was quoted as saying: "India will not give freedom to the Kashmiris through dialogue so we have to wage a Jihad and our Mujahideen will secure the freedom of Kashmir within six months."

Stressing that the Pakistani government should recognise the Taliban, the ruling party legislator said, "Taliban does not have any enmity with Pakistan but only with the United States."

He also asked the government to give a shut-up call to the US over its repeated threats to bomb suspected al-Qaeda and Taliban hideouts in the Islamic nation.

"The government should counter the 'Pressler-type Bill' by allowing Jihad. The aid that forces us to mistreat our own people should be spewed out," he said, while speaking in the National Assembly yesterday during a debate on Pakistan's foreign policy.

The stunning speech of Hussain got a positive response from the members of the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), particularly when he praised the Taliban.

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Alarm bells are ringing folks. I wonder what will happen if this MMA wins the upcoming elections.
 
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Dont worry nothing will happen as MMA will not come in the government but even if they do you guys need not to worry, they ant that bad, the only thing that will happen is that we will conduct a respectable foreign policy and stop lying in bed with the americans which has been the case since we got independence.
 
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..and stop lying in bed with the americans which has been the case since we got independence.

And you're saying you could do well without the Sabres, F-16s, economic aids and all else that you have recieved?
 
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Americans have been more of a ally to Pakistan than Soviet Union have been for India, Its stupid they cant see it.
 
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Dont worry nothing will happen as MMA will not come in the government but even if they do you guys need not to worry, they ant that bad, the only thing that will happen is that we will conduct a respectable foreign policy and stop lying in bed with the americans which has been the case since we got independence.

Its a catch-22 situation. You support MMA because they have balls, but they are openly supporting the Taliban and terrorism.
 
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And you're saying you could do well without the Sabres, F-16s, economic aids and all else that you have recieved?

Yeah very well! Dont sound like you know about pakistan. What we did in inexchange of those damn aids, selling our souls, handcuff foreign policy
Russia has done more then if you ever think off, Just look at the defence equipment that they give you without any interruption unlike us when need most are faced with sactions. Just because you got nuclear deal, dont forget what russia has done for you people. I would had love to see if russia wasnt at your back in 71 how would have you liberated eastpakistan.
As for f-16s they are here to fill nos else pakistan had along ago started searching for other options go read the ACs statement.
 
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Its a catch-22 situation. You support MMA because they have balls, but they are openly supporting the Taliban and terrorism.

Where did they supported terrorism, Last time i checked Mulana Fazul-e-Rehman supported the governments action at lalmasjid, but if you say they didnt openly do that because politics comes in.
 
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Icecold,

Wasnt it for you, that I gave information on how US tried to help you. Dont expect others to cover your back when you make up ill-adviced war on a superior enemy who themselves got the same level super-power friendship. Neither the Soviet Union nor the USA was going to war over India and Pakistan. Americans have done for Pakistan than any other country. just cuz your politicans are damn good for nothing buggers dont blame the people who really tried to help you.

Who do you think pressured the Shah of Iran to loan you fighters during 1965. You spoiled their trust with your nuclear proliferation
 
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The denial of western nuclear technology has got everything to do with AQ Khan. Pakistan otherwise has had an impeccable record in abiding by IAEA safeguards. There is no other excuse that can be cited against us.

Even the Chinese seem to be reluctant in providing Pakistan any civil deal on the pattern of the US-India deal simply because the rules of the game have changed. China has become a member of the NSG as of 2004 and wants to get advanced reactor technology from Europe and the United States. It will look after is own interests first.

The United States and Canada had provided Pakistan with most of what we needed to start a nuclear program. Without American support under the Atoms for Peace Program, there would have been no PINSTECH and no KANUPP. and no PAEC, which was set up in 1956 to capitalize on the Atoms for Peace Program. Hundreds of Pakistani scientists and engineers were trained in various disciplines of nuclear science and technology in the universities in the US and Europe, who would return to Pakistan and build the pride of Pakistan's nuclear capability.

The US kept supplying Pakistan with Highly Enriched Uranium for its Atomic Research Reactor at PINSTECH. Pakistan did not violate any agreement in its utilization. While India diverted spent fuel from the Candian supplied CIRUS reactor for its 1974 explosion, Pakistan did not divert any spent fuel from KANUPP. This is testimony to Pakistan's committement to honor international agreements and safeguards as a responsible state. Now KANUPP is a heavy water reactor fuelled by natural uranium, ideal for plutonium production. When Canada in 1976 cut off supplies of nuclear fuel and spare parts for KANUPP, PAEC went ahead and built indigenous nuclear fuel for KANUPP and set up a fuel factory at Kundian. The design of KANUPP is such that it does not need to be shut down for refuelling, thus making it very difficult to exactly know how much fuel was consumed or if any diversion of spent fuel has taken place or not. It was very easy for Pakistan to hoodwink IAEA inspectors had it chosen to do so. PAEC had by 1981-82 mastered the complete nuclear fuel cycle and had the infrastructure needed to reprocess fuel from KANUPP for PU equal to several atomic bombs. Yet Pakistan chose not to abrogate its international committments as a responsible nuclear power.

Pakistan had an impeccable record of nuclear restraint and responsibility. No western government or think tank has ever had the chance to accuse Pakistan of any wrongdoing or violation of any agreement of obligation as a member of the international community. Then came 2004 when the private proliferation network of AQ Khan was unearthed. This has been the single most irresponsible act of private nuclear proliferation of wholesale uranium enrichment technology and Chinese supplied nuclear bomb designs and data to Iran, Libya, North Korea and 30 other private companies and entities. Iraq was also offered the same in 1990 but Saddam suspected a trap and refused.

There is no other excuse that can be labelled against us, other than AQ Khan. If there were other excuses in the cupboard against us, they would certainly have been cited by now.

President Bush has and other US Administration officials have repeatedly cited AQ Khan's activities as the reason for not treating India and Pakistan equally. He said this to Musharraf on his face in Islamabad on his visit last year and has repeated this time and again.

The excuse for not providing us with civilian technology has not been imposed on us by the west, but has been provided to the west and the US in particular in a platter by none other than AQ Khan himself.

While hundreds of responsible, down to earth, immensely capable and patriotic scientists and engineers spent their two generations in giving Pakistan an indigenous nuclear capability, AQ for his personal glorification and greed has cast severe doubts about Pakistan as a responsible nuclear state. While those scientists and engineers who knew what AQ was doing and who had the guts to raise their voice against his actions were being dubbed as anti-state elements, AQ was busy selling Pakistan's uranium enrichment know how wholesale for private profit.

Just type AQ Khan in google news and you will see the amount of literature that is being written against Pakistan because of his actions.

Without AQ Khan's actions, it would have been very difficult for the west to deny us civil nuclear technology. Whether they would have cited any other excuse to deny us the same, real or imaginary, the mere fact that AQ Khan's illegal proliferation provides a perfect excuse to them cannot be denied. It is the writing on the wall. India they say has not produced any proliferation network like AQ Khan's. Whether India violated international obligations and safeguards is immaterial now since AQ Khan's nuclear network has overshadowed all that. This is how international relations are and it is for each nation to safeguard its own national interests.

It served no national interest for Pakistan to indulge in illicit nuclear proliferation. There was no state policy that allowed it to do so. Had it been so, PAEC should have been proliferating as well and no one has accused PAEC of any wrongdoing. So then what national interest was served by AQ Khan in selling uranium enrichment technology for personal profit and self glorification.

The Pressler Amendment was also introduced in the US Congress as a Pakistan specific law precisely because while PAEC and President Zia were repeatedly asserting that Pakistan's nuclear program was for peaceful purposes, AQ Khan was throughout 1984, busy giving irresponsible interviews in which he was claiming that Pakistan could build a nuclear device and could enrich uranium to weapon grade, all for self-glorification. While nuclear weapons were being developed by PAEC and not AQ, he was claiming it that he was accomplishing everything himself. The very next year 1985, Senator Larry Pressler introduced the Pressler Amendment to the US Foreign Assistance Act in the US Congress which was imposed on Pakistan in 1990. Pressler Amendment had profound consequences for Pakistan's coventional capability in terms of cut off of F-16 supplies and other economic assistance.

More concerning is China's changing posture towars India. Not only are they improving relations and increasing trade, but China offered a civil deal to India on the pattern of the deal given to India by the US. Despite repeated statements by Pakistani officials regarding obtaining Chinese reactors, China has surprisingly been quiet and not very forthcoming. The reason for this is that China has joined the NSG in 2004 and wants advanced western reactors, and the NSG is dominated by western European countries and the United States. So it will be very difficult for China to do anything that will jeapoardize its own interests in case it wants to give Pakistan reactors against the wishes of the NSG. If the US-India deal is solely aimed at containing China then why does the Chinese President himself offer India a similar civilian nuclear deal?

Commercial interests are definitely there, but strategic interests remain paramount. It is now the strategic aim of the United States to neutralize Pakistan's nuclear capability through India and isolating Pakistan in the nuclear field from the rest of the world. It is in a way a punishment for an excuse that we have ourselves provided to them, through the AQ Khan Network.

The Indo-US deal has on the one hand given India recognition of being a nuclear state, even without signing the NPT and it has allowed them the right to conduct nuclear test.
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"What is life? Life is the nation. The individual must die anyway. Beyond the life of the individual is the nation." Anonymous.

As for the facts, there is abundant material that is out if you want to do some serious research. Secondly, what AQ Khan did amounts to high treason. He clearly violated the "Official Secrets Act" that every individual, at every level is bound to uphold and follow who is working in the nuclear program. Please see Dr. Samar Mubarakmand's interview with Geo TV for his comments on this.

So if there is no law that prohibits the sale of F-16s by private individuals in the PAF, should they do the same? or nuclear warheads in other organizations? During General Zia's era, AQ Khan had the habit of carrying Chinese warhead designs in his brief case whenever he used to travel abroad. The CIA stole these papers from his briefcase and then produced the same in front of General Zia. How responsible was AQ showing himself to be by doing such a thing? or was he looking for potential customers on his trips abroad?

Who gave AQ the authority to be reckless black marketeer? What national interest did he serve by doing so?

The centrifuges that AQ Khan sold to Iran are only meant for uranium enrichment. Uranium enrichment for power generation or weapons is more or less the same in the sense that once a country masters the technology to enrich uranium to 3-5 percent, it can go to 90 percent and above very quickly. It is just a matter of adjusting the centrifuge cascades and re-feeding the Low Enriched Uranium back into the cascades instead of natural UF6. Iran does not have any power plants for which it needs enriched uranium. It's aim is only to build a stockpile of HEU as fissile material for weapons. The reactor that Iran is building at Arak is a heavy water reactor that does not need enriched uranium.

The Ghauri deal was a strictly cash for missiles deal that was sanctioned by the Army to AQ Khan to get them from North Korea. He was NOT authorized to sell centrifuges to North Korea. AQ Khan made more than 13 trips to North Korea in one year alone. North Korea nuclear scientists began visiting KRL in the cover of being missile engineers. President Musharraf has written about this at length in his book. Other sources verfiy the same.

Regarding reliable delivery systems, Ghauri is a liquid fuelled missile. It takes hours to prepare it for launch since the fuel cannot be stored inside the missile. PAEC/NDC were already working on their own solid fuelled missiles from 1990 onwards. Because they were developing indigenous technology, which has formed the basis of all other solid fuelled missile systems in Pakistan's inventory, AQ wanted to beat them with his own missile. It was all for his personal glory.

So he got a ready to fire, ready made missile for North Korea and claimed it to be his own. Secondly, Shaheen-I was tested soon after the Ghauri test. It is Shaheen that has provided Pakistan with a reliable delivery platform that gives us assured survivable and second strike capability. The Ghauri program has been effectively sidelined in comparison to all other solid fuelled systems.

A missile is essentially a delivery platform. Without a warhead, it is just a guided rocket. And warheads for missiles are PAEC/NDC/NESCOM's responsibility, be it Shaheen or Ghauri or Babar. AQ did not have the capability to build warheads for missiles.

Libya gave us funds only in Bhutto's days. Libya has been very pro-India ever since the demise of Bhutto and has never supported Pakistan over Kashmir. We were under no obligation to give Libya any technology. AQ Khan pocketed 100 million US dollars from the Libya deal alone.

Iran is Pakistan's strategic competitor. There are clash of interests between Pakistan and Iran in Afghanistan and Central Asia. Pakistan's traditional allies have been the Arab states who will never want a nuclear Iran. An Iran with nuclear weapons will be a major headache for Pakistan also. Iran has close strategic and trade links with India. What strategic benefit will Pakistan derive from a nuclear Iran?

AQ Khan made his first act of illegal proliferation when he established contact with an Arab country in 1980 who had offered him lots of money in exchange for information about uranium enrichment and nuclear weapons. AQ alone could not do anything on the technical side, so he gathered the scientists under him and told them of the offer. One of them said that doing any such thing was bound to be known by the government, sooner or later, and that they would instantly be branded as traitors.So they refused to go and meet the Arab country's contact, but AQ Khan nevertheless did go and meet the contact. When this happened, one of the scientists working on the centrifuges went to General Zia and told him about this. When General Zia summoned AQ Khan over this for an explanation, he promptly swore on the Holy Quran that he had never said or done any such thing. He denied any wrongdoing in front of General Musharraf also when he was confronted with evidence regarding the North Koreans and he denied any wrong doing again regarding Iran and Libya, but when confronted with irrefutable evidence, he broke down and confessed everything.

Even before 1980, in 1978 all supplies of high frequency inverters were stopped from Europe to Pakistan and alarm bells raised throughout the world when AQ Khan tried to quash a deal between SA Butt, PAEC's chief procurement agent in Europe and a German supplier who had arranged inverters from a British company Emerson Electric. When the German whose name was Ernst Piffl found out that others were trying to cut his deal short, he leaked the information to a British MP Frank Allaun who raised hell in the British Parliament. AQ and one his friends based in the UK, an Indian by the name of Abdul Salam and a British engineer Peter Griffin had established their own company by the name of Weargate. They wanted to deal directly with the frequency suppliers to pocket the commissions themselves. In 2004, Peter Griffin emerged as one of the key players of the AQ Khan Network.

India too managed to use the elements of the AQ Khan network for spare parts and design information based in Dubai. Long before the AQ Khan network was unearthed, Munir Ahmad Khan, former PAEC chairman had written in one his articles on India's nuclear program in 1999 that Indian centrifuges were so similar in design to Pakistani one's that it was a very strange co-incidence. This has been proven by one of AQ Khan network's agents who was arrested in South Africa and who testified in court and has been pointed by President Musharraf in his book as well.

Pakistan's real heroes are those who silently upheld their loyalty to the country and burnt midnight oil without working for fame, power, popularity or money and enabled Pakistan to become a nuclear power against all the odds. They too could have easily found a short cut to fame and popularity by using official funds for personal glorification. They too could have sold sensitive nuclear weapons technologies to would be customers for personal profit and gotten away with it through the immunity acquired through propaganda campaigns financed by official money. But they chose the honorable way and sacrificed their personal glory for Pakistan's glory.


Munir,

AQ was never the head of Pakistan's nuclear program. He was only heading one project while over 20 projects the size of KRL were being run by PAEC, all working on the nuclear program.

AQ Khan was not the only source of enrichment knowhow for Pakistan. His drawings, combined with Italian designs, cascade design information and open scientific literature helped Pakistani scientists and engineers to develop and build their own centrifuge through indigenous efforts. According to Dr. GD Alam, who was once KRL' Chief Scientific Officer, AQ's drawings were incomplete and it took a lot of indigenous R & D by PAEC scientists working in KRL that led to success. Before AQ came to Pakistan, PAEC had set up pilot centrifuge facilities in Chaklala where the real breakthroughs eventually took place. PAEC had imported everything from flow forming machines to maraging steel and frequency inverters in 1975, which were needed to kick start the project. By the spring of 76, they were spinning the first experimental centrifuges in Chaklala. Site selection of Kahuta itself had been completed by Jan. 1976 and all the technical manpower needed for the project was put in place.

What AQ had was access to supplier lists in Europe, many of whom later became very important members of his black market. But again, he was not the only source of suppliers as PAEC had its own supplier network for all the other 20 projects. The main guy who enabled Pakistan to establish the import network was SA Butt who also imported important equipment and machinery for the enrichment project. He was working for PAEC. After AQ took over, the placed his own men in charge of procurement for KRL and the import network then turned into an export smuggling network. PAEC however continued its own procurements without trouble.

AQ Khan never had the know how and the mandate to build a nuclear device for Pakistan. That was PAEC's job, as was nuclear fuel cycle, and uranium mining, milling, conversion, fuel fabrication, reprocessing and other R & D work, including turning the HEU into metal, developing the atomic bomb's trigger mechanism, its design, high speed electronics, explosive lenses, diagnostics, testing facilities and much more. Uranium enrichment does not begin at KRL. It begins in Dera Ghazi Khan where PAEC coverts the yellow cake into high purity UF6 which is the chemical form in which uranium is enriched and feeded into the centrifuges in Kahuta. It takes much more than a centrifuge to build a bomb and much more than just one project to master the nuclear technology to develop nuclear weapons, which is an entirely different ball game.

AQ is blamed for proliferation while others are not because his is the only case of private proliferation. All other transfers have been regulated by the governments or their respective entities through agreements and regulations. In AQ's case, no such responsibility/authorization was there.


Regards.
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Salam Imran,

Yes I fully agree with you. There is no doubt that the west has always shown discriminatory attitude towards Pakistan for decades. But we must remember that it was Canada that gave us KANUPP and the United States that helped us set up PINSTECH and gave us the Pakistan Atomic Research Reactor-1 with its highly enriched uranium fuel. But all that changed after India's 1974 test. While sanctions were imposed on India, Pakistan was also put under sanctions. But as of 2004, things had changed. The AQ Khan network had been exposed and it gave the US and others a very easy excuse not to treat us at par with India. While India offered immense commercial advantages to US nuclear industry, the US also saw the Indo-US deal as way to neutralize Pakistan's capability and in a way to punish Pakistan for the proliferation activities of one man. The Indo-US deal has not only accorded India the recognition of a nuclear state but has effectively isolated Pakistan from the rest of world in advanced nuclear technology.

But unfortunately for us, breaking the network has not undone the harm done to our image. The politicians in the west who have always been influenced by Jewish lobbies and a very effective Indian foreign policy, thanks to the AQ Khan network, now have such an easy excuse that no matter what we say now or do now will help to satisfy their fears.

It is as if we , by virtue of the network, have ourselves committed suicide by providing them with the ammunition to use against us. Now all those who have traditionally said that Pakistan should not be given nuclear technology have by virtue of the network, stand justified, atleast in their own eyes, and especially the policy makers in Congress and other European capitals.

There is no morality in International Politics. Pakistan is a medium sized country and our national interest require a very prudent and careful foreign policy. We cannot afford to annoy the international community when doing so does not serve any of our national interests, and especially when we are dependent on them for high technology.

We cannot reverse engineer advanced reactors or fuel cycles. It is like saying that perhaps we can reverse engineer a French Mirage III or V but we cannot reverse engineer a French Rafale or an American F-22, no matter how hard we try. Even the Chinese have been looking for industrial espionage and open agreements with the Europeans and Americans to get access to high technology. The bottom line is, we have no choice, if we want high technology, we will have to act responsibly, without compromising on our strategic interests.

So had there been no AQ network, then surely Pakistan would have had a high moral ground. No one then could accuse us of any illicit proliferation or any other excuse. Atleast China could have told the NSG that since Pakistan has been a responsible state, atleast we will go ahead and cooperate with Pakistan in civil nuclear technology. But these are all ifs. And the damage has been done.

The technology proliferated by AQ to Iran, Libya and North Korea would surely have been inadequate to build a nuclear device. It takes much more than mere centrifuges to build a nuclear bomb. Again Dr. Samar's interview will shed more light on this. But it saved Iran from a lot of hard work. Libya did not have the infrastructure, so they gave up. North Korea too had a headstart in its uranium enrichment program when they were focusing on reprocessing. AQ not only sold complete operational centrifuges, although the older P-1s but complete information regarding their use, installation and all other associated engineering problems. He also sold them chinese atomic bomb designs. In short he sold them a complete enrichment package.

For a country like Iran, it gave them a lot of confidence and has saved them precious time. But they still have to master the complete fuel cycle, produce high purity UF6, convert the HEU into metal, and then design and develop the bomb that can be delivered. And they have other sources as well.

Exporting nuclear technology by private individuals is an unpardonable sin in the ruthless world of today. We have to get the best benefit out of the nuclear powers in the area of civil technology, regardless of what India does and how they treat India. They will treat us only on the basis of our own actions, not what India says or does. If we want technology from them, we will have to satisfy the NSG that we have solid credentials as a responsible nuclear state. Again, I would say it is all power politics. There is no morality and we will have to do all that it takes to restore our image.

Regards.
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http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showthread.php?t=7207&page=7

Do a little of bit sel-introspection, like this dude, above from pakdef.info. Do stupid things, your friends will treat you as stupid
 
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Icecold,

Wasnt it for you, that I gave information on how US tried to help you. Dont expect others to cover your back when you make up ill-adviced war on a superior enemy who themselves got the same level super-power friendship. Neither the Soviet Union nor the USA was going to war over India and Pakistan. Americans have done for Pakistan than any other country. just cuz your politicans are damn good for nothing buggers dont blame the people who really tried to help you.

Who do you think pressured the Shah of Iran to loan you fighters during 1965. You spoiled their trust with your nuclear proliferation

I wasnt commenting on the information you gave, i thanked you for that. I replied to the thing you said about russia didnt do asmuch for you then US did for us. In your same post it stated that Russia made american backsteped and they also threated china that russia will attack if china crossed the boder with india. What else did you expected of them. and yes Russia was willing to go to war over india if she had too unlike US. Why do u think that indra got into pact with the russians and she was so determined when said that usa is in waters near the cost she remained calm, it was russia backing them up. Dont go into the 60s, we were equally helping them against the russia(a bad decision) which made ussr our enemy, we helped US get close to china.
and where did the goodwill of americans go in the 90s, we spoiled their trust, to hell with it what did they expected of us, india exploded nuclear weapon just after pakistan got divided into half, they still expected us to remain on the US gurrantee.
I agree with you that our political leaders were no good and we need some 1 with balls like Bhutto was who dared the americans that we will bulid nuclear and you do what you got to do. Let me tell you something else also, friendly countries dont put sactions on other friendly countires neither do they threat them to bomb them to stone age, i dont remember Russia ever threating india or for that matter china threating pakistan.The simple fact is whenever US needed our help we became their ally, otherwise they put sactions on us, even now we did so much on wot and lost soliders more then any country ever did including US, yet again they linked our aid with what we do in tribal areas, threat to strike within pakistan.
I dont wana get into anymore argument with you then already i have, because its of no use and simply puts us offtopic.
 
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I wasnt commenting on the information you gave, i thanked you for that. I replied to the thing you said about russia didnt do asmuch for you then US did for us. In your same post it stated that Russia made american backsteped and they also threated china that russia will attack if china crossed the boder with india.

Who had a Carrier fleet in the Bay of Bengal, the Russians or the Americans. Russians only had 3 nuke subs here. Its stupid for Indians to think Russians would go to war for them, US was all more than ready to do it. You do have to understand that they did come for your aid, even though they were hard pressed in vietnam. It wasnt as if USN was sitting in the port.
Why do u think that indra got into pact with the russians and she was so determined when said that usa is in waters near the cost she remained calm, it was russia backing them up.

If she didnt, USSR couldnt intervene while Americans since they already have a treaty with Pakistan can. Do you think Indians are stupid. Americans had a very high regard for Pakistani's. It was you who went against that, proved yourself compelete dud-heads in my opinion some really ill-planned and ill-adviced plans. Just to Think, they assumed that Indians wont cross IB, when they were attacked in Kashmir in 1965. What were they smoking????

Dont go into the 60s, we were equally helping them against the russia(a bad decision) which made ussr our enemy, we helped US get close to china.

That will be during the Nixonian Era.



and where did the goodwill of americans go in the 90s, we spoiled their trust, to hell with it what did they expected of us, india exploded nuclear weapon just after pakistan got divided into half, they still expected us to remain on the US gurrantee.

Actually Yes. Pakistani's would have got a better deal. Indians never proliferated their nukes for Nodong missiles.


I agree with you that our political leaders were no good and we need some 1 with balls like Bhutto was who dared the americans that we will bulid nuclear and you do what you got to do.

Glad we do agree. Make a nuclear Bomb dont proflierate it.

Let me tell you something else also, friendly countries dont put sactions on other friendly countires neither do they threat them to bomb them to stone age, i dont remember Russia ever threating india or for that matter china threating pakistan.

We have never acted like Pakistan with the Russians and we drew the line were the Russians werent allowed to cross. China is a another matter, the Chinese will Fight the Indians to the last Pakistani's.


The simple fact is whenever US needed our help we became their ally, otherwise they put sactions on us, even now we did so much on wot and lost soliders more then any country ever did including US, yet again they linked our aid with what we do in tribal areas, threat to strike within pakistan
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Its simply like what Azad Kashmir Prime Minister said, there is no use of telling the world, americans especially that there are no terrorist camps in Pakistan, they know about it, they have proof about it and they see it everyday with their stallietes.
Its american money, they will do as they please. Pakistani's arent doing enough, that is the truth. The problem your country faces is far more than couple of predators bombing your borders.
Pakistan as a country is in the cross-roads now, They every serpent it created to avoid being sandwiched by India and Soviet Union is bitting it back, the Text books of Zia has made the society of Pakistan forget the ideals of its creation.
 
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Glad we do agree. Make a nuclear Bomb dont proflierate it.

Adux,

The gentleman you quote has himself made a strong case that the proliferation was AQ Khan acting alone. We have had the discussion before as well, that almost every single country with a nuclear program has had "rogue individuals" who have "proliferated sensitive technology". AQ Khan is probably the highest profile case and Pakistan is paying a steeper price than other countries for a variety of factors, his choice of clients (Iran, NK and Libya) probably being one of them. But it is not Pakistan that proliferated, and I have not seen anyone, yet, make a strong case to counter that.

P.S: Tis election season in Pakistan too... Lets add these comments, by politicians in Pakistan, to the pile including the comments about attacks on Makkah and Madina:disagree:
 
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We need a Ummah for politicans, trust me there will be world wide agreement,,lol

AM,

That is where I differ with the person I have qouted, I believe Pakistan has played an equal or more part in Nuclear profilieration where AQ Khan is just a scapegoat.
 
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Agonistic Muslim, there is simply no way a scientist would have been able to do quarter as much as he did without government support. Please dont kid yourself saying that this is just a lone individuals work. AQ Khan was made a scapegoat when he should be considered a hero for Pakistan.
 
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