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WASHINGTON: The Pakistani embassy here on Friday officially conveyed Islamabad’s concern to the United States over the American military Chief General George W Casey’s reported visit to Siachen in held Kashmir. Washington officially considers Kashmir as a disputed region between Pakistan and India whereas the senior US military leader’s visit could be interpreted as endorsement of New Delhi’s position. Pakistan and India are engaged in a dialogue process to resolve the decades-old Kashmir dispute and experts say visits by foreign officials to the Indian occupied territory could undermine the peace talks.
 
Ignoring Pak protest, US general visits Siachen-USA-World-The Times of India

Ignoring Pak protest, US general visits Siachen

WASHINGTON: Washington's response to Pakistan's complaint about the visit to Siachen Glacier in India by the US Army Chief General George Casey? C

old.

Hours after Islamabad loudly remonstrated about General Casey's reported programme to the highest battlefield in the world, which Pakistan considers a disputed territory, a senior US official in Washington confirmed the outing, while pointedly ignoring the Pakistani protest.

"As you all know, Gen Casey is in India and he was up in Siachen today," Evan Feigenbaum, deputy assistant secretary for South and Central Asian affairs, told an Indian media round table on Friday on US-India relations. "Exciting things are happening in defense."

The remarks followed an unexpected protest from Islamabad over Casey's journey to the region to study Indian expertise and tactics in high-altitude battlefield conditions which could come in handy for US troops in Afghanistan's front with Pakistan.

A Pakistani foreign office spokesman said on Thursday that "any such visit to an area which is disputed and which is under discussion between Pakistan and India will certainly cast a shadow on the ongoing composite dialogue between the two neighbours."

The Pakistan objection seems to be more pro-forma than a meaningful one considering India has taken several foreign diplomats and generals to Kashmir, and even conducted military exercises in the region. It is now widely accepted in Washington that the boundaries between India and Pakistan, including the Line of Control, will not be redrawn, and any solution to the Kashmir issue will be within the ambit of the current boundaries.

While the Kashmir issue as a "dispute" has gradually receded into the background, saner voices are suggesting that the time is ripe for India and Pakistan to settle the matter broadly along existing lines.

"The Government of India has stated that maps cannot be redrawn. The Government of Pakistan has stated that the status quo is unacceptable. One way to proceed toward a settlement would be to accept both positions and devise new regional bodies that would overlay the current map of a divided Kashmir. These regional bodies could deal with trade, tourism, power generation, pilgrimages, and other matters," the Washington think-tank Stimson Center said in a recent paper on confidence building measures between the two sides.

For a section of the Pakistani establishment though, not redrawing the maps would amount to a status quo. But under pressure from Washington and the international community, Islamabad is being persuaded to move towards a solution on the existing lines, particularly in view of Pakistan's parlous situation that makes continued confrontation with India untenable.

The Stimson paper approvingly noted that a delegation of business leaders from Muzaffarabad recently has crossed the Line of Control dividing Kashmir to discuss the modalities of expanded trade. Pakistan's top peacenik rock band, Junoon, which arguably has a larger fan following in India than in its own home, was allowed by the Indian government to perform at Srinagar in the biggest musical event in the disputed valley in decades.

The objection to Gen Casey's Siachen visit is seen here as part of a series of confused responses from the out-of-kilter Pakistani establishment that seems to be working at cross purposes. While Pakistan's newly elected president Asif Ali Zardari has been pushing for peace with New Delhi, going to the extent of saying India has never been a threat to Pakistan, the military establishment, whose budgets depend on a confrontational posture with India, had been chafing at the bit.
 
The remarks followed an unexpected protest from Islamabad over Casey's journey to the region to study Indian expertise and tactics in high-altitude battlefield conditions which could come in handy for US troops in Afghanistan's front with Pakistan.

I am sure PM Gillani and President Zardari will succeed in convincing US & UK to not to do that again.

Of course we can only respond by diplomatic protests which are falling on deaf ears.

Pakistan is the target of war on terror.

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I am sure PM Gillani and President Zardari will succeed in convincing US & UK to not to do that again

no need i hope we read next month chaina army chef visit pak aghan $ azad kashmir line of control

Of course we can only respond by diplomatic protests which are falling on deaf ears.

we have other way also but these days we never use it


Pakistan is the target of war on terror

no more soon
 
Any ideas what would be the significance of such visit?

As long as Pakistan continues to deepen its contacts with China it will be a pain in the rear for both US and India grand plans to have the ultimate Missile Defense Network against China's increasing global missile reach. This is one of the reasons that the US General visited Siachen in garb of ''learning from Indian Forces High Altitude War Theater Training''. The actual purpose remains to have a listening post and a THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) base in Srinagar or its surrounding areas.

If the US General really wanted to learn high altitude warfare, they would have come to the Pakistan Army where they have higher depth of contacts and professional and operational understanding compared to the Indian Army.
 
The actual purpose remains to have a listening post and a THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) base in Srinagar or its surrounding areas.

Logical, Thanks.

India is growing influence in Baloch/Afghan, we must counter that through supporting insurgencies in India.

Recent surge in protests in Held Kashmir are an evidence that the whole focus of Indian Army shifted to that region. For the first time in 60 year history Kashmiri brothers were waving Pakistan Flags, but our pathetic rulers didn't utter a word to support them.

Pathetic and apologetic zardari -read mr. 10%- went to an extent of calling Kashmiri freedom fighters terrorist??

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Ignoring Pak protest, US general visits Siachen
18 Oct 2008, 1304 hrs IST, Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN



WASHINGTON: Washington's response to Pakistan's complaint about the visit to Siachen Glacier in India by the US Army Chief General George Casey? Cold
.

Hours after Islamabad loudly remonstrated about General Casey's reported programme to the highest battlefield in the world, which Pakistan considers a disputed territory, a senior US official in Washington confirmed the outing, while pointedly ignoring the Pakistani protest.

"As you all know, Gen Casey is in India and he was up in Siachen today," Evan Feigenbaum, deputy assistant secretary for South and Central Asian affairs, told an Indian media round table on Friday on US-India relations. "Exciting things are happening in defense."

The remarks followed an unexpected protest from Islamabad over Casey's journey to the region to study Indian expertise and tactics in high-altitude battlefield conditions which could come in handy for US troops in Afghanistan's front with Pakistan.

A Pakistani foreign office spokesman said on Thursday that "any such visit to an area which is disputed and which is under discussion between Pakistan and India will certainly cast a shadow on the ongoing composite dialogue between the two neighbours."

The Pakistan objection seems to be more pro-forma than a meaningful one considering India has taken several foreign diplomats and generals to Kashmir, and even conducted military exercises in the region. It is now widely accepted in Washington that the boundaries between India and Pakistan, including the Line of Control, will not be redrawn, and any solution to the Kashmir issue will be within the ambit of the current boundaries.

While the Kashmir issue as a "dispute" has gradually receded into the background, saner voices are suggesting that the time is ripe for India and Pakistan to settle the matter broadly along existing lines.

"The Government of India has stated that maps cannot be redrawn. The Government of Pakistan has stated that the status quo is unacceptable. One way to proceed toward a settlement would be to accept both positions and devise new regional bodies that would overlay the current map of a divided Kashmir. These regional bodies could deal with trade, tourism, power generation, pilgrimages, and other matters," the Washington think-tank Stimson Center said in a recent paper on confidence building measures between the two sides.

For a section of the Pakistani establishment though, not redrawing the maps would amount to a status quo. But under pressure from Washington and the international community, Islamabad is being persuaded to move towards a solution on the existing lines, particularly in view of Pakistan's parlous situation that makes continued confrontation with India untenable.

The Stimson paper approvingly noted that a delegation of business leaders from Muzaffarabad recently has crossed the Line of Control dividing Kashmir to discuss the modalities of expanded trade. Pakistan's top peacenik rock band, Junoon, which arguably has a larger fan following in India than in its own home, was allowed by the Indian government to perform at Srinagar in the biggest musical event in the disputed valley in decades.

The objection to Gen Casey's Siachen visit is seen here as part of a series of confused responses from the out-of-kilter Pakistani establishment that seems to be working at cross purposes. While Pakistan's newly elected president Asif Ali Zardari has been pushing for peace with New Delhi, going to the extent of saying India has never been a threat to Pakistan, the military establishment, whose budgets depend on a confrontational posture with India, had been chafing at the bit.

Ignoring Pak protest, US general visits Siachen-USA-World-The Times of India
 
Washington: Pakistan has expressed concern over the planned visit of the US Army chief to Siachen Glacier in Jammu and Kashmir, saying the tour could be seen as an endorsement of New Delhi's position on the disputed territory.

The Embassy of Pakistan has formally conveyed its protest and concern to the Bush Administration over the visit to Siachen Glacier by the US Army Chief George Casey, who is on a three-day visit to India.

It is said that Pakistani Ambassador in Washington Husain Haqqani, following instructions from Islamabad, has sent a "note verbale" to the State Department maintaining that since the US considers Kashmir as a disputed territory, Casey's visit could be seen as an endorsement of New Delhi's position.

Pakistan, through the "note verbale", is also believed to have pointed out that Islamabad and New Delhi are engaged in a dialogue process which could be undermined by the visit of the top military official to the disputed territory.

However, the issue of Casey's visit to Siachen Glacier has not figured in the official briefings of the State Department or the Pentagon.

Gen Casey is expected to be briefed on high-altitude land warfare techniques during his visit to the Siachen base camp.

In the past, Pakistan has objected to India allowing civil and military expeditions to the Siachen Glacier, where troops from both countries have been engaged in a face-off since 1984.

Indian and Pakistani troops regularly traded fire along the Line of Actual Control on Siachen till a ceasefire was put in place along the frontiers in Jammu and Kashmir in late 2003.
 
Back stabbers ! i tell ya its too see in detail of pakistan activty and India's crying !! unreal this is crazy rubish and we must protest more and much louder !!
 
Back stabbers ! i tell ya its too see in detail of pakistan activty and India's crying !! unreal this is crazy rubish and we must protest more and much louder !!

Why does not Chinese have roads passing thru Kashmir ? so whats the problem if US General goes there. Its not in anyway going to change the ground situation.

Regards
 
No it doesn't but its political. If China's premier goes to Tibet, wouldn't the Western nations start screaming (because it strengths China position on Tibet)? Or if India sends another expedition to "explore Kashmir", wouldn't Pakistan get mad?
 
Thankyou unkown !! u seem to understand
 
No it doesn't but its political. If China's premier goes to Tibet, wouldn't the Western nations start screaming (because it strengths China position on Tibet)? Or if India sends another expedition to "explore Kashmir", wouldn't Pakistan get mad?

If the high altitude school is located in Siachen he would be very dumb to visit it underwater just to keep Pakistan happy. Heck then US chief will not leave his office in Pentagon in order to keep everyone happy. Protests have not helped so time to change the policy. When did the world complain if China PM visits Tibet ?

Regards

Ps : You can invite the Chinese or British or French General to the NA if they are interested
 

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