Pak. funding Mujahideen in Kashmir is counterproductive: Obama

[blain2]

Obama needs to well understand the situation of Kashmir before he talks. It is absolutely fine for Pakistan to help their brothers who are being suppressed for long.

Well lets take Obama up on his offer of "If one of the central concerns of Pakistan is its security posture towards India, then we need to put that on the table for discussion as we try to solve the problems in Afghanistan". Once he gets exposed to Pakistani security compulsions, he will realize that it would have been better for him to not talk about Kashmir at all.

The only way the US can handle the Kashmir issue is by getting involved in it hands-on. For as long as they are unwilling to do so, comments such as these wont make a difference. Pakistan can make changes in its Afghan policy after some assurances are in place to safeguard Pakistani interests on its Western borders, however Kashmir is a whole different ball game. It will require diplomacy by the US at the level of the Palestinian-Israeli issue to make headway. This is something that will not happen so at this time at least, Obama's comments should be shrugged aside as nothing of substance.

 

[blain2]

The Hindu is one of the most respected English language newspapers in the world.

In India it may be, but "in the world" is debatable.

 

[blain2]

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But we care for our people, if they are misguided- we educate them. Did you listen to the speech of Omar Abdulla in the parliament ? That is the kind of unity we will bring back to Kashmir.

But pakistan misuses its uneducated youth to come to India and get killed at the hands of Indian army. Pak army has to answer for the blood of the people.

Remember- whereever there is deliberate misuse of blood, it has back fired. And now taliban is about the back fire - it did enough damage before the peace deals were stuck.

In pakistan's interest, its good to stop terrorism. Terrorism may produce short-term results, but long term damages are very high.

The US is smart enough, it encouraged terrorism in Afghanistan to drive out the soviets, but it never involved its people. Back then, it misued taliban blood, and now its facing the consequence. It misued the afghan and pakistani blood to its cause.

Its sad that though muslims speak of Ummah, but in reality they are killing each other.

Ghattak,

Don't get carried away by the idea that only you people care for your nation. Pakistan and Pakistanis are no different...if anything, many amongst the Pakistani youth feel the pain of the Kashmiris more and try to do something about it (that is the concept of Ummah and not the one that you are alluding to). I do not want people to go over to Kashmir or elsewhere as things should be resolved via talks, however neither side plays by the rules.

It takes a lot of personal conviction for some young man to leave all of his loved ones and the worldly things to go off to Kashmir and fight. So don't tell us about you caring for this or that...if you really cared then 400 million of your countrymen living in abject property would not be so...if you cared about your own then you would have never let things go down the militancy path inside of Kashmir.

So instead of blaming Pakistan and everyone else for the problems in Kashmir, look inwards a bit too.

The US is smart enough, it encouraged terrorism in Afghanistan to drive out the soviets, but it never involved its people. Back then, it misued taliban blood, and now its facing the consequence. It misued the afghan and pakistani blood to its cause.

Please enlighten me on how you guys intend to make amends with regards to the following deliberate misuse of blood: Training, equipping and then sending Afghans and Baluch people to carry out terrorist activities in Pakistan?

 

[IceCold]

The Hindu is one of the most respected English language newspapers in the world.

I'm sure it is, but then again i have started to wonder which world are you talking about? Because frankly speaking US for you guys is the whole world these days.

 

[vish]

A bit off-topic. I have seen that you are a big time supporter of French resistance. A good thought except most French were enjoying during German occupation. Most were collaborators, their women were sleeping with the German soldiers. They lost too easily and did not fight back sufficiently.

The French are just not a great example when talking of resistance. They are made a joke up in the Western world when one talks of resistance.

I disagree Vinod... the French lost because they had a land border with Germany. The resistance did what it could, but they were up against the Wermacht. The Nazis made some stupid (racist) mistakes... hence the Wermacht lost on the Eastern front.

The French have a glorious military history.

 

[Vinod2070]

^^ Not denying anything about the French glorious history or culture or their beautiful language (which I have studied at a basic level and really like).

It was just for the events during WW II. The French had a bigger army than Germans but made many mistakes and folded up in a few weeks! The resistance fighters must have been heroic but overall were not a big factor in the larger scheme of things.

My comments are only related to what happened during WW II, not about the French in general.

 

[sunny_aus]

Obama needs to well understand the situation of Kashmir before he talks. It is absolutely fine for Pakistan to help their brothers who are being suppressed for long.

Talking big has no meaning if you don’t have capacity. Supporting any type of terrorism/ militancy in can’t make the country proud. India is the country where muslims have been getting top most positions like President, top politicians, judges of supreme court etc. if religion is the only criteria of brotherly friendship then india has higher numbers of muslims than Pakistan who may be better brothers to Kashmiries.

India and Pakistan are neighbouring countries. They must not fight. Any happening on the border results in loss of lives of those innocent/ honest military personnel of both the sides who leave their dependents helpless back home and get caught of dirty politics.

 

[sunny_aus]

These people are forced against their will to be part of a country they don't want by 700,000 armed troops. How many troops do you see on the pakistani side that spend their time harassing and oppressing kashmiris? Zero. What does that tell you?

Kashmiri residents have more freedom than muslim residents of any other parts of the world, under the largest democracy of India, they not only have equal rights as that of the residents of other states but also they have special rights like only a kashmiri borm person can buy a land in Kashmir state of india not by residents of other states of india.

Democratically elected government of Indian Kashmir is doing pretty well in Kashmir. They won the peaceful election in Kashmir in front of 1000s of foreign journalist. Presence of national army in the Kashmir is on the invitation of the state government for protecting innocent Kashmiri residents from the paid terrorists who are mainly residents of poor areas of Afghanistan and Pakistani Kashmir.

 

[sunny_aus]

I find some reason for optimism in this statement, particularly the notion that some thought is being given to addressing problems areas in the REGION, in a COMPREHENSIVE manner.

Mr. Musharraf, Shah e mardan, has sought assurances that the West, if it is to be successful in the GWOT, must acknowledge and help resolve outstanding issues which inspire many who identifiy themselves as Muslims, and certainly the continued Indian military presence in occupied Kashmir is a "constant" source of anxiety.

If there is even a single person in the world who says he knows the solution of Kashmir which is “mainly a problem between India and Pakistan” then he is nothing but a fool. The best solution of Kashmir can be found by creating a type of environment where people of both the sides, India and Pakistan, will not feel shame for any type of final solution.

There is a need of establishing better communication among South Asians. More and more cultural exchange would be encouraged. Visa process would be made more easy and a type of environment would be created like Kashmir is a location of south asia which is loved by Indians and Pakistanies both. Both the side of Kashmir, which is mainly a battlefield between india and Pakistan, would also get a real opportunity for better progress as they were doing before 1990 and enjoying peaceful life.

 

[muse]

Sunny

Well, certainly that's one point of view, environment is important, but as Pervaiz Musharaf, Shah e Mardan, has said, "will" is of primary importance.

Cultural exchanges? are we now different sides of the world or just different planets?

Now if the "Will" to resolve the problem were demonstrated, all manner of exchanges would become possible and visas a thing of the past, a customs agreement even, perhaps?

Obama says that he would seek the COMPREHENSIVE solution of Kashmir as a model for the REGION and again Shah e Mardan, Pervaz Musharraf, Firmandar, as said, the COMPREHENSIVE resolution of problems will attenuate problems the West is experiencing as well.

This is what COMPREHENSIVE means - it is very different that the bits and drips you have suggested as a model. But time will tell which is the more attractive and efficient path.

 

[roadrunner]

Talking big has no meaning if you don’t have capacity. Supporting any type of terrorism/ militancy in can’t make the country proud.

The french resistance were classed as terrorists by the Nazis. Would you have supported the Nazis in that era then? If so, wouldn't you be a Nazi?

India is the country where muslims have been getting top most positions like President, top politicians, judges of supreme court etc. if religion is the only criteria of brotherly friendship then india has higher numbers of muslims than Pakistan who may be better brothers to Kashmiries.

That's not true in the slightest. Discrimination is rife against Muslims. One or two token positions as president (a ceremonial role), does not change this. Indian Muslims are 4 times as likely to be unemployed as Hindus, and 6 times as likely to be undereducated as compared with Hindus in India. You have to ask yourself why these two are so?

India and Pakistan are neighbouring countries. They must not fight. Any happening on the border results in loss of lives of those innocent/ honest military personnel of both the sides who leave their dependents helpless back home and get caught of dirty politics.

I doubt they will fight either.

 

[sunny_aus]

Sunny

Well, certainly that's one point of view, environment is important, but as Pervaiz Musharaf, Shah e Mardan, has said, "will" is of primary importance.

Cultural exchanges? are we now different sides of the world or just different planets?

Now if the "Will" to resolve the problem were demonstrated, all manner of exchanges would become possible and visas a thing of the past, a customs agreement even, perhaps?

Obama says that he would seek the COMPREHENSIVE solution of Kashmir as a model for the REGION and again Shah e Mardan, Pervaz Musharraf, Firmandar, as said, the COMPREHENSIVE resolution of problems will attenuate problems the West is experiencing as well.

This is what COMPREHENSIVE means - it is very different that the bits and drips you have suggested as a model. But time will tell which is the more attractive and efficient path.

The day it will become as easy for someone to go to Karachi who is on the tour from Mumbai to Delhi. The day it will become as easy for someone to go to Delhi as who is on a tour from Lahore to Islamabad with an attitude, if I have few more days, why not a visit to Srinagar also. that day it will become very easy for south asians to say what they wanna do in the region

 

[sunny_aus]

The french resistance were classed as terrorists by the Nazis. Would you have supported the Nazis in that era then? If so, wouldn't you be a Nazi?



That's not true in the slightest. Discrimination is rife against Muslims. One or two token positions as president (a ceremonial role), does not change this. Indian Muslims are 4 times as likely to be unemployed as Hindus, and 6 times as likely to be undereducated as compared with Hindus in India. You have to ask yourself why these two are so?


I doubt they will fight either.

There no reservation in jobs on the name of religion in India. Reservation for backward casts in india is because of royal past of Muslims and forward Hindus, who ruled over them. But in the current scenario where literacy rate of muslims is less as compare to other communities, it has been proposed in few states to give reservation on the name of religion for muslims only.

 

[Flintlock]

That's not true in the slightest. Discrimination is rife against Muslims. One or two token positions as president (a ceremonial role), does not change this. Indian Muslims are 4 times as likely to be unemployed as Hindus, and 6 times as likely to be undereducated as compared with Hindus in India. You have to ask yourself why these two are so?

Its a cultural problem with Muslims. You don't have to work too hard to observe that even Pakistan has worse literacy rates than India.

Of course, discrimination also exists in some parts of India, but by and large, it is due to a lack of progressive leaders among Indian muslims.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

The Zionist have executed their anti-islam camping very well.. now every muslim freedom fighter can kiss goodbye because they are coming to HUNT "terrorists"!!
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