Pak P-3 Orion vs India P-8I

[Nazi]

P-3 Orion:

General characteristics
Crew: 11
Length: 116 ft 10 in (35.6 m)
Wingspan: 99 ft 8 in (30.4 m)
Height: 33 ft 8.5 in (10.3 m)
Wing area: 1300 ft² (120.8 m&#178
Airfoil: NACA 0014-1.10 (Root) - NACA 0012-1.10 (Tip)
Empty weight: 77,200 lb (35,000 kg)
Loaded weight: 135,000 lb (61,400 kg)
Useful load: 57,800 lb (26,400 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 142,000 lb (64,400 kg)
Powerplant: 4× Allison T56-A-14 turboprop, 4,600 shp (3,700 kW) each
Propellers: Four-bladed Hamilton Standard propeller, 1 per engine
Propeller diameter: 13 ft 6 in (4.11 m)

Performance
Maximum speed: 405 kn (750 km/h)
Cruise speed: 330 kn (610 km/h)
Range: 5,600 mi ferry (9,000 km)
Service ceiling: 34,000 ft (10,400 m)
Rate of climb: 3,140 ft/min (16 m/s)
Wing loading: 107 lb/ft² (530 kg/m&#178
Power/mass: 0.03 hp/lb (0.06 kW/kg)

Armament
Bombs: 20,000 lb (9,000 kg)
Missiles: AGM-84 Harpoon, the Standoff Land Attack Missile, AGM-65 Maverick
Sonobuoys: 48 Pre-loaded, 50+ Deployable from inside
Other: Mk 46, Mk 50 and MU90 Impact torpedoes, mines, depth charges

P-8 Poseidon:

General characteristics
Crew: Flight:2 Mission:7
Length: 126 ft 6 in (39.47 m)
Wingspan: 117 ft 6 in (35.72 m)
Height: 42 ft 1 in (12.83 m)
Empty weight: 138,300 lb (62,730 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 188,200 lb (85,370 kg)
Powerplant: 2× CFM International CFM56-7B, 27,000 lbf (120 kN) each

Performance
Maximum speed: 490 knots (907 km/h)
Cruise speed: 440 kn (815 km/h)
Service ceiling: 41,000 ft (12,500 m)

Armament
Joint missiles, Mines and Torpedoes

Avionics
Raytheon APY-10 multi-mission surface search radar
(Advanced Airborne Sensor surface search radar and SIGINT package to be follow on system

 

[Arsalan]

well on paper and as far as the specs are concerned,
it is a lost battle...
but
keeping in view our requirments and the conditions P3 are good for us for time being!!

regards!

 

[graphican]

In my opinion, rate of climb, the service ceiling and Ferry range would be irrelevant in the performance comparison. We don't have as huge coast to guard as India has. In my opinion, the parameters of comparison should be how accurate, and effective they are in hunting down submarines. P8-I being new would have edge over P3 in terms of distance from which they can track and the depth at which they are able to see. So considering our requirement, we might not be as "lost" as the specs are suggesting.

 

[GLOBAL HAWK]

No doubt P-8 is far more lethal

 

[PAFAce]

The P-3 is trusted worldwide. My cousin's worked on the Canadian CP-140 Aurora upgrades, and he tells me it's served (and continues to serve) the Canadians real well. It is a very capable platform. The Canadians, the Aussies, the Americans, the Germans, the Japanese, the Brazilians and many more have trusted it to perform critical maritime missions for years, so they should do just fine for our needs as well.

The Poseidon is very capable as well, no doubt. But, these type of 1 vs 1 comparisons are useless except in contract contests where requirements and other are aspects are exactly equal. Last time I checked, the Americans were going to go for the P-8 over a P-3 upgrade, so that really answer the question. And that really is all one needs to say on this topic.

 

[EagleEyes]

Armament
Joint missiles, Mines and Torpedoes

What kind of joint missiles. Will India purchase any?

 

[sancho]

What kind of joint missiles. Will India purchase any?

The technical assistance agreement to `operationalise' the P-8i deal, for instance, was inked recently. Then, the contract for AGM-84L and ATM-84L Harpoon Block-II anti-ship missiles for $170 million is being finalised now, said defence ministry sources.

Indo-US military tango continues, two major wargames in Oct - India - NEWS - The Times of India

 

[Arsalan]

i guess PN and PAF also have the same Harpoon Missile..!

 

[Super Falcon]

P3C major ob is to hunt any inian intruder submarines in pakistani waters and P3C is capable of doing it these things are not fighte jet so stop compring both but P8 is more better in tech than P3C for sure

 

[Righteous_Fire]

When does the PN plan to change/upgrade its P-3 fleet?? with the IN getting all this hardware, it must be a concern for PN!!

 

[Rank]

When does the PN plan to change/upgrade its P-3 fleet?? with the IN getting all this hardware, it must be a concern for PN!!

Exactly,

F18 or F16 Deal
C-130 Transport
P8i

not even single sign of Pakistan concern on that. Even not single statement comes from GOP, PA, PN, PAF.

 

[LiberalPakistani]

Indo-US military tango continues, two major wargames in Oct - India - NEWS - The Times of India

seems like a plan for future offensive against Pakistan just to let you know we are sleeping but not dead yet anxiously awaiting across.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Indo-US military tango continues, two major wargames in Oct - India - NEWS - The Times of India

cool.... so both sides will have fairly the same harpoon. pakistan just recently bought 130 of them.

 

[niaz]

There is little doubt that with higher cruising speed, a jet platform can cover larger area than a comparable propeller aircraft thus one would need fewer jet based MR aircrafts to do the job. As rightly pointed out, Indian has longer coastline to monitor, hence a jet powered platform would be more cost effective. Besides, having a higher maximum speed, P-8 can get out of the way faster than P-3 when faced with hostile aircraft.

PN has had experience with P-3’s for almost a decade and have acquired sufficient experience in maintenance & training of the crews. Therefore for our needs P-3’s are better suited for the foreseeable future.

 

[garibnawaz]

cool.... so both sides will have fairly the same harpoon. pakistan just recently bought 130 of them.

Pakistan has acquired Harpoon Block-I
Inda has Acquired Harpoon Block-II

Pakistan have surface/ship launched Harpoons which India don't have.
India will have air launched Harpoons. Does Pakistan have them?

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