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I gave you all the information , if you use your browsers search feature you can find all the info in my original post
You know how People always say India cant get anything of paper.
Well by that logic The Tejas only existed on Paper by 1991. that's when the design of the plane was finalised.
The project definition did not even happen until 1988 .
In 1983 all they had was the mission of making a 4th generation aircraft with what they had , it took them 7 years to get the point where they could actually even attempt it.
It will be in service next year.
Construction of the aircraft has already commenced.
It is finally happening get used to it
IAF still out numbers and our performs PAF .
you only have some 50 f-16's , maybe one squadron of JF-17.
that exists in all nations , singling out India proves nothing
You already have
commented and that is the reason for my posts.
21 years, i only consider development to have stated from 1988 when they had a project definition
Also the remainder just goes against common sense
Again happen's everywhere.
Can't be helped.
If you actually know anything about the MMRCA contract you will also know that outside the American planes. None of the other planes will even be ready for production until 2013.
SAAN Griphen NG and MIg-35 are still in development
EF and RAF still have yet to incorporate the upgrades.
As of now these aircraft don't meet the IAF requirements.
This delays is only a technicality in the contract wording.
Great are you an analyst with inside sources to confirm all this , or is it just common sense that tells you everything.
we have enough self proclaimed defence pundits
BY that logic the F-16 should be an ancient relic
By the time Pak get's the J-10 it will also be old.
But wait no, that is not the case why is that ?
it is because of continuous upgrades to technology while still in development, part of the delay was creeping requirements.
if you are so confident in your statement point out any obsolescence in the Tejas , and i will gladly respond.
The alst article i agev you was from a Russian source
Again you are making assumptions with out understand or reading the information properly.
This is a 50-50 venture meaning we have as much say in the project as they do. the Russians came to us we did not go to them.
They want us on the project they give us what we want, 25% development of the FGFA not the PAK FA is a very reasonable demand. ( if you actually bothered to read you would know the difference between the PAK-FA and FGFA)
And that is exactly what is being discussed on the negotiations table
true , you make a fair point.
But not every nation has the same resources and money.
India has been under and continues to be subject to the technology denial regimes . We had no picnic our selves.
every high technology venture we have undertaken has resulted in blocks by foreign nations , resulting in delays and development of indigenous alternatives.
DRDO and ISRO had to deliver on very tough order , with limited budgets and systemic bottlenecks
As you mentioned, the entire plan of Tejas started off in 1983. So that makes it 27 years to date,
You know how People always say India cant get anything of paper.
Well by that logic The Tejas only existed on Paper by 1991. that's when the design of the plane was finalised.
The project definition did not even happen until 1988 .
In 1983 all they had was the mission of making a 4th generation aircraft with what they had , it took them 7 years to get the point where they could actually even attempt it.
except that its still not in active service and might take another 2 3 years if its ever to come into service.
It will be in service next year.
Construction of the aircraft has already commenced.
It is finally happening get used to it
I'm simply saying that provided India has such tensions with Pakistan, it cannot afford such colossal delays in its defense procurement.
IAF still out numbers and our performs PAF .
you only have some 50 f-16's , maybe one squadron of JF-17.
I mean why overshadow your government's incompetence and corruption in all defense deals that your country makes.
that exists in all nations , singling out India proves nothing
I wouldnt like to comment much about the Tejas since you people have your own opinion in regards to that.
You already have
commented and that is the reason for my posts.
However, the plane's development has been going for 27 years, A huge waste of time and investment.
21 years, i only consider development to have stated from 1988 when they had a project definition
Also the remainder just goes against common sense
I believe its in the larger interests of the corrupt Indian government officials to keep that project rolling for another few years so they can mint money off of it. Same goes for the rest of your Defence project i assume.
Again happen's everywhere.
Can't be helped.
Now i heard a few days ago that MCRA deal has been delayed as well. I mean come on man no matter how large the contract, it is not suppose to take 7 years in just evaluating an aircraft.
If you actually know anything about the MMRCA contract you will also know that outside the American planes. None of the other planes will even be ready for production until 2013.
SAAN Griphen NG and MIg-35 are still in development
EF and RAF still have yet to incorporate the upgrades.
As of now these aircraft don't meet the IAF requirements.
This delays is only a technicality in the contract wording.
Unfortunately the Indian public buys the series of propogandas laid forth by their government to address their concerns towards every delay.
Great are you an analyst with inside sources to confirm all this , or is it just common sense that tells you everything.
we have enough self proclaimed defence pundits
By the time you guys induct anything, its already decades old.
BY that logic the F-16 should be an ancient relic
By the time Pak get's the J-10 it will also be old.
But wait no, that is not the case why is that ?
it is because of continuous upgrades to technology while still in development, part of the delay was creeping requirements.
if you are so confident in your statement point out any obsolescence in the Tejas , and i will gladly respond.
Now coming back to the PAK-fa, Funny how all the links provided above are INDIAN based. Please provide credible sources from a Russian site stating what in what way India has contributed towards PAK-FA.
The alst article i agev you was from a Russian source
In regards to the article, ofcourse india 'WANTS' a 25 % share. I ve read almost all the international sources and to my surprise none of them mentions how India is going to be putting their energies in the project except that the want a 25% share in development and would possible get the jet when developed. Which to me is not surprising at all since IND-RUS defense relations go back a long way.
Again you are making assumptions with out understand or reading the information properly.
This is a 50-50 venture meaning we have as much say in the project as they do. the Russians came to us we did not go to them.
They want us on the project they give us what we want, 25% development of the FGFA not the PAK FA is a very reasonable demand. ( if you actually bothered to read you would know the difference between the PAK-FA and FGFA)
And that is exactly what is being discussed on the negotiations table
coming to my original point which was that India cannot do better than Russia in Aviation. Well I thank some of the Indian members here who are not dilusional and tend to share the same thoughts. I agree fully that India has immense potential but then again every nation has the 'potential' provided they are not slashed by severe sanctions.
true , you make a fair point.
But not every nation has the same resources and money.
Lastly, India always had more access to technology even after it conducted its nuclear test in 1974 compared to Pakistan which was imposed on with embargoes starting 1989.
India has been under and continues to be subject to the technology denial regimes . We had no picnic our selves.
every high technology venture we have undertaken has resulted in blocks by foreign nations , resulting in delays and development of indigenous alternatives.
DRDO and ISRO had to deliver on very tough order , with limited budgets and systemic bottlenecks