Pak race for tactical nukes adds new poison to the mix

[Rajputana]

And you will be the next Indian to avoid my question ... Are you willing ( for the nth time I am asking this ) to risk billions of Indians just because a few armoured columns are wiped out ?

Get out of the India obsession, the question Pakistanis should concentrate on is, are we willing to destroy our whole country for a few armoured column?

We already know Pakistan military is ready to nuke its own territory to do that, what about the whole bation laid waste?

 

[Armstrong]

If India attacks its not gonna attack in Indian territory I am pretty sure...

Has Pakistan made some magic discovery to stop radiation?

Think - Bridges, Reinforcements, FOBs & the sort !

Lesser Yield at an exponentially less amount of enriched Uranium = Little Radiation ! We're not going to pull off a Hiroshima but we're also mindful of any probable fall-out & it will be factored in as well during both the development of these miniaturized nukes & their deployment.

There is...

Okay, I promise not to !

 

[Safriz]

 

[Contrarian]

We have full confidence in our conventional power, looking at the balance of power, its very unlikely that IA will be able to smash PA's defences in a short war. But its always good to have a Plan B, there is always a possibility that lady luck might be on India's side and there is a Manstien or a Guederian in the IA General Staff.

Notorious, as right as you are in this statement. It would not be a lie to say that the confidence that PA has today in its ability to thwart India as a whole militarily(ie including Airforce and Navy) is not as much as the confidence it used to have in yesteryears - say a decade or two back.

 

[Armstrong]

@ Krait : Kiyaa boleii ga bhi kuch yaa busss deikhtaa raheii ga ?

 

[Secur]

Get out of the India obsession, the question Pakistanis should concentrate on is, are we willing to destroy our whole country for a few armoured column?

Go read the article again before talking of " India obsession " ... Pakistan's existence is threatened , so its logical that Islamabad will use nukes else what did we develop it for in the first place ... We will use everything at our disposal if thresholds are crossed , the same isn't true for you , is it ? You are putting your entire population to risk just because a few armoured columns / IBG's are wiped out , Tom Clancy kid !

P.S Still your fantasy of using a IBG/Armoured Column to cross the LOC was ******* hilarious ! You proved beyond doubt that you know nothing of how military operates and what are its limitations

 

[miss]

Yes , the thing which has prevented three wars is my country's worst investment , miss !

3 wars , what 3 wars.. it has just given your army a cover so that they can send terror..
- kargil , your army started a war
- parliament - your army sent terrorists
- mumbai - your army masterminded it.
what did you get in return for doing this? nothing,

 

[vsdoc]

Oh meri jaaan this is precisely what a deterrent is ! For all the huffs & puffs of going full way you know as well as I that using a tactical nuke doesn't put a strategic nuke on the table; obliterating an advancing Indian column is one thing obliterating Delhi is something quite different. If India responds by blowing up Lahore...do you think we're going to sit back & watch ?

So the question truly is : Are we bluffing when we say that we'd use it on an advancing Indian column & whats the cost the Indian High Command is willing to bear to call our bluff...if it is indeed a bluff ? Because the possible casualties are through the roof for any such engagement by either side...we will not attack & nor will you. For all the BS about doing the decent thing or doing the right thing or showing restraint for the greater good we've seen the deterrent work during the previous stand-off & Mumbai ! Its too costly to even contemplate & the deterrent worked beautifully to make it so. At best we'd either have another stand-off at worst we'd exchange a couple of bullets on the LOC or have a skirmish or two over there.

No one is talking of targeting Lahore or Karachi or Delhi or Mumbai directly.

It will be a graded, instant, non-negotiable response.

An escalatory reprisal to show Pakistan the danger of its current course of action.

A couple of small towns or villages with or without strategic importance, but with an established military presence.

Small satellite air bases.

Rahim Yar Khan.

Bahwalpur.

Sub-100 thousand. A message.

 

[Contrarian]

And you will be the next Indian to avoid my question ... Are you willing ( for the nth time I am asking this question with no rational question ) to risk billions of Indians just because a few armoured columns are wiped out ?

So the question truly is : Are we bluffing when we say that we'd use it on an advancing Indian column & whats the cost the Indian High Command is willing to bear to call our bluff...if it is indeed a bluff ? Because the possible casualties are through the roof for any such engagement by either side...we will not attack & nor will you. For all the BS about doing the decent thing or doing the right thing or showing restraint for the greater good we've seen the deterrent work during the previous stand-off & Mumbai ! Its too costly to even contemplate & the deterrent worked beautifully to make it so. At best we'd either have another stand-off at worst we'd exchange a couple of bullets on the LOC or have a skirmish or two over there.

Please understand that a response to a TNW over an Indian brigade on Pakistani soil does not have to be a strategic nuke. While mentioning that it will be considered as a strategic strike gives India an option to exercise should it chose to.

But there are far easier options to exercise by India as well. Examples:
1. Attacking the unit with which the nuclear warhead was launched along with its home base with small yield nukes.
2. Attacking the next military base in the line of advance.

And then halt the military advance.

You have to understand that someone somewhere in the Indian military also has brains and are not utterly bumbling fools. We are not left with the idiotic question that in loss of a brigade would India be willing to sacrifice over a billion people.

No. The India has simpler choices like the ones mentioned above. It will be upto Pakistan Army then to respond. India will have responded in kind to nuclear attack with smaller yields as well and along with maybe(?) stopping the military advance - to give breathers and not escalate further.

There are a TON of options that can be played with by India.

 

[Secur]

Lesser Yield at an exponentially less amount of enriched Uranium = Little Radiation ! We're not going to pull off a Hiroshima but we're also mindful of any probable fall-out

Cm'on Aeronaut ! You are talking to a fanboy who understands nothing of military affairs and yields ...

 

[Don Jaguar]

3 wars , what 3 wars.. it has just given your army a cover so that they can send terror..
- kargil , your army started a war
- parliament - your army sent terrorists
- mumbai - your army masterminded it.
what did you get in return for doing this? nothing,

Bus tumhain tang kernay ka maza ata hai.

 

[The Deterrent]

Please understand that a response to a TNW over an Indian brigade on Pakistani soil does not have to be a strategic nuke. While mentioning that it will be considered as a strategic strike gives India an option to exercise should it chose to.

But there are far easier options to exercise by India as well. Examples:
1. Attacking the unit with which the nuclear warhead was launched along with its home base with small yield nukes.
2. Attacking the next military base in the line of advance.

And then halt the military advance.

You have to understand that someone somewhere in the Indian military also has brains and are not utterly bumbling fools. We are not left with the idiotic question that in loss of a brigade would India be willing to sacrifice over a billion people.

No. The India has simpler choices like the ones mentioned above. It will be upto Pakistan Army then to respond. India will have responded in kind to nuclear attack with smaller yields as well and along with maybe(?) stopping the military advance - to give breathers and not escalate further.

There are a TON of options that can be played with by India.

Okay finally some sense being shown here
What would be the next step taken by Pakistan/India in your view (after India halts the advance)?

 

[miss]

Bus tumhain tang kernay ka maza ata hai.

woh to hai..

 

[Contrarian]

And you will be the next Indian to avoid my question ... Are you willing ( for the nth time I am asking this question with no rational question ) to risk billions of Indians just because a few armoured columns are wiped out ?

Okay finally some sense being shown here
What would be the next step taken by Pakistan/India in your view (after India halts the advance)?

Other options listed by vsdoc as well.
The ending of any war has to be as per Pakistan. Whether Pakistani Army agree's to the Indian demands or not or a compromise is worked out that allows PA to save face.

 

[Secur]

Please understand that a response to a TNW over an Indian brigade on Pakistani soil does not have to be a strategic nuke. While mentioning that it will be considered as a strategic strike gives India an option to exercise should it chose to.

You have to understand that someone somewhere in the Indian military also has brains and are not utterly bumbling fools. We are not left with the idiotic question that in loss of a brigade would India be willing to sacrifice over a billion people.

The thing is by the time India gets to exercise these option , it will already have lost a couple of invading armoured columns which are necessary to overwhelm the Pakistan Army formation , any less than that and PA can handle it easily ... You can only use Tactical Nuclear Weapon after Pakistan does it ... Attack the unit with a nuclear weapon , that wont much , attack some base , that will be nothing ... Both of these are already achievable with conventional explosives insides missiles ... It is left upto your Generals to decide whether to continue the nuclear adventure with a demoralized army but for what objective ? The main purpose of CSD will be already lost , your army couldn't teach Pakistan a lesson , even if it did , it wasn't without losing a huge chunk of its troops ... Nothing will be simpler for you , my friend ...

Well you are , when your countrymen from Page 1 how Pakistan's major cities are going to be attacked and SPD just going to sit and watch ...

The ending of any war has to be as per Pakistan. Whether Pakistani Army agree's to the Indian demands or not or a compromise is worked out that allows PA to save face.

What compromise would you be referring to ? Save face ? You will be nowhere near achieving that old dream of yours , a few invading IBG's will already be wiped off the face of earth ...