PAK-FA Will Be Operational In 2015:

[RAHUL INDIAN]

I know Rahul..and i didnt want to actually.

Just didnt want any new Indian member to start answering him in other ways so I answered him, else he would have confused most people out here.

its good u replied.. and it was perfect one..

 

[satishkumarcsc]

A noob question sir jee...What is VVS..?

Russian air force is called as the VVS.

VVS = Voyenno-vozdushnye sily Rossii

 

[faithfulguy]

Giving wrong information

Anyways-), work on PAKFA started on the 90s actually, so even 24 years from then will be what 2014?. and we are not even talking about 14 years given Russian slow advancement in tech

To be even more precise the project actually started in 1980, when the Russian wanted a Frontline aircraft, two projects were proposed Su-47 berkut and Mig 1.44.

And we all know Su-47 acted as a testbed for PAKFA, like internal weapons bay and the engine work. So it was around the same time US and USSR were testing a 5th Gen plane, now got the picture?

Even if we take the Flight testing time, You are right. but what you are missing here is.
When US was doing it, they were far from the reality that any body will develope a plane like this shortly and they took their own sweet time.

but now Russia wants to field one and they have to live up to the competition..

and it becomes clearly visible how aggresive they are when they made PAKFA fly with a modified engine without wating for the new engine....you will get a even better picture.

T-50 is still a totally new platform. As its widely known, its totally different from what Russia had attempted.

Russia indeed had tried other platforms back in the late 80s early 90s. But these test platforms, as Russia's first attempt, would be equivalent of USA's first attempt at stealth plane. The first US stealth plane flied in the 1970s and it was kept a secret. The detail of that program is still classified. But we know that US have the F-117 by early 1980s.

If you are trying to state that Russian aviation technology is equivalent to the US technology, than everyone would know that you are delutional. Toward the end of USSR, their aviation technology is ovall about 10 years behind that of US. Now, its much further behind.

As of now, there is no legitimate competition between US and Russia. Hence, some people was able to stop production of F-22. In sum, Russia cannot compete with the US now in all aspects of military aviation. And stop call me trolling for stating the obvious.

 

[ejaz007]

RussiaRussian Air Force to get 10 fifth-generation fighters by 2015 (update 1)
18:20 19/07/2010© RIA Novosti. Alexey DrujininRelated News
Russian Defense Ministry to buy 10 fifth-generation fighters in 2013-2015


The Russian Defense Ministry will buy the first 10 fifth-generation fighters between 2013 and 2015 and then another 60 after 2016, a senior military official said on Monday.

Deputy Defense Minister for Arms Procurements Vladimir Popovkin said the first fighters will be purchased in 2013, while in 2015 the Air Force will start test flying them.

He did not explain what will happen between 2013 and 2015.

"We will start purchasing this fighter in series in 2016 and a total of 60 fighters will be bought under the state [arms procurement] program," Popovkin said.

Air Force chief Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said last week the first batch of new fighters would be provided with older, "non-fifth" generation engines.

In mid-June, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin observed the 16th test flight of a prototype fighter.

The prime minister said 30 billion rubles (around $1 billion) had already been spent on the project and another 30 billion would be required to complete it, after which the engine, weaponry and other components would be upgraded.

He said the fighter would have a service life of 30-35 years if modernization and upgrades are factored in, and would be around three times cheaper than its foreign analogs.

Russia's only known fifth-generation project is Sukhoi's PAK FA and the current prototype is the T-50. It is designed to compete with the U.S. F-22 Raptor, so far the world's only fifth-generation fighter, and the F-35 Lightning II.

Russia has been developing its newest fighter since the 1990s. The country's top military officials have said the stealth fighter jet with a range of up to 5,500 km should enter service with the Air Force in 2015.

The PAK FA is to be armed with next-generation air-to-air, air-to-surface, and air-to-ship missiles, and has two 30-mm cannons.

FARNBOROUGH, July 19 (RIA Novosti)


Russian Air Force to get 10 fifth-generation fighters by 2015 (update 1) | Russia | RIA Novosti

 

[your fear]

well we guys should work on MCA project

can any one tel me what is status of the project

 

[satishkumarcsc]

well we guys should work on MCA project

can any one tel me what is status of the project

The GSQR has just reached the ADA....so they have to study it....

 

[karan.1970]

RussiaRussian Air Force to get 10 fifth-generation fighters by 2015 (update 1)
18:20 19/07/2010© RIA Novosti. Alexey DrujininRelated News
Russian Defense Ministry to buy 10 fifth-generation fighters in 2013-2015


The Russian Defense Ministry will buy the first 10 fifth-generation fighters between 2013 and 2015 and then another 60 after 2016, a senior military official said on Monday.

Deputy Defense Minister for Arms Procurements Vladimir Popovkin said the first fighters will be purchased in 2013, while in 2015 the Air Force will start test flying them.

He did not explain what will happen between 2013 and 2015.
"We will start purchasing this fighter in series in 2016 and a total of 60 fighters will be bought under the state [arms procurement] program," Popovkin said.

Air Force chief Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said last week the first batch of new fighters would be provided with older, "non-fifth" generation engines.

In mid-June, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin observed the 16th test flight of a prototype fighter.

The prime minister said 30 billion rubles (around $1 billion) had already been spent on the project and another 30 billion would be required to complete it, after which the engine, weaponry and other components would be upgraded.

He said the fighter would have a service life of 30-35 years if modernization and upgrades are factored in, and would be around three times cheaper than its foreign analogs.

Russia's only known fifth-generation project is Sukhoi's PAK FA and the current prototype is the T-50. It is designed to compete with the U.S. F-22 Raptor, so far the world's only fifth-generation fighter, and the F-35 Lightning II.

Russia has been developing its newest fighter since the 1990s. The country's top military officials have said the stealth fighter jet with a range of up to 5,500 km should enter service with the Air Force in 2015.

The PAK FA is to be armed with next-generation air-to-air, air-to-surface, and air-to-ship missiles, and has two 30-mm cannons.

FARNBOROUGH, July 19 (RIA Novosti)


Russian Air Force to get 10 fifth-generation fighters by 2015 (update 1) | Russia | RIA Novosti

Between 2013 and 2016, may be Russia will deliver a few to India /....

 

[lca mk2]

Between 2013 and 2016, may be Russia will deliver a few to India /....

I think we have to weight till engine not fully developed

 

[!!craft!!]

well we guys should work on MCA project

can any one tel me what is status of the project

In April 2010, the Indian Air Force issued the Air Staff requirements (ASR) for the AMCA which placed the aircraft in the twenty five ton category.thats the latest

 

[Tshering22]

In April 2010, the Indian Air Force issued the Air Staff requirements (ASR) for the AMCA which placed the aircraft in the twenty five ton category.thats the latest

Then I gotta say the work is damn slow . Come on! When do they intend to start building prototypes? According to last def expo, they're supposed to have completed the wind tunnel testing!

So far:

1. There's no information about the radar (Indian or Israeli) and we still haven't made our AESA operational.

2. There's no info on engine.. Kaveri(2?) or using the Russian S117.

3. There's no info on weapon systems other than Astra. What about air to ground munitions, iron bombs, cannons etc?

4. No Lab testing of the fighter

5. Not even a single life-size mockup

6. Performance specs (assumed)

So how the hell are they going to complete it by 2025? I hope IAF is up and about this project lest it falls into the LCA like status. Fortunately we'd have a domestic engine and radar this time (if politicians don't butt in military matters )

 

[Dash]

T-50 is still a totally new platform. As its widely known, its totally different from what Russia had attempted.

Russia indeed had tried other platforms back in the late 80s early 90s. But these test platforms, as Russia's first attempt, would be equivalent of USA's first attempt at stealth plane. The first US stealth plane flied in the 1970s and it was kept a secret. The detail of that program is still classified. But we know that US have the F-117 by early 1980s.

If you are trying to state that Russian aviation technology is equivalent to the US technology, than everyone would know that you are delutional. Toward the end of USSR, their aviation technology is ovall about 10 years behind that of US. Now, its much further behind.

As of now, there is no legitimate competition between US and Russia. Hence, some people was able to stop production of F-22. In sum, Russia cannot compete with the US now in all aspects of military aviation. And stop call me trolling for stating the obvious.

I am sure you are aware of the concept in F117 and the concept used in F-22. and "These" are totally different planes.
I am also sure you are aware that who was teh first one to develope stealth tech and how F-117 was created.

Russia of course is 10 yrs behind US in aviation tech, but that itself doesnt mean that they lack in knowledge. Its the lack of resource and issue with funding. Now you are delusional in saying Russia is 10 years behind in absolute terms. Because they are not. Tell me which has teh most powerful motor for Rockets...They still have a base of knowledge and US cultures more on it and Russia doesnt due to various reasons.

yes of course T-50 is a different platform , but not "completely" different platform.
The Engine is proven, The internal weapons bay is proven, The avionics are there and need upgrade. While giving all the information is here, I am also aware that how diffucult it is to actually integrate everything in a plane and flight test it.

However you are going by your facts and will never agree that they can field it by 2014-15 or say 17.

While I stand here believing in them to deliver it.


and you will still not believe it....once upon a time people like you believed that earth is Flat

And stop call me trolling for stating the obvious

So what do we call someone who just believes that only his facts are obvious.

Dash

 

[flanker143]

Russian nationalist analysts assail JV aerial projects

MOSCOW, Aug. 13 (UPI) -- Russia's defense industry, previously largely off-limits to journalistic scrutiny, has increasingly entered the public debate.

Among the topics under debate is the percentage of foreign components and financing in Russia's previously autonomous weapons and civilian aircraft systems, Vedomosti reported on Thursday.

Two of the top issues under discussion are the Sukhoi PAK FA T-50 fighter, a prototype for the Sukhoi PAK FA fifth generation stealth fighter jet currently being developed by Sukhoi OKB for the Russian Air Force and the Sukhoi Superjet 100 passenger plane. Nationalist critics of the Sukhoi PAK FA T-50 fighter have focused on India's involvement with the project, along with the fact that the Sukhoi Superjet 100 passenger plane will be powered by jet engines designed by a joint venture between Russia's Saturn and a subsidiary of France's Safran.

The Sukhoi PAK FA T-50, designed to directly compete with Lockheed Martin's F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II fighters, upon becoming operational is intended to replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker in Russia's Air Force inventory and furthermore, serve as the test bed the Sukhoi/HAL FGFA project being developed in a joint venture with India. The Sukhoi PAK FA T-50, Russia's first all-new warplane since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union, made its maiden flight in January and has subsequently made 15 additional test flights.

The aircraft is designed to be a major element in future armaments sales by Russia's state-owned Rosobornekhsport program. Sukhoi OKB director Mikhail Pogosian has predicted that Rosobornekhsport 1,000 aircraft over the next four decades. As the Sukhoi PAK FA T-50 is a joint venture with India, the Russian and Indian air forces will be the initial recipients of two hundred fighters apiece, with an additional six hundred being manufactured for export. Initial deployment is planned for 2015. A naval version of the Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA will be eventually deployed on the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and future Russian aircraft carriers, as well as India's former Soviet carrier Admiral Gorshkov, currently undergoing a lengthy refit in Russia's Sevmash shipyard. The Admiral Gorshkov, a modified Kiev-class Soviet aircraft carrier, was purchased in 2004 by India and after refitting will enter the Indian Navy as INS Vikramaditya.

The Sukhoi Superjet 100 passenger plane has a similar high profile in Russia's export plans. Saturn is controlled by Russia's state-controlled Sukhoi and 25 percent owned by Italy's Finmeccanica. Saturn's deputy managing director Yury Basyuk said that Saturn hopes that the Sukhoi Superjet 100, the first passenger plane built by Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union, will achieve 1,000 unit sales in international markets after the plane is certified, perhaps as early as October.

 

[flanker143]

Russian Air Force to buy over 60 fifth-generation fighters

The Russian Air Force will receive more than 60 fifth-generation fighters from 2015-16, according to the force commander
"The Air Force will start taking delivery [of fifth-generation fighters] in 2015-16. The preliminary number is over 60," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.

He also said the first batch of new fighters would be provided with older, "non-fifth" generation engines.

In mid-June Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin observed the 16th test flight of a prototype fighter.

Deputy Defense Minister for Arms Procurement Vladimir Popovkin said the Defense Ministry would purchase the first 6 to 10 aircraft after 2012, based on the outcome of initial tests. He said the fighter will be superior to similar U.S. models.

The prime minister said 30 billion rubles (around $1 billion) had already been spent on the project and another 30 billion would be required to complete it, after which the engine, weaponry and other components would be upgraded.

He said the fighter would have a service life of 30-35 years, if modernization and upgrades are factored in, and would be around three times cheaper than its foreign analogs

Russia's only known fifth-generation project is Sukhoi's PAK FA and the current prototype is the T-50. It is designed to compete with the U.S. F-22 Raptor, so far the world's only fifth-generation fighter, and the F-35 Lightning II.

Russia has been developing its newest fighter since the 1990s. The country's top military officials have said the stealth fighter jet with a range of up to 5,500 km should enter service with the Air Force in 2015.

The PAK FA is to be armed with next-generation air-to-air, air-to-surface, and air-to-ship missiles, and has two 30-mm cannons.