Pak race for tactical nukes adds new poison to the mix

[tony singh]

Doubt China will get involved with a Indo-Pak war the last time we fought in Kargil the Chinese asked Pakistan to respect the LOC and move back to it's position. Also with the advance of Supercomputers you can design bombs without the need of testing them not to say testing does not help it does but you can improve the design using supercomputers. Another point to mention is the Indian missiles have a better CEP to Chinese missiles thus making them more accurate when used for a precision strike.

Supercomputers offer tools for nuclear testing — and solving nuclear mysteries - The Washington Post

Supercomputers offer tools for nuclear testing — and solving nuclear mysteries

 

[Safriz]

Fail??

No i was "summoning" our knowledgable member Joe...using the new "Alladin Lamp"

 

[KingMamba]

Doubt China will get involved with a Indo-Pak war the last time we fought in Kargil the Chinese asked Pakistan to respect the LOC and move back to it's position. Also with the advance of Supercomputers you can design bombs without the need of testing them not to say testing does not help it does but you can improve the design using supercomputers. Another point to mention is the Indian missiles have a better CEP to Chinese missiles thus making them more accurate when used for a precision strike.

Supercomputers offer tools for nuclear testing — and solving nuclear mysteries - The Washington Post

Supercomputers offer tools for nuclear testing — and solving nuclear mysteries

Geography of the region however favors China. I am not saying they would get involved (I personally highly doubt it) but if they did they would have tanks rolling down hill straight for your capital.

No i was "summoning" our knowledgable member Joe...using the new "Alladin Lamp"

Yeah, but it usually shows the name @Safriz and you can click on it no??

Sneaky I see you fixed it.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Doubt China will get involved with a Indo-Pak war the last time we fought in Kargil the Chinese asked Pakistan to respect the LOC and move back to it's position. Also with the advance of Supercomputers you can design bombs without the need of testing them not to say testing does not help it does but you can improve the design using supercomputers. Another point to mention is the Indian missiles have a better CEP to Chinese missiles thus making them more accurate when used for a precision strike.

We have the world's first operational ASBM (Anti-ship Ballistic Missile), which can hit moving ships from thousands of kilometers away.

We are the 2nd nation on Earth (after the US) that has successfully intercepted a ballistic missile outside the Earth's atmosphere.

We are the 2nd nation to have successfully tested an anti-satellite missile on an actual satellite.

We have had ICBM's with 10,000+ km range since the 1970's.

Let's not make silly claims about India's missiles being better than China's, at least until you can complete even one of the achievements above.

 

[Safriz]

Doubt China will get involved with a Indo-Pak war the last time we fought in Kargil the Chinese asked Pakistan to respect the LOC and move back to it's position. Also with the advance of Supercomputers you can design bombs without the need of testing them not to say testing does not help it does but you can improve the design using supercomputers. Another point to mention is the Indian missiles have a better CEP to Chinese missiles thus making them more accurate when used for a precision strike.

Supercomputers offer tools for nuclear testing — and solving nuclear mysteries - The Washington Post

Supercomputers offer tools for nuclear testing — and solving nuclear mysteries

Americans thought the same when they attacked Korean Peninsula..
Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But yes it will depend on china's own decision and their vested interests..

 

[KingMamba]

Americans thought the same when they attacked Korean Peninsula..
Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But yes it will depend on china's own decision and their vested interests..

Do not derail the thread, the first person to mention China was a troll who signed up couple of minutes ago just for that purpose.

 

[Safriz]

Yeah, but it usually shows the name @Safriz and you can click on it no??

Sneaky I see you fixed it.

yes i fixed my initial Phail

 

[tony singh]

Geography of the region however favors China. I am not saying they would get involved (I personally highly doubt it) but if they did they would have tanks rolling down hill straight for your capital.

Not really they have to push tanks through high mountainous ground and India is already putting 30,000+ troops in Arunachal Pradesh not to mention Sukhoi MKI fighters as well heavy lift aircraft like the C-17 Globemaster

Americans thought the same when they attacked Korean Peninsula..
Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But yes it will depend on china's own decision and their vested interests..

Past history says otherwise and Indo-China relations are improving these days not to mention we increasing trade ties.

 

[KingMamba]

Not really they have to push tanks through high mountainous ground and India is already putting 30,000+ troops in Arunachal Pradesh not to mention Sukhoi MKI fighters as well heavy lift aircraft like the C-17 Globemaster

Past history says otherwise and Indo-China relations are improving these days not to mention we increasing trade ties.

I am talking about the advantage they have in Aksai Chin, do you know the strategic value of that barren land?? However enough of this like I said a troll brought up China for no reason. Also A Pradesh has always been harder to defend than attack, that can also be attributed to the geography of the region (and is the reason why the Chinese relented in '62).

 

[tony singh]

I am talking about the advantage they have in Aksai Chin, do you know the strategic value of that barren land?? However enough of this like I said a troll brought up China for no reason.

There is also strategic points that India has in Kashmir as well as Sikkim

siachen glacier being one of them

 

[Edevelop]

Good move. That should be it. Give us what we want or we will keeping expanding our military's depth.

 

[ares]

IA Armoured Strike Groups encircle and annihilate 6th Armoured Division. N5 highway has been breached, Islamabad-Karachi axis has been cut off and IA Armoured Columns are advancing towards Islamabad. IA throws up bridges in the canals of Punjab and reinforcements are arriving quickly. PA Strategic Command fires Nasr tactical nuke on IA's Armoured Columns, warns them that the nuclear threshold has been reached and the next strike will be strategic one. An excellent insurance policy from the PA side if you ask me, definitely makes the victory very costly for IA.

A fairly major oversight on your part is.
Use of nuclear weapons on Indian forces is crossing Indian nuclear threshold.

One thing you can be absolutely sure off, once you use nuclear weapons ..Indian response sure a hell will be a nuclear one(It is a part of Indian NFU doctrine).
Now weather it is an all out nuclear strike or a tactical weapons discharge remains to be seen.

What would Pakistan do then? will it go for strategic nuclear launch?? there by ensuring its anihilation.

Wasn't Paksitan purpose acquiring nuclear weapons was to ensure that they would be used as weapons of last resort ..when all else has failed and their country is doomed .. they can take India with them.

But in the above scenario, it resorted nuclear weapons(there by setting off the chain reaction leading to MAD ) much before, the country a was faced by all out defeat..but because it lost a single battle in one theater of war.

Making things worse..is the desicion to send millions of people to their deaths..will not rest..with Pakistani head of the state..but some hotheaded battlefield commander.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

A fairly major oversight on your part is.
Use of nuclear weapons on Indian forces is crossing Indian nuclear threshold.

One thing you can be absolutely sure off, once you use nuclear weapons ..Indian response sure a hell will be a nuclear one(It is a part of Indian NFU doctrine).
Now weather it is an all out nuclear strike or a tactical weapons discharge remains to be seen.

What would Pakistan do then? will it go for strategic nuclear launch?? there by ensuring its anihilation.

Wasn't Paksitan purpose acquiring nuclear weapons was to ensure that they would be used as weapons of last resort ..when all else has failed and their country is doomed .. they can take India with them.

But in the above scenario, it resorted nuclear weapons(there by setting off the chain reaction leading to MAD ) much before, the country a was faced by all out defeat..but because it lost a single battle in one theater of war.

Making things worse..is the desicion to send millions of people to their deaths..will not rest..with Pakistani head of the state..but some hotheaded battlefield commander.

That is the whole point of deterrence.

Would India commit to a conventional attack such as Cold Start, if they knew it could eventually end up escalating to all-out nuclear war? Tactical nukes are just a stepping stone in the escalation process.

 

[tony singh]

QUOTE=Chinese-Dragon;3606323]We have the world's first operational ASBM (Anti-ship Ballistic Missile), which can hit moving ships from thousands of kilometers away.

We are the 2nd nation on Earth (after the US) that has successfully intercepted a ballistic missile outside the Earth's atmosphere.

We are the 2nd nation to have successfully tested an anti-satellite missile on an actual satellite.

We have had ICBM's with 10,000+ km range since the 1970's.

Let's not make silly claims about India's missiles being better than China's, at least until you can complete even one of the achievements above.[/QUOTE]



Anti-ship missiles are overhyped there is some articles on this you can find online the Agni 3 missile we have has a a very low CEP you can see that for yourself so it is very accurate and when Agni V is put into production it will have MIRV as well as a low CEP so we are not worried about China or Pakistan in this respect as it is a stalemate.



Behind the China Missile Hype - The Diplomat



MissileThreat :: Agni-3


missile employs a more sophisticated guidance system that allows the Agni-3 complete autonomy once in flight.6 This new technology has been reported to have an accuracy of 100m CEP.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/nation/north/agni-hit-within-metres-target-362


The over 5,000 km-range Agni-V missile tested on Thursday had hit within a few metres of the target in the southern Indian Ocean and the test was declared a success since the missile hit well-within the circular error of probability (CEP) around the target, top DRDO sources said.
“The missile hit within (double-digit) metres of the target and it was well-within the CEP,” sources said. If a missile hits either the target directly or falls within the CEP around the target, a missile-test is declared a success.

 

[KingMamba]

There is also strategic points that India has in Kashmir as well as Sikkim

siachen glacier being one of them

I am going to use your map to ask a question directly related to this thread. Can all further hostilities be ceased if both sides agree to give the valley and only the valley autonomy from both states?? They can have free movement between both states and military protection ensured by both but can form their own government like the model based in Kurdish Iraq. The remaining portions will be absorbed into the states they are already a part of.

Gilgit Baltistan to Pakistan, Leh and Ladakh to India, the valley for the Kashmir's who hate the guts of both states. As for Saichin the glacier can be handed over to the UN with citizens from both Pakistan and India afforded free trekking rights. Whatever profits are made from the glacier (if any) can be given to the red cross as a joint donation by both Pakistan and India. What is the feasibility of this, or no???