Pak Army moves heavy artillery at border to ‘shock’ Afghanistan

[Verve]

To some extent, India convinced US and NATO not to leave else they would have been long gone. India investment is doomed in Afghanistan. Their economy will be broken for meddling in Afghanistan just like U.S.S.R. India will be divided soon In Sha Allah!

Indian economy will be more hurt by their stupid policies than their sponsorship of proxies.

India will move from Russian arms to American and that'll take some years. That'll be our breathing space to focus on our economy and make full use of CPEC.

And without stability in Afghanistan, there will be no stable CPEC and the kick-start it's meant to be will be delayed as well. And China is not in the mood to wait.

Afghan problem will be sorted, sooner rather than later. Inshallah.

 

[haviZsultan]

Yes, but that's diplomatic gameplay first and Pak civilian gov is pethatic at it. Waiting for China and Russia to open that diplomatic front, and announce full support of Pak airstrikes in Afghanistan.

Until then we should keep them hush if we are doing them.

I think we must ask for China's backing and present the proofs we have before them. They are also worried about East Turkistan movement and its cadres in Afghanistan. Then we should covertly attack Afghanistan and all the bastions of the TTP within. America will not support us. China and Turkey may be our only allies. Turkey will understand too as it has gone to Iraq in pursuit of Kurdish terrorists. If we play our cards right and build diplomatic alliances action against Afghanistan could be possible. But we have to be smart about it and infiltrate the taliban completely, this has to be done so that we have precise intel on where to strike.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

Yes, but that's diplomatic gameplay first and Pak civilian gov is pethatic at it. Waiting for China and Russia to open that diplomatic front, and announce full support of Pak airstrikes in Afghanistan.

Until then we should keep them hush if we are doing them.

They'll only support us openly, when we do more and more strikes. For now, US and NATO haven't said a word. When they'll try to intervene, Russia and China will neutralize that pressure. Pakistan should carry out more strikes hence Russia would speak openly and offer assistance and that's when we accept it and start working jointly. Of course China will be the first to offer us economical as well as collateral support. Russia would like boots on the ground in Afghanistan.

 

[Verve]

Good question, the more aggressive stance we take on Afghanistan (strikes) the sooner they'll come in to play. Remember Russia has conducted dialogue with Afghan talibans due to which US and NATO were shitting their pants? Do you think it was possible for Russia to do it without Pakistan's (ISI) involvement?

Nothing of this type of strategic planning happens without ISI, surely.

Formula is simple, as far as I understand. Pak-Russia-China go after ISIS, TTP, BLA (NATO proxies), and Afghan Talibans deal with those in Kabul. Plus no more Afghan Talibans of the past, gone are days of stupid laws. Progressive Talibans or even they go. I think Talibans would be willing to change.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

Nothing of this type of strategic planning happens without ISI, surely.

Formula is simple, as far as I understand. Pak-Russia-China go after ISIS, TTP, BLA (NATO proxies), and Afghan Talibans deal with those in Kabul. Plus no more Afghan Talibans of the past, gone are days of stupid laws. Progressive Talibans or even they go. I think Talibans would be willing to change.

The actual Talibans that brought U.S.S.R down had never changed except for a few that were more close to US than to ISI. We need these Afghan talibans to make Afghanistan our satellite state. These Talibans along with many indigenous Afghan tribes are responsible for the resistance US and NATO face or any invader faces. Russia knows it so it has come to terms with Pakistan on Afghanistan. Once US and NATO is expelled from Afghanistan, Asia will be a safe heaven.

 

[Verve]

They'll only support us openly, when we do more and more strikes. For now, US and NATO haven't said a word. When they'll try to intervene, Russia and China will neutralize that pressure. Pakistan should carry out more strikes hence Russia would speak openly and offer assistance and that's when we accept it and start working jointly. Of course China will be the first to offer us economical as well as collateral support. Russia would like boots on the ground in Afghanistan.

I think a joint statement of air strikes would be better.

Do we want a diplomatic issue if any of our jets are shot by NATO!? If opting for air strikes, then go with drones until Russia and China are on board openly.

The actual Talibans that brought U.S.S.R down had never changed except for a few that were more close to US than to ISI. We need these Afghan talibans to make Afghanistan our satellite state. These Talibans along with many indigenous Afghan tribes are responsible for the resistance US and NATO face or any invader faces. Russia knows it so it has come to terms with Pakistan on Afghanistan. Once US and NATO is expelled from Afghanistan, Asia will be a safe heaven.

Afghan formula has been written, I think. Money from China for development, constitution written by all parties and Talibans to rule with other minorities. Everyone puts their arms down, demilitarised Afghanistan thats protected by all parties and neighbours Inc Iran.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

I think a joint statement of air strikes would be better.

Do we want a diplomatic issue if any of our jets are shot by NATO!? If opting for air strikes, then go with drones until Russia and China are on board openly.

If we're striking terrorist hideouts in Afghanistan and US/NATO shoots P.A.F. jet down then it would be a humiliating situation for them. The reason is whole world would know P.A.F was after terrorists hideouts. If US/NATO intervenes it would mean they're supporting terrorist which they won't want the world to know in open.
You'll better understand if I quote you example from Syria. Russia supports Syrian government. Behind the scenes, the rebels (ISIS and Daesh) are supported by US to topple Syrian government. Russia carry out air strikes to destroy US/NATO allies ISIS/Daesh. Has US/NATO shot any jets down? No. The reason? They can't let the whole world see in open that they are supporting the terrorists. Now you understand why ISIS and Daesh is in Afghanistan?

 

[Dark-Silence]

What you're suggesting is impossible as long as India is in Afghanistan and we've this puppet regime. We need to destroy the training camps. It's just the start, we destroyed the ones along the border. We'll go deeper and deeper to attain best results.

Dear why this regime is puppet of india, why not pakistans... simple we are not paying enough money as india is paying. afghans arfor sale... pay them and use them... you will use or india will... their concern is money .

 

[Verve]

Biggest issue in Afghanistan is the arms availability. Talibans were close to establishing writ of state when they were removed. Now the country is flooded with arms again.

If we're striking terrorist hideouts in Afghanistan and US/NATO shots P.A.F. jet down then it would be a humiliating situation for them. The reason is whole world would know P.A.F was after terrorists hideouts. If US/NATO intervenes it would mean they're supporting terrorist which they won't want the world to know in open.
You'll better understand if I quote you example from Syria. Russia supports Syrian government. Behind the scenes, the rebels (ISIS and Daesh) are supported by US to topple Syrian government. Russia carry out air strikes to destroy US/NATO allies ISIS/Daesh. Has US/NATO shot any jets down? No. The reason? They can't let the whole world see in open that they are supporting the terrorists. Now you understand why ISIS and Daesh is in Afghanistan?

US didn't shoot any Russian planes but Turkey did! US only cried but used Turkey.

Why take risk with the world. Once China and Russia openly support then NATO will not dare take any such actions, even by error. Forgot Salala?

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

Dear why this regime is puppet of india, why not pakistans... simple we are not paying enough money as india is paying. afghans arfor sale... pay them and use them... you will use or india will... their concern is money .

I agree but the government has not the major fraction which is acting as puppet. More than 90% of Afghanistan is under control of pro Pakistan Afghan leaders. Had it been the other way round, there would have been 100 suicidal attacks in Pakistan a day. You can't imagine how things would have looked like. Majority of Afghan Talibans are pro Pakistan. We never had enough funding to use them against India in Kashmir and inside India as well. Otherwise 100 attacks/day would have been achieved easily. India would have been destroyed and divided.

Biggest issue in Afghanistan is the arms availability. Talibans were close to establishing writ of state when they were removed. Now the country is flooded with arms again.



US didn't shoot any Russian planes but Turkey did! US only cried but used Turkey.

Why take risk with the world. Once China and Russia openly support then NATO will not dare take any such actions, even by error. Forgot Salala?

What Turkey did wasn't approved by their government. It was done due to a US sold out Turkish general. Remember what was followed? Military coup. So that was entirely a different case. US/NATO can't mess with P.A.F considering the global situation.

 

[Verve]

I agree but the government has not the major fraction which is acting as puppet. More than 90% of Afghanistan is under control of pro Pakistan Afghan leaders. Had it been the other way round, there would have been 100 suicidal attacks in Pakistan a day. You can't imagine how things would have looked like. Majority of Afghan Talibans are pro Pakistan. We never had enough funding to use them against India in Kashmir and inside India as well. Otherwise 100 attacks/day would have been achieved easily. India would have been destroyed and divided.

Afghan Taliban need not worry about funding now. China has deeper pockets than Indians.

And this latest wave, I think, is due to the support Taliban are getting. NATO and India want us to do something irrational and diplomatically stupid (NS and Co - what's expected when their stooge Dar is openly talking of invasion).

What Turkey did wasn't approved by their government. It was done due to a US sold out Turkish general. Remember what was followed? Military coup. So that was entirely a different case. US/NATO can't mess with P.A.F considering the global situation.

Yes, used but Turkey 'was' NATO.. and there was a huge diplomatic row.

We must wait for China Russia announcement before sending pilots in. Send drones now by all means, if we have assurances from China Russia that announcement will follow.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

Afghan Taliban need not worry about funding now. China has deeper pockets than Indians.

And this latest wave, I think, is due to the support Taliban are getting. NATO and India want us to do something irrational and diplomatically stupid (NS and Co - what's expected when their stooge Dar is openly talking of invasion).



Yes, used but Turkey 'was' NATO.. and there was a huge diplomatic row.

We must wait for China Russia announcement before sending pilots in. Send drones now by all means, if we have assurances from China Russia that announcement will follow.

Our government is hopeless. They can't do anything. Now pertaining to global affairs, its more like, China and Pakistan Army are working together. The NS & Co. is BS. So far things are looking great for Pakistan. Russia and China will take care of US and NATO in Afghanistan.

 

[Verve]

Our government is hopeless. They can't do anything. Now pertaining to global affairs, its more like, China and Pakistan Army are working together. The NS & Co. is BS. So far things are looking great for Pakistan. Russia and China will take care of US and NATO in Afghanistan.

But our government is our voice. If we have sellout traitors who speak and act on the behest of our enemies then Pak Army have to take that in to account and counter that as well accordingly.

For example, what is the purpose of Ishaq Dar (an economic terrorist aka finance minister) talking of invasion!?

Voices from ruling elite that create diplomatic problems should be muted.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

But our government is our voice. If we have sellout traitors who speak and act on the behest of our enemies then Pak Army have to take that in to account and counter that as well accordingly.

For some reason, I still see majority of Pakistanis supporting N.S even though we all know he is in love with Moodhi. Army can't take a punitive action against this bald bastard because the nation love him so much. Sooner or later Army will act against these traitors as well. COAS is still new to this position. Give him 3-6 months and we all will see.

 

[Dark-Silence]

Talibans and Proxies cant be use to divide india .. you can hit them with thousands wounds but they will not divide... understand indian people and society . to divide india you need to divide indian people which modi is doing ... things are not easy and simple...