Pak. funding Mujahideen in Kashmir is counterproductive: Obama

[IceCold]

If it had been the Muslim, will it be fit for consumption without any additional salt?

Thanks but no thanks. We have seen how words are modified by your media to suit the rouge agenda you are trying to accomplish these days against Pakistan.

 

[roadrunner]

Oh yes, help borthers to kill other brothers. Wow, can you tell me where does Islam teach this ?
Why dont you help your brothers in Balochistan and help them to get their freedom ???

Outsiders don't view the situation like you, they know very well how to differentiate terrorism.

A serious question. Are you pro-Hitler and Nazism? Because it sounds like you would support the Nazis over the French resistance. What would the difference here be? The Kashmiris are fighting off an illegal annexation of their territory like the French resistance fought off the illegal annexation of their territory.

 

[Flintlock]

The article has been taken from the Hindu, and it should be taken with a pinch of salt.

The Hindu is one of the most respected English language newspapers in the world.

 

[roadrunner]

On the Obama comment, perhaps Pak's funding of the Mujahideen has been counter-productive, but there is no other option since India has permanently annexed Kashmir into its constitution. Surely he supports the democratic rights of the Kashmiri for self determination. Should the French have stopped fighting the Nazis, and tried to negotiate against the annexation of their territory? I think not, so there's no reason for the Kashmiris to give up either.

 

[Spring Onion]

The Hindu is one of the most respected English language newspapers in the world.

 

[Vinod2070]

A serious question. Are you pro-Hitler and Nazism? Because it sounds like you would support the Nazis over the French resistance. What would the difference here be? The Kashmiris are fighting off an illegal annexation of their territory like the French resistance fought off the illegal annexation of their territory.

A bit off-topic. I have seen that you are a big time supporter of French resistance. A good thought except most French were enjoying during German occupation. Most were collaborators, their women were sleeping with the German soldiers. They lost too easily and did not fight back sufficiently.

The French are just not a great example when talking of resistance. They are made a joke up in the Western world when one talks of resistance.

 

[Vinod2070]

On the Obama comment, perhaps Pak's funding of the Mujahideen has been counter-productive, but there is no other option since India has permanently annexed Kashmir into its constitution. Surely he supports the democratic rights of the Kashmiri for self determination. Should the French have stopped fighting the Nazis, and tried to negotiate against the annexation of their territory? I think not, so there's no reason for the Kashmiris to give up either.

They pretty much did that!

 

[muse]

Whereas the Vichy govt was dishonoured, The French resistance helped free France and the french resistance had help.

 

[Flintlock]

Irrespective of what your views are on the Kashmir issue, everybody would agree that sending Islamist Extremists to do the dirty work is counterproductive on many levels.

 

[Vinod2070]

Whereas the Vichy govt was dishonoured, The French resistance helped free France and the french resistance had help.

No doubts. It helped but to what extent is the question?

I am not trying to deride the resistance, just that it was not really big enough AFAIK.

The Germans were comfortably ensconced in France till they were thrown out by the invading allies.

The resistance was but pinpricks.

 

[muse]

The really more important question is whether or not India would welcome the opportunity for U.S assistance to address Pakistani security concerns with regard to Indian military presence in occupied kashmir - consider, Obama, says that he seeks to use addressing Pakistani concerns as a model in the REGION and suggests that the nature of the solutions he seeks would be COMPREHENSIVE -- Will Indians seek this as hopeful and cause for optimism?

 

[xea]

Obama needs to well understand the situation of Kashmir before he talks. It is absolutely fine for Pakistan to help their brothers who are being suppressed for long.

Awesome comments...!

 

[GHATAK]

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But we care for our people, if they are misguided- we educate them. Did you listen to the speech of Omar Abdulla in the parliament ? That is the kind of unity we will bring back to Kashmir.

But pakistan misuses its uneducated youth to come to India and get killed at the hands of Indian army. Pak army has to answer for the blood of the people.

Remember- whereever there is deliberate misuse of blood, it has back fired. And now taliban is about the back fire - it did enough damage before the peace deals were stuck.

In pakistan's interest, its good to stop terrorism. Terrorism may produce short-term results, but long term damages are very high.

The US is smart enough, it encouraged terrorism in Afghanistan to drive out the soviets, but it never involved its people. Back then, it misued taliban blood, and now its facing the consequence. It misued the afghan and pakistani blood to its cause.

Its sad that though muslims speak of Ummah, but in reality they are killing each other.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If I start posting videos about the atrocities commited by the Pak military in balochistan, the list will go on.

You will not since the thread is about Kashmir and I have had it with tangential diatribes.

There are several threads for Balochistan though.

Gen mushraf calls kashmir a genocide, but he forgets that if we really wanted to kill millions we would have done in months like pakistan did in East pakistan.

Ditto here - not to mention that the 'millions' number is highly questionable, and some argue impossible for various reasons.

But there is a thread for that - so save it for there.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The really more important question is whether or not India would welcome the opportunity for U.S assistance to address Pakistani security concerns with regard to Indian military presence in occupied kashmir - consider, Obama, says that he seeks to use addressing Pakistani concerns as a model in the REGION and suggests that the nature of the solutions he seeks would be COMPREHENSIVE -- Will Indians seek this as hopeful and cause for optimism?

That is perhaps the most important part of his comments, and for all his rhetoric about 'US action against AQ in FATA', he has come closest to addressing some of the factors that affect and trouble Pakistan, and therefore affect Pakistan's cooperation in the WoT.

Addressing those factors does potentially mean US involvement in the Kashmir dispute.

For all of Bush's rhetoric of Pakistan being a steadfast ally, and the military and economic support his administration has given Pakistan, and stood behind, it has been characterized by a singular lack of understanding of the regional political and strategic complexities.

We have seen no efforts expended upon addressing the source of tension between Afghanistan and Pakistan, nor have we seen any efforts expended upon addressing the tensions between India and Pakistan, which especially keep Pakistan's military (that the US wants so badly deployed in FATA) occupied on the Eastern Front.

If Obama is indeed interested in bringing a new more comprehensive and regional approach to the Afghan conflict, instead of merely increasing troop numbers and aid, then he can criticize "contributing to Kashmiri separatists" all he likes.