Pak army moving closer to inducting predator drones'

[Time Assassin]

Do you think once we have drones, the US drones will leave?

 

[True_Pakistan_Zindabad]

Do you think once we have drones, the US drones will leave?

Since ours are unarmed, their drones will stop loitering above our airspace as we will be responsible for intelligence gathering, and soon AC-130 gunships (Spooky) will take off in Kabul, launch ordnance and land again within 5 minutes. The government will tell people a big victory has happened but we will still be bombed by America till they leave Afgh.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

i guess you have forgotten FALCO....

Talk some sense, we may produce lots of types of UAVs like Uqab,flamingo,BAAZ,humma,Falco etc

But they cant be compaired to a 10 million$ predator.

For UCAV /MALE my bet is on BURRAQ by NESCOM.

 

[JK!]

why should we take UN-ARMED predator drones for the cost of our people? Are we that selfish and greedy that we are willing to sell the blood of our countrymen for a few UN-ARMED predator drones?

BTW, these UN-ARMED predator drones which are UAV's, not UCAV's!

Why not?

Afterall you're buying lots of US products notably the F16C/D.

If you feel this strongly against US military products cancel the orders for every item in the pipeline

 

[Donatello]

Why not?

Afterall you're buying lots of US products notably the F16C/D.

If you feel this strongly against US military products cancel the orders for every item in the pipeline

Please mention these "LOTS of" US products......i think there are only handful....
Pakistan is no longer interested in American Hardware,

PAF ordered just 18 more f-16s and with some 14 older ones, they want to take the total f-16 strength to 60 jets, in line maintaining the ratio to IAF's rising MIG 29 and SU 30.

We orded 111 f-16s in 1980s and we certainly could have bought them. But no more.


If you haven't noticed, we have been shifting our entire defense needs to China.....let me make it more clear for you:-

Ballistic Missiles (M-11 series) for Army from China.
Nuclear reactors from China.
Air to Air Missiles from China.
Naval F-22p frigates from China.
New submarines and more frigates....already the Admiral said it's going to be China.
JF-17 purely China.
J-10B from China.
C-802/805 Anti-ship missiles, of course from China.
YLC radar systems, from China.
Type-85II tanks, Al-Khalid tanks, NORINCO MBRLs all from China.
Small ammunition, majority from China.
New AWACs, from China.



So the point is, already our backbone is Chinese made/collaborated.

Pakistan is only buying spare parts or slightly purchasing new weapons because they are not available in China and hence must be bought to maintain minimum deterrence.
Examples, MLUs for F-16s, P3-C orion upgrades, C-130 upgrades and some new Artillery.

Apart from that, Brazil is stepping in with MAR-1 and South African Denel.


So...........Americans can neither be trusted nor relied upon, which is what is going on.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Please mention these "LOTS of" US products......i think there are only handful....
Pakistan is no longer interested in American Hardware,

PAF ordered just 18 more f-16s and with some 14 older ones, they want to take the total f-16 strength to 60 jets, in line maintaining the ratio to IAF's rising MIG 29 and SU 30.

We orded 111 f-16s in 1980s and we certainly could have bought them. But no more.


If you haven't noticed, we have been shifting our entire defense needs to China.....let me make it more clear for you:-

Ballistic Missiles (M-11 series) for Army from China.
Nuclear reactors from China.
Air to Air Missiles from China.
Naval F-22p frigates from China.
New submarines and more frigates....already the Admiral said it's going to be China.
JF-17 purely China.
J-10B from China.
C-802/805 Anti-ship missiles, of course from China.
YLC radar systems, from China.
Type-85II tanks, Al-Khalid tanks, NORINCO MBRLs all from China.
Small ammunition, majority from China.New AWACs, from China.



So the point is, already our backbone is Chinese made/collaborated.

Pakistan is only buying spare parts or slightly purchasing new weapons because they are not available in China and hence must be bought to maintain minimum deterrence.
Examples, MLUs for F-16s, P3-C orion upgrades, C-130 upgrades and some new Artillery.

Apart from that, Brazil is stepping in with MAR-1 and South African Denel.


So...........Americans can neither be trusted nor relied upon, which is what is going on.

ROFL

PAF just ordered 18 more new F-16 blk 52s,now our fleet of F-16s = 45,18,18,14 and may even be more 90s embargoed F-16s.(highlighted are new blk 52s rest will be MLUed)....

All a/b getting MLU PAF wants more then 100 F-16s with BLK 52standards and is even considering to buy Refueller tankers frm US for F-16s.
2)FC-20 will use western avionics and weapons.
3)JF-17 is a JV which is getting indigenous avionics as well as looking for western /french ones.
4)Al-Khalid is BASED ON Type-90 and has nothing chinese and is built by HIT.
5)We r getting US OPH frigs?


6)For small arms and ammo we have POF WAHH?>>???

7)Submarine deal is not yet clear we might end up buying 3 or 4 french/german an rest maybe frm china with MESMA again french and upgrades etc.
8)Many US made laser guided missiles as well as other avraam etc from US.
9)All F-16 stuff frm USA?
10) Just bought more then 115 M1A5 US made SP howitzers?
And list goes on.

 

[Desert Fox]

Why not?

Afterall you're buying lots of US products notably the F16C/D.

If you feel this strongly against US military products cancel the orders for every item in the pipeline

We're not getting these weapons for free, there are conditions attached to these weapons such as the "no use against india" with the f-16's and god knows what other condition!

These drones aren't even armed so their no different from the Falcos we operate!

 

[chauism]

They can always go for these.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-defence/37863-chinas-predator-drones.html

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Chauism we are already developing a predator equal BURRAT an armed UCAV.
Thanks

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Drones are easy to make, just large R/C planes. The main thing is the sensors and weapons, which i am sure PAF and Air Weapons Complex can help us with.

ammm no.. UAVs are more then just RC toy packed with bombs and sensors. other wise RC clubs would be coming up with millions of drones like that in their garages.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

They would be an excellent asset for reconnaisance.
A bigger sophisticated UAV means more fuel carried for loiter time and more high tech "kit" carried for recce work.

We lack the satellite network to support over-the-horizon recce by UAV. The bigger range will still remain unexploited. As it is, our current UAVs can loiter up to 9-10 hours, and carry significant payloads.

 

[razgriz19]

We're not getting these weapons for free, there are conditions attached to these weapons such as the "no use against india" with the f-16's and god knows what other condition!

These drones aren't even armed so their no different from the Falcos we operate!

there is no such condition, PAF can use these f-16s for watever purpose they want! and US knows this very well!!

falcos r small and doesn't have endurance compared to predators....
but however i agree with u, "a bird without weapons is another airliner"

PAF shouldn't go for it! unless....

 

[Super Falcon]

well if those predators would be un armed better not to buy them ad go with france or italy for co production of armed UAV

 

[faisaljaffery]

PA has already inducted falco uav for ground surviliance. however it is not capable of striking the targets like us pradator drone

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

Avenger Enters Stealth Mode
by James Dunnigan
August 5, 2010
It was only last year that the American jet powered "Predator C" UAV took its first flight. Now the U.S. Navy is checking it out as an electronic warfare aircraft, to complement the existing EA-6B and EA-18G aircraft in particularly dangerous missions. To that end, the Avenger manufacturer just revealed that it has a new, stealthy, version of the Avenger, that would be even more effective as a EA-18G substitute. The stealthy Avenger, which uses a radar absorbing material on its exterior, would also be more effective in heavily defended airspace in general.
Not to be confused with the MQ-1C Sky Warrior, the Predator C "Avenger" is a project that was started before Sky Warrior, and has taken much longer to get off the ground. It's design is based on that of the 4.7 ton Reaper UAV. The first flight of the Avenger was supposed to have been three years ago, but there were technical problems that kept coming up. Apparently it was worth the wait, as the U.S. Navy, Britain and Italy are all anxious to get a closer look at Avenger, and see how they can work it into their UAV plans.

The Predator C is 14.2 meters/44 feet long, and originally designed to be stealthy. The V shaped tail and smooth lines of the swept wing aircraft will make it difficult to detect by radar. There is a humpbacked structure on top of the aircraft, for the engine air intake. Cruise speed is about 700 kilometers an hour, and because of its jet propulsion, top speed is probably one or two hundred kilometers an hour greater. The internal bomb bay to hold 1.38 tons of weapons, or additional fuel to provide another two hours of flying time (in addition to the standard 20 hours endurance). Another 1.38 tons of bombs or fuel can be hung under the wings. The jet engine is designed to minimize the heat signature that enemy sensors can pick up.

All this should be no surprise. The Avenger manufacturer, General Atomics, has a division devoted to building stealth features into aircraft. This includes the world's largest indoor radar cross section testing facility. Despite the bomb bay, the Predator C is expected to be used primarily to carry a ground surveillance radar, which could be mounted on the bottom of the aircraft in an aerodynamically smooth enclosure.

The U.S. Navy has been interested in Predator C since the beginning of development. Thus the Predator C wings can be built to fold, for use on carriers, and have a tail hook, needed for carrier landings. The Predator C, unlike the larger Global Hawk, could operate from carriers. The Predator C uses landing gear from the F-5, an aircraft of the same weight class.

The Reaper (Predator B) costs about seven million dollars each, and the Predator C is expected to weigh, and cost twice as much. But that will still be about half the cost of a 13 ton Global Hawk. Thus the Predator C is expected to deliver about 85 percent of the performance of the Global Hawk, at about half the price. The Predator C is designed to fly high (up to 15,250 meters/50,000 feet) and cross oceans. Until last year, Predator C didn't, officially, exist, and was a "black" (secret) program.

Most of the cost of these "strategic UAVs" is in the space satellite grade sensors. The MQ-4 Global Hawk, with minimal electronics, costs about $40 million. But you can easily add over $60 million worth of satellite grade gear to either a $15 million Predator C, or a $40 million Global Hawk. Thus Global Atomics is trying to come up with a lot of improved features (more reliable, easier to maintain, cheaper to run) for their Global Hawk competitor.

Avenger has other missions as well, one of them being shooting down ballistic missiles during the boost phase (initial launch, as it rockets straight up). The small, stealthy Avenger could prowl an area where the missile launchers are, then detect the heat of the take off, and launch a missile from its bomb bay, that would take the missile down.
The navy, and several air forces, are also looking at the Avenger as an ELINT (electronic intelligence) aircraft. The ability to carry a ton of sensors, and stay in the air for twenty hours per sortie, has a lot of appeal for an aircraft that is already stealthy, and doesn't carry a pilot. Moreover, the Avenger can perform ELINT missions entirely autonomously, making it more difficult to detect. General Atomics believes it can get the Predator C to operate (takeoff and land) from a carrier, before any of the other contenders (mainly the 19 ton X-47). The Predator C weighs less than half as much, and has an exemplary track record.

Britain and Italy are particularly keen on getting the Avenger because both these nations already operate Predators or Reapers, which use the same control gear as the Avenger. That, plus both nations are satisfied with General Atomics, and are confident in any new UAVs from the firm. Predator will undergo at least another three years of testing and development before it ready for service.


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They say the F22 has the radar image about what the size of a ball bearing would have, I would think these drones would pretty well be invisible to radar.

Does Pakistan have satellites that can handle drones or they going to route their instructions thru american satellites. If Pakistan uses american satellites I doubt if they are going to have the final say on control.