Pak Army Atheist Soldier Decorated and Promoted.

[CriticalThought]

I take issue with this inability to separate logically one thing from another. Recognising this man's contribution to the nation as an atheist, is NOT the same thing as unrecognised the same done by Muslims or any other religion.

These can be mutually exclusive positions, so please tell me why so many people that have a problem with atheism in this thread and make it so?

And I'm not bashing the country, I'm saying religion is not always a metric for a judge of a man, especially this man who has no religion, yet there are many Muslims in the country, some who are as great as him, and some who gave their lives for the country. Yet others are those, Muslims too, who've only robbed the country blind, wronged their country men or contributed nothing.

Maybe you should pay attention to the point being made rather than jumping to these conclusions that you've arrived at, that I've never intended you to arrive at. Each man's contribution is his own regardless of his religion, this man's lack of religion takes nothing away from his service in my opinion.

I for one don't question his service, but the side-effects of placing non-Muslims in key positions. Who gives the guarantee that such a person will not favor other atheists and non-Muslims? Who gives the guarantee that such a person will not abet the liberal lobby who want to expunge all traces of religion from the country? I am intimately aware of the 'fill the jails' tactics employed by the super elite in the final days of Musharraf. They were materially helped by Police officers who are mental slaves of beauty, wealth, Western degrees, and a good command of English. The same officials regard a bearded Muslim man with the utmost suspicion.

My reason to call out the promotion of non-Muslims is the very real bias faced by practicing Muslims in Pakistan.

Stoked by the powers vested in them, these liberals work at marginalizing Muslim interests. This is evident on this very forum where people are allowed to pour vitriol and hate against Islam, Muslims, and the fundamental tenets of our religion and belief.

 

[The Sandman]

I for one don't question his service, but the side-effects of placing non-Muslims in key positions. Who gives the guarantee that such a person will not favor other atheists and non-Muslims?

Why are you forgetting that he's a PAKISTANI TOO?

 

[CriticalThought]

Why are you forgetting that he's a PAKISTANI TOO?

I am only being mindful of the reality we are facing today.

 

[HAIDER]

I for one don't question his service, but the side-effects of placing non-Muslims in key positions. Who gives the guarantee that such a person will not favor other atheists and non-Muslims? Who gives the guarantee that such a person will not abet the liberal lobby who want to expunge all traces of religion from the country? I am intimately aware of the 'fill the jails' tactics employed by the super elite in the final days of Musharraf. They were materially helped by Police officers who are mental slaves of beauty, wealth, Western degrees, and a good command of English. The same officials regard a bearded Muslim man with the utmost suspicion.

My reason to call out the promotion of non-Muslims is the very real bias faced by practicing Muslims in Pakistan.

Stoked by the powers vested in them, these liberals work at marginalizing Muslim interests. This is evident on this very forum where people are allowed to pour vitriol and hate against Islam, Muslims, and the fundamental tenets of our religion and belief.

PA was full of atheist types during 60s and till mid 70s. Religion grab the roots inside the institution when first Afghan war started.

 

[The Sandman]

I am only being mindful of the reality we are facing today.

Our first 2 army chiefs and 4 air chiefs and 1 rear admiral was non Muslims i don't care about their religion as long as they're loyal to my country and are more competent than a Muslim for the job.

 

[CriticalThought]

PA was full of atheist types during 60s and till mid 70s. Religion grab the roots inside the institution when first Afghan war started.

It is truly an eye opener how attempts at rooting out Islam have backfired spectacularly throughout history. The Tatars who set out to kill Muslims en masse themselves became Muslims and fought off the remaining Tatars. Western stooges placed in the Middle East came back to bite the very hand that fed them. Islam is backed by Allah the Almighty Himself and He will keep rekindling the flame of Iman amongst Muslims as and when He Pleases, to the utter disappointment of anti-Islam forces.

@The Sandman

 

[MastanKhan]

I think fighting for the nation of states system is against the whole idea of being atheist. Why would such a person be willing to die for a country like Pakistan.

Hi,

When you were born---you had no religion---just like any other child---.

 

[CriticalThought]

Hi,

When you were born---you had no religion---just like any other child---.

Wrong. Everyone, even children of non-Muslims are born Muslims. And whoever dies before reaching puberty goes to Heaven.

 

[The Sandman]

Islam is backed by Allah the Almighty Himself

This excellent we Muslims shouldn't be worried about it leave it to Allah because he is there to protect this religion he will intervene when he thinks he needs to we should stay out it i agree.

 

[HAIDER]

Wrong. Everyone, even children of non-Muslims are born Muslims. And whoever dies before reaching puberty goes to Heaven.

Well , someone ask, a child born somewhere in African remote area, if he die following his tribal rituals ....this is his destiny ??????? or....

 

[MastanKhan]

Here is the thing. Do we want the help of Allah the Almighty when we perform Jihad against the Kuffaar? If that is so, we cannot be simply a 'secular army'. We have to be God Fearing Muslims. And that means excluding those who have dared to question the finality of Muhammad Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Aalihi Wasallam as the Messenger and Prophet of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala.

Let's not kid ourselves. Islam is a take it or leave it religion. And especially the 'Ghaibi Nusrat' of Allah the Almighty requires an extremely high level of faith. A high level of faith does not go together with friendship of Qaadiyanis.

The real strength of Pak Army isn't in the nuclear bombs, or the aircrafts, or any weaponry or training. The real strength is the Jazaba-e-Jihaad which makes even an unarmed soldier a potent weapon against the enemy.

There is no pride in Qaadiyanis being appointed in key places in the army or in the government. They WILL use their power and influence to forward their poisonous agenda against the Muslims. It is a matter of utmost shame, and it just goes on to show how far away our leaders are from the true teachings of Islam.

May Allah give Hidayah to our leaders so they may transform Pakistan into a true bastion of Islam. Aaameen.

Hi,

This is one of the worst posts that there is---.

 

[CriticalThought]

This excellent post we Muslims shouldn't be worried about it leave it to Allah because he is there to protect this religion he will intervene when he thinks he needs to we should stay out it i agree.

Well Islam teaches practicality. Just as an extreme example, we are told to strive for earning a living. We don't simply sit and do nothing because God has taken the distribution of sustenance upon Himself.

I have never inquired on the Islamic ruling of promoting non-Muslims so I don't speak for or against it. I just question the overall effects this creates.

Well , someone ask, a child born somewhere in African remote area, if he die following his tribal rituals ....this is his destiny ??????? or....

Absolutely. Because the child before puberty has no say in any of this.

 

[HAIDER]

Well Islam teaches practicality. Just as an extreme example, we are told to strive for earning a living. We don't simply sit and do nothing because God has taken the distribution of sustenance upon Himself.

I have never inquired on the Islamic ruling of promoting non-Muslims so I don't speak for or against it. I just question the overall effects this creates.



Absolutely. Because the child before puberty has no say in any of this.

I mean he spend all his life under tribal ritual , not just puberty.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Islamic republic has nothing to do with pakistanis or other citizens joining the military of their nations---.

It is in the genes---we are genetically inbred to stand up---take arms and fight for our nation---. It is in our DNA---

 

[CBU-105]

Islamic republic has nothing to do with pakistanis joining the military---.

It is in the genes---we are genetically inbred to stand up---take arms and fight for our nation---. It is in our DNA---

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