Pak Army wants to accept Israel - and fix resistive Imran Khan

[MultaniGuy]

The whole west is on a bund marwao mode (LGBTQ)...should pakistan join them too? What a stupid comment


Israel will never be stupid enough

But this is not about LGBT, this is about recognition of Israel. I SAID FIRST IMPLEMENT TWO STATE SOLUTION FIRST.

LGBT AND RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL ARE COMPLETELY TWO DIFFERENT TOPICS.

 

[Trango Towers]

But this is not about LGBT, this is about recognition of Israel. I SAID FIRST IMPLEMENT TWO STATE SOLUTION FIRST.

LGBT AND RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL ARE COMPLETELY TWO DIFFERENT TOPICS.

You miss understood.

Point is we don't have to follow the crowd. Arabs are stupid and easily manipulated. UAE signed a deal with Israel all ho ha about f35 and then got told f you.

Never follow anyone let alone an Arab

 

[MultaniGuy]

You miss understood.

Point is we don't have to follow the crowd. Arabs are stupid and easily manipulated. UAE signed a deal with Israel all ho ha about f35 and then got told f you.

Never follow anyone let alone an Arab

But Saudi Arabia is not like other Arab countries. Saudi Arabia is like Pakistan and China by having an independent foreign policy.

Egypt and Jordan are the traitors of the Palestinian cause.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Look down into Pakistan's problems from a height of 50 thousand feet and try to answer the question: Why is all this happening? Imran Khan has been shot, and the Army is desperate to keep him out, opposing him vehemently and refusing to dismiss army personnels involved in criminal acts against him.

A simple answer is that because Bajwa is corrupt, he is acting for personal gain; yet, if this is the case, why is the military standing by him? There is undoubtedly more to the matter than Bajwa's corruption.

Another possible explanation: Pakistan wants to maintain a channel of profit with the US and earn benefits by extending military assistance in Afghanistan. Imran Khan does not desire active military activities, but a great deal of flexibility will be available to ensure security. That reason is insufficient to explain the intensity by which Pakistan Army is opposing Imran Khan.

This can possibly answer why
This is a matter that occasionally comes up to test public mood, and it is an issue that can make Bajwa and the top brass of the armed forces bend backwards and get a few flakes, and this is something Pakistan army cannot pull off alone: accepting state of Israel. This may not be Army's desire alone, but this is also a wish of powerful countries like as Saudi Arabia to which Pakistan is closely associated. Saudi Arabia is waiting for Pakistan to embrace Israel in order to join the club and avoid criticism and hostility from Muslims all over the world.

Note another thing: Pakistan army has gained control over the religious voice in Pakistan through Tehreek-e-Labaik. They are the group of religious fundamentalists who could potentially resist such a decision but they have been tamed in time, even before Imran Khan was ousted in April 2022.

There won't be any resistance from Jamae-e-Islami, JUIF, PMLN and PPPP as all parties are married to their personal interests. They have not and will not stand for Pakistan.

Watch this video:

Why is accepting Israel a repeated topic in this forum?
The topic surfaces every now and then. Try using defense.pk search and amaize yourself. Here are a few threads that are opened in the recent months. I have listed a few onlyl:

• Pakistani delegation visits Israel - May 11, 2022
• Thanks to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan's recognition of Israel is now inevitable - Jun 9, 2022
• Imported Government is going to recognise Israel against Pakistani people wishes - Jul 21, 2022
• Recognizing Israel, here is what we should do. - Sep 14, 2022

Conclusion
If Pakistan accepts Israel, that will significantly reduce military's challenges in defending Pakistan, but that will also increase financial and personal perks for people who're making decisions. Some child-minded PDF members believe that accepting Israel will decouple them from India as currently they find India and Israel stand together against Pakistan.

I have connected a few dots as I saw fit and that logically explain why army is pushing such a massive operation against PTI and specifically against Imran Khan. Your opinion is welcome. I also expect ridicule and opposition from the PDF members for understandable reasons.


Nov, 2022

Reminds of the stories Pakistani mothers tell to their children about why their Pupoo is a pure evil.

 

[Abid123]

Fleets would get detected by Ofek satellites, sunk by stealthy F-35s and our 6 Dolphin submarines.

Well I agree that Israel would very easily annihilate any French carrier group, but using your logic not even USN stands a chance against Israel.

By your logic USN carrier groups would be detected by Ofek Satelittes, sunk by stealthy F-35s and your 6 dolphin submarines.

 

[Menace2Society]

Adam/Eve were muslims/followed Islam. Not jewish or Israelites

I don't really want to get in this debate but Islam did not exist then.

Judaism is the first organised monotheist faith.

 

[Battlion25]

Again a pathetic false assumption We fool those fools hundreds of times already.


Not end those countries? Damn you're delusional.

Again wishful thinking, Jews around the world will not be affected, Jews here would celebrate while our enemies die of radiated sandstorms

It is extremely LOW IQ the fact that this Banny Karachun thinks that Israel is an independent state that is surviving by itself all together? Do you take us for fools or something?

Let me put it short for you.. I am well versed in conventional warfare, weaponry and technology. I can tell you this with certainity that Israel can't roll over Hezbollah and Hamas in two front wars forget about state actors you can't rollover this two non-state actors..

They have the necessary conventional tools to stop your army in it's tracks conventionally but lack the air superiority and they don't have an answer for Israelis air superiority currently other then using highly complex tunnels which has negated Israel's air superiority to some extend but with time if they were to find the solution like state actors then they would gain the upper hand.

Israel doesn't have stragetic dept and is tiny all it takes is one incursion and honestly not a chellenge. Israel's main factor has always been the US. It's an American outpost and itself doesn't hold a candy to anyone.

Arabs have ruled over these lands for centuries including in Europe and could be back in power before you know as you may know the hegemony power comes in cycle and arabs could be back in world domination if one or two things go right for them again like it did it previously.

If the Israelis or Jews were smart they wouldn't have been homeless for 2000 years like the gypies. They were brought in only as an outpost by the former crusaders for their own benefits. They just happen to be at the right place at the right time

 

[Baburfromsarmarkand]

It is extremely LOW IQ the fact that this Banny Karachun thinks that Israel is an independent state that is surviving by itself all together? Do you take us for fools or something?

Let me put it short for you.. I am well versed in conventional warfare, weaponry and technology. I can tell you this with certainity that Israel can't roll over Hezbollah and Hamas in two front wars forget about state actors you can't rollover this two non-state actors..

They have the necessary conventional tools to stop your army in it's tracks conventionally but lack the air superiority and they don't have an answer for Israelis air superiority currently other then using highly complex tunnels which has negated Israel's air superiority to some extend but with time if they were to find the solution like state actors then they would gain the upper hand.

Israel doesn't have stragetic dept and is tiny all it takes is one incursion and honestly not a chellenge. Israel's main factor has always been the US. It's an American outpost and itself doesn't hold a candy to anyone.

Arabs have ruled over these lands for centuries including in Europe and could be back in power before you know as you may know the hegemony power comes in cycle and arabs could be back in world domination if one or two things go right for them again like it did it previously.

If the Israelis or Jews were smart they wouldn't have been homeless for 2000 years like the gypies. They were brought in only as an outpost by the former crusaders for their own benefits. They just happen to be at the right place at the right time

They rose to the top of the US, like they loaned money to the British int he napoleonic wars. They are smart and survivors. While we beg for money from nations, maybe we should also be smart and insall our puppets in their govts.

 

[Trango Towers]

I don't really want to get in this debate but Islam did not exist then.

Judaism is the first organised monotheist faith.

And Jews were the 1st to tun on God even when their prophet moses was alive. Read and educate yourself before commenting if you don't want to debate

 

[Beny Karachun]

Well I agree that Israel would very easily annihilate any French carrier group, but using your logic not even USN stands a chance against Israel.

By your logic USN carrier groups would be detected by Ofek Satelittes, sunk by stealthy F-35s and your 6 dolphin submarines.

US has far more assets to defend their CSG, assets that might be able to detect the F-35s, if not to shut them down all together. The F-35s on those carriers would cause significantly more threat than any Rafale ever will, however I believe the US needs more than one or two CSGs to come to even grounds with Israel.

 

[Conqueror]

Hamid Mir and Naseem Zehra are far from being a PTI supporter. They're revealing how Gen Bajwa was forcing Imran Khan to recognize Israel and let go Kashmir.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1610005607901274114

 

[Trango Towers]

But this is not about LGBT, this is about recognition of Israel. I SAID FIRST IMPLEMENT TWO STATE SOLUTION FIRST.

LGBT AND RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL ARE COMPLETELY TWO DIFFERENT TOPICS.

Two state solution is the only way forward. There is agree with u 100%. But the fascists in Israel will never agree

 

[MultaniGuy]

Two state solution is the only way forward. There is agree with u 100%. But the fascists in Israel will never agree

Then make a case at the United Nations, Organization of Islamic Cooperation, International Court of Justice.

OIC countries should recognize Israel 100%, (1) if two state solution is implemented and make (2) Jerusalem an international city.

And (3) Golan Heights is given back to Syria.

 

[Conqueror]

Watch Sabir Sakir reveal how Gen. Bajwa has consistently insisted on accepting Israel since he held the chair of COAS. This cannot be his personal agenda. The Pakistani armed forces should be held accountable for running an agenda of their own against the policies of the state.

Listen to the emphasis on which Bajwa used to insist in every meeting and every interaction with journalists, as if he were a representative of the state of Israel in Pakistan.

Watch 1:30 onwards.

 

[HAIDER]

My understanding is Jundullah might have been purely Saudi/ American project.

Jundullah is not specifically Anti Iran. I remember that Jundullah moonlights as a Sunni militant organization fighting for Sunni rights inside Iran though attacking public and state targets and in Pakistan it fights under a Baloch Nationalistic flag under the banner of BLA, BRA etc much like sipah Sahabah and Lashkar Jhangvi have operated simultaneously as Shia specific terror organizations as well as part of Tehrik Taliban Pakistan as anti everything Pakistan.
but then again ISI has in the past *or maybe present) supported Sipah Sahaba and Lej leader Malik Ishaq was flown in to GHQ to negotiate with TTP terrorists on behalf of Pakistan army. General Kyani during his service in ISI supported Sipah Sahabh despite its links with TTP he also admired Malik Ishaq who our Patwari Prime minister eliminated in a police encounter bringing an end to that mass murderer of 100s of people including both public and government officials.



do it already for all its worth before Israel refuses to accept our "recognition".

Sir .. a report published during the Musharraf era, Mossad agents under CIA cover were training Janddullah,

Haaretz

'Israeli Mossad Agents Posed as CIA Spies to Recruit Terrorists to Fight Against Iran'​

Foreign Policy magazine cites CIA memos from 2007-2008 that the Mossad recruited members of Jundallah terror group to fight against Tehran; U.S. was reportedly furious with Israel and moved to limit joint intelligence programs.