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Related news or 'rumors'? Reports of a coup have been circulating since year one of this government - rumors alone do not justify allegations of 'threats by the COAS'.
Since I dont live in Pakistan, I have to make do with articles appearing in various News papers..And till the time it actually happens, everything is a rumor. There will be obvious denials and counter claims, but I will not discount Musharraf's statements so lightly, considering his relationship with Kayani and distaste for Zardari.
Is Pakistan heading for a coup? | Mustafa Qadri | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Musharraf warns of new military coup in Pakistan
Crisis in Pakistan: Possible Army Coup in Works, as US and Pakistan Clash | The Nation
That is true of almost any influential position - by definition an 'influential position' carries certain powers with it. However, you have not illustrated beyond speculation and rumor mongering that Kiyani in any way threatened the GoP, rather than merely pointing out their governance flaws and advising the GoP to fix them.
First of all there is a difference in threatning someone and there being an implicit threat. Also the role of Army in a democratic setup is not to question the policies of the govt. He is free to do that as a citizen, but I dont think the meeting in question is of a citizen with his PM/President. Case in point is the title of the thread..
Its not for the Chief of Army to point out the so called flaws and advice the president to fix them.
The fact that he is able to muscle his way into forcefully advising the democratic govt to get their house in order, the advice that is outside his mandated duties as a govt servant, demonstrates his abilities to go outside the control of the leadership he is supposed to obey. And if that by the chief of Armed forces is not an implicit threat, I dont know what will be. How many generals in Pakistani army can survive walking upto Kiyani and telling him to get his house in order (if they think he doesnt). Doesnt Kiyani have the same relationship with Zardari as per the constitution on Pakistan?
There can be a 1001 maybes around anything that doesnt happen in front of oneself, but the basis of the discussion has to be the published article. Isnt it?'Put your house in order' may be a direct quote, or may be embellishment on the part of the sources quoting Kiyani. I imagine the meeting involved Zardari, Gillani and Kiyani, and any other so called sources would be basing their views of what happened on indirect information about the contents of the meeting relayed to them by one of the three participants.
I would assume if Kiyani can say "get your house in order" to Zardari and Gilani, rest of his discussion would not be docile. But as I said, there can be a thousand and one may be's for every thing..'Forcefully demanded crackdown on corruption' is in no way a direct quote - your English is good enough to realize that phrase is in the third person narrative, and someone elses opinion of what Kiayani said and how he said it. Again, given three participants at the meeting, this account would be based on how people interpreted the event.
There is nothing here that supports any of your contentions of 'Kiyani did this to gain power' or that he threatened the GoP. You are throwing about unsubstantiated speculation based on rumors.
You are simply being blindly defensive here. I have never said that he wants to overthrow the govt. In my view (and its a view) he is simply increasing his sphere of power and influence by bullying the democratic govt which is not popular at this time and still not toppling them so that he gains favour both from the Population of Pakistan and the west. And as I said earlier, the goal of corruption is not always money. A lot of times, its power as well..