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Pak-India war phobia: Who will be the major loser?

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These days political and diplomatic tension between Pakistan and India is at its peak and the clouds of war are hovering over the two arch rival countries.

India has held Pakistan responsible for Mumbai bloodshed without giving solid proofs to Pakistan government and mounting maximum pressure to achieve the vested interests and to win the sympathy of Indians. India is not interested in considering Pakistan’s proposal of joint investigation of the incidents because it would expose the hollow claims of Indian policy-makers.

Now we discuss here as to who would be the major loser in case India imposes war on Pakistan. Pakistan is famous world over as a beggar country that gets three to five billion dollars every year from major donor agencies and the countries, to meet balance of payment obligations and other purposes. At present the stock market and the overall business activities are at the lowest ebb because of domestic political rifts, bomb blasts and depression of global financial crisis and economic slowdown.

The size of Pakistan’s GDP is around 146 billion US dollars while the Indian GDP is around one trillion US dollars, 8.5 times larger than Pakistan.

The market capitalisation of Karachi Stock Exchange these days has fallen to about 30 billion dollars (from a peak of over 70 billion US dollars in April 2007) while Indian stock markets capitalisation is over 940 billion US dollars.

In FY08/09 Pakistan has projected US$6 billion foreign investment while India has set the target of attracting US$35 billion foreign investment.

In last financial year foreign trade of Pakistan mounted to 60 billion dollars (US$ billion 20 exports & US$40 billion imports) while foreign trade of India expanded to 406 billion dollars (US$158 billion exports & US$248 billion imports). Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves are close to 10 billion dollars and Indian reserves stand near 246 billion dollars.

Like big difference in the economy of the two countries, there is also a wide gap in the size of population in Pakistan and India.

Population in Pakistan is about 160 million while India hosts over one billion people. As India is much larger than Pakistan in size, economy, population and wealth, it is understood that the Indians will suffer greater losses in case of war with Pakistan.

For example, if a missile or bomb kills 10 people in Pakistan, the matching retaliation would lead to 100 or more killings in India in one incident because of the bigger size of the population.


Similarly, if Pakistan suffers 1000 dollars worth loss or more in one incident of war, India would lose more than 10,000 dollars, perhaps more than it. As Pakistan is also a nuclear power, India must not under-estimate the defence deterrence and capability of this country. Political and defence analysts say that war between Pakistan and India could shatter the Indian dream of becoming regional economic and superpower in future. Even Indians too have sounded this feeling and they have asked their government to use the tactic of pressure, instead of direct war.

Analysts also say that at this time war would benefit Pakistan as the government could pullout all its forces pitched against local militants and the armed forces and militants can struggle jointly for the survival of the country and to teach a lesson to the arch rival neighbouring country. Pakistan is a renowned beggar country and the beggars lose nothing in war.

Because like past Pakistan would continue to receive 4-5 billion dollars annual assistance from the international donor agencies and countries in future. But the misadventure of a full-scale war (that can ultimately convert into nuclear war) could turn India into a beggar country too.

New war could also throw India into the club of high-risk countries, leading to an unbelievable loss to her economy, foreign investment, multi-national companies, mega companies and capital markets.

Instead of blaming Pakistan, India should give attention to her own diehard extremists, separatists and those who killed Indian ATS Chief Karkare during Mumbai carnage, the man who expose the involvement of Indian Colonel in the Samjhota Express carnage.

India should also weed out black sheep in her Armed Forces because the involvement of Indian Army Colonel in the Samjhota Express case has not only exposed the Indian army but defamed it at all forums.
 
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if war happens biggest loser will be India because
1.Economy will suffer heavily especially in recession time.
2.Pakistan is suffering from internal bleeding now these days.if war happens India will bleed with her.
3.War will not change perception of Pakistan towards India and after war India will see even more hostile neighbor.
4. Government of Pakistan will be weaker after war,may be overthrown by military.
i need not to mention that what will happen if nuclear war occur.

Steps of India should be
1. Support GoP diplomatically but force to restructure ISI by External pressure.
2. Invest big sum on internal security,infrastructure and modernization of police and security forces.
3. Increase trade with china and push dialogue to resolve border dispute between India and china.

if consider extreme measures then
subsidize the Export products of India which Pakistan also exports and give large incentive to companies which are going to invest in Pakistan.
 
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if war happens biggest loser will be India because
1.Economy will suffer heavily especially in recession time.
2.Pakistan is suffering from internal bleeding now these days.if war happens India will bleed with her.
3.War will not change perception of Pakistan towards India and after war India will see even more hostile neighbor.
4. Government of Pakistan will be weaker after war,may be overthrown by military.
i need not to mention that what will happen if nuclear war occur.

Steps of India should be
1. Support GoP diplomatically but force to restructure ISI by External pressure.
2. Invest big sum on internal security,infrastructure and modernization of police and security forces.
3. Increase trade with china and push dialogue to resolve border dispute between India and china.

if consider extreme measures then
subsidize the Export products of India which Pakistan also exports and give large incentive to companies which are going to invest in Pakistan.
Although I do not agree with some of your points, you'll probably know which ones. ;)
I must say that you're probably the first Indian not going a "PAKISTAN WILL BE DESTROYED" on us.
Instead, you're looking at the situation with your brains and clear mind, which is good.
War isn't the solution, so I don't get it why we continue to have to debate the possibilities of war, isn't it time we shift our debates to more political and diplomatic debates which could form a solution for the current problems between Pakistan and India?
 
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Although I do not agree with some of your points, you'll probably know which ones. ;)
I must say that you're probably the first Indian not going a "PAKISTAN WILL BE DESTROYED" on us.
Instead, you're looking at the situation with your brains and clear mind, which is good.
War isn't the solution, so I don't get it why we continue to have to debate the possibilities of war, isn't it time we shift our debates to more political and diplomatic debates which could form a solution for the current problems between Pakistan and India?

I agree. At this moment, India could militarily easily defeat Pakistan but the peace would be a lot harder to achieve. Invasion of Pakistan is just not worth it. Pakistan must be made to root out terrorism on its own. This should be achieved by indirect means. Lately, Zardari has been making a few positive noises, even offering a renunciation of the no-first-use policy. Such steps would go a long way in removing the root cause of the conflict - a lack of mutual trust between the countries.
 
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I agree. At this moment, India could militarily easily defeat Pakistan
Not a chance! Prior to nuclear era you had the leverage of conventional might and outnumbered us in both numeric as well as technological stength.
But things have changed and we both posess nuclear deterence. Any agression from Indian side will be met with a nuclear strike from our end, there's no doubt about that and thats the reason there wont be a war in near future between the nuclear rivals.

but the peace would be a lot harder to achieve.
I agree, it takes two to tango and there are elements on both sides who don't want peace.

Invasion of Pakistan is just not worth it.
Impossible task...

Pakistan must be made to root out terrorism on its own. This should be achieved by indirect means. Lately, Zardari has been making a few positive noises, even offering a renunciation of the no-first-use policy. Such steps would go a long way in removing the root cause of the conflict - a lack of mutual trust between the countries.
Peace between the countries and elimination of terrorism can only be achieved by solving the Kashmir issue, thats the bottleneck. Apart from Kashmir we don't have major issues...:coffee:
 
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Not a chance! Prior to nuclear era you had the leverage of conventional might and outnumbered us in both numeric as well as technological stength.
But things have changed and we both posess nuclear deterence. Any agression from Indian side will be met with a nuclear strike from our end, there's no doubt about that and thats the reason there wont be a war in near future between the nuclear rivals.

Peace between the countries and elimination of terrorism can only be achieved by solving the Kashmir issue, thats the bottleneck. Apart from Kashmir we don't have major issues...:coffee:

How is nuking half of India, to give an extreme example, going to stop the Indian armed forces? In any case, India will retaliate in kind, destroying all of Pakistan. If that isn't militarily defeating Pakistan, what is?

The issue of Kashmir and terrorism is a classic chicken-and-egg case. Kashmir is arguably the biggest, though not the only, bone of contention between India and Pakistan. If we can't even trust each other to resolve other, minor issues like territorial waters, Indus water sharing or the Rann of Kutch border, how can we ever resolve Kashmir? Confidence in each other is a prerequisite for resolving Kashmir. The confidence can only come if Pakistan co-operates in preventing operations like the one in Mumbai.
 
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How is nuking half of India, to give an extreme example, going to stop the Indian armed forces? In any case, India will retaliate in kind, destroying all of Pakistan. If that isn't militarily defeating Pakistan, what is?

Neither side needs to destroy half the country, loss of one or two major cities will bring decisive end to the short conflict. With Mumbai, Delhi, Karachi and Lahore gone there won't be winners, only losers. Thats the reality and both sides know that. All that war hysteria is only being created to put international pressure on both side, its a huge PR show...nothing more.

Missiles can hit all of SA, first impact between 4-7 minutes all over the Sub-Continent and there's no military hardware present in numbers to avoid a successful hit. Both sides know that and this knowledge is what is keeping our troops from crossing the border. Its called cerdible deterrence, best weapon we have against eachother.
 
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Obviously India will be at major loss, whether it's conventional or nuclear war. Rajkumar have very well worded some points, tho I do not agree with a couple of the points he made, but most of the stuff he wrote is quiet agreeable.

However, Pakistan should never be underestimated that it will lose a conventional war due to sheer military size of India. There are multiple factors in winning the war, not just military.

So in case if there's a war, India will lose it, even if she wins the battle. Stakes are much higher for India.
 
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I agree. At this moment, India could militarily easily defeat Pakistan but the peace would be a lot harder to achieve. Invasion of Pakistan is just not worth it. Pakistan must be made to root out terrorism on its own. This should be achieved by indirect means. Lately, Zardari has been making a few positive noises, even offering a renunciation of the no-first-use policy. Such steps would go a long way in removing the root cause of the conflict - a lack of mutual trust between the countries.

It makes me laugh when i hear that, i have gone over this topic many times and really dont have the strength to go over it all over again. If Indian military could easily defeat Pakistan, they would have waged a war long time ago. But it seems like everytime Indian troops run back to their barracks :D
 
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