Pak and India crash rates v the world

[Centurion2016]

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/Pakistan-Air-Force-Crumbling-Away-1-9-2013.asp



Please have read guys and tell me what you think.

Seems India crash rate is twice that of most Air Forces

Pakistan is even worse which will shock some folkes.

I personally understand and agree that without modern fighters , better training facilities and plenty of funds to spend on fuel and pilot training you will suffer. Very very high crash rates.

 

[HypocriteHunter]

January 9, 2013 Article.

Things are improved now at both sides, with India buying more trainers and retiring older Migs. We barely got 2-3 accident previous year which is good record and even in them there were older Migs that are still in retiring phase.

 

[Maj.Osmani]

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/Pakistan-Air-Force-Crumbling-Away-1-9-2013.asp



Please have read guys and tell me what you think.

Seems India crash rate is twice that of most Air Forces

Pakistan is even worse which will shock some folkes.

I personally understand and agree that without modern fighters , better training facilities and plenty of funds to spend on fuel and pilot training you will suffer. Very very high crash rates.

Don't start another d.... measuring contest
@Irfan Baloch Sb Kindly close the discussion for better.

 

[Centurion2016]

Pakistan needs to replace 300 Chinese built f7 and obsolete mirage 5/3. Many of these are second hand planes. That's nearly 75% of the entire combat fleet

India needs to replace similar nos of ancient mig21/27 flying coffins. These flying coffins account for 50% of the Indian fleet .

Both nations boast world class pilots and professionslism but have serious deficiencies that are challenging them.

Pakistan will find it almost impossible to buy three hundred new fighters . Already we are seeing potential repeat purchases of USA origin second hand fighters again and again. The paf may have to reduce in size to modernise to become a more effect and more safe air power.

India has more resources and more options but still are unable to finalise Mmrca contracts for fighters r and to get their Tejas fighter into production service.

Real sobering article but hard hitting and true

The thread is not dick measuring.

We hear talk of world class fighter pilots and yet the airforces fly ancient relics mostly.

If you look,at the Middle East and s e Asia their air forces are far better equipped and seemingly better trained .

India and pak have nos but no punch

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Pakistan is Even Worse???? How??

Indian Air Force lost 30 fighter aircraft, 10 choppers in three years

indian Air Force lost 30 fighter aircraft, 10 choppers in three yearsIndian Air Force (IAF) has lost a total 30 fighter aircraft and 10 helicopters in crashes in last three years which left 26 defence personnel including 13 pilots dead, government told the Lok Sabha today.

In written reply to a question on incidents of air crashes in IAF, Defence Minister A K Antony said, "During the last three years, from 2008-09 to 2010-11, 30 fighter aircraft and 10 helicopters of Indian Air Force (IAF) have crashed."source : http://www.xairforces.net/newsd.asp?newsid=747&newst=9#.USZw8x09-M2


The India Air Force has the worst crash record in the world

Some salient facts about the crashes with references.

• India, using mostly Russian aircraft, has an accident rate of 6-7 per 100,000 hours flown (compared to 4-5 for all NATO air forces.)
• The Indian rate had been over ten for many years, and it is still that high, and often higher, with other nations (including Russia and China), that use Russian aircraft designs.
• F-15s and F-16s have an accident rate of 3-4 per 100,000 flight hours.
• World Record: 500th Flying coffin crashes
• 1970-2005: IAF has recorded around 700 crashes since 1970, with around 180 pilots and scores of civilians on the ground losing their lives Publication: The Times of India, Date: Monday, September 4 2006
• 1970-2005: f the 793 MiG-21s progressively inducted inIAF since 1963, 330 have been lost in accidents. The Times of India, Date: Monday, September 4 2006′

Most of the crashes have been attributed to pilot incompetence and a lack of training. Another major factor pointed out by the Russians is the fact that Bhrat insisted on using poorly manufactured local parts. After several hundredMigs had crashed, the IAF blamed the manufacturer of a faulty fuel pump. According to the IAF the breakdown in 2005 is as follows. 40%; human error (servicing) 2%; technical defects 41%; bird hits 9%; unresolved 6%; and others 2%.

 

[Jamwal's]

Most of the IAF crashes are - Mig 27, Mig 21 and Helis.

While SU 30MKI has only 6 ~ crash so far since it induction early 2000 also older TU 142, IL 38, Harrier has excellent record in Naval Aviation.

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Also, the workhorse of Army aviation Dhruv has only 20 ~ crashes out of 200 total Dhruvs in various services.

Can't say about Mi 17 ?

 

[Centurion2016]

Muhammad read the article crashes are based on flying hours.

The article is from military strategy website

Western sourcenationalpost

 

[AUz]

Muhammad read the article crashes are based on flying hours.

The article is from military strategy website

Western sourcenationalpost

And it is a very unreliable, fanboyish public forum.

We all know that lol

I guess you are new to the defense forum(s) establishment online. I'll give you a pass this time.

Spend some time here and learn.

 

[Windjammer]

Ignoring all other discrepancies, it's worth pointing out that most of IAF's front line combat inventory are twin engine jets while all PAF fighters are single engine machines. Take the Jaguars for example which were inducted into IAF in 1979 are twin engine jets, , in it's 35 odd year of service, it never fired once in anger, yet to date, the IAF has lost some 50 examples. Similarly the single engine F-16s started arriving in the PAF from 1983, it was immediately pressed into service against Soviet/ Afghan threat during which it shot down over a dozen aircraft. For the last several years, these aircraft have been involved in WOT, carrying out hundreds of extra sorties by hunting and carrying out strikes against the terrorist hideouts. The F-16s also constantly participate in overseas exercises, yet in it 30+years of operations, the PAF has only lost 8 machines, at least three of the losses were unavoidable.