PAF's possible answer to MRCA

[owais.usmani]

PAF officials with the Rafale in France

 

[Arsalan]

can it be a part of lucrative deal on offer form france, including assistance for JF, submarines, BVRAAMs and rafale,,,,
well for me, it might not be the case as it is too expensive and also we are not in a position to start a new fighter plane venture wiht PAF busy with JF17, F16 ans FC20! also not forget the highly complex AWE&Cz

regards!

 

[jalip]

can it be a part of lucrative deal on offer form france, including assistance for JF, submarines, BVRAAMs and rafale,,,,
well for me, it might not be the case as it is too expensive and also we are not in a position to start a new fighter plane venture wiht PAF busy with JF17, F16 ans FC20! also not forget the highly complex AWE&Cz

regards!

can be lucrative if Submarine( scorpion or Merlin are not included) they can upgrade our Agosta 70 and we Aslo have plan for building more Agosta 90 in near future that can give them lot of money Rafale will be only western option if US back from F 16

 

[Arsalan]

yes, infact there is a repoet about the U214 deal being finalized. so i guess if PAF can manage with finance issues it wont be a bad buy at all.
but another important point of concern is that can PAF really manage to support almost four new platform simlutaneously, i do not think so!!

regards!

 

[PakShaheen79]

yes, infact there is a repoet about the U214 deal being finalized. so i guess if PAF can manage with finance issues it wont be a bad buy at all.
but another important point of concern is that can PAF really manage to support almost four new platform simlutaneously, i do not think so!!

regards!

I don't think PAF is going to get any European fighter. they are all prone to sanctions like F-16 and once these sanctions are in place getting spares can proved to be a nightmare. Mirages III and V was another story as many country were using them so Pakistan managed to get spare despite the fact French stopped manufacturing of those models.

Apart from this, Look at desired number of JF-17s PAF wants. 250 is initial figure and can go up and will go up. It makes a lot of sense to have a medium to high tech main stay multi role and bring in more hi-tech planes (F-16M, FC-20) along with it for specialized role. This will decrease logistical, training, support, issues and will increase over all PAF responsiveness in war.

So, No new Eurpoean fighter even if F-16 comes under sanctions (Which is cannot write off as US and Indian media once again on a propaganda mission against Pakistan by stories of alleged modification of Harpoons by violating End User Agreement).

Future lies with FC-20 and JF-17 in long term with open architecture and modifications at regular basis.

 

[Arsalan]

i also have never been a supporter of Rafale procurement, this is not just the financila part of the deal but also some technical aspects that i have discussed in previous two posts, i hope you understand those!!
however as far as the deal being sacntion prones is cconcerned then it is not a real trouble part with france,,
but yes the future lies in JF but we will have to wait for atleast blkIII to surface before we can bet all our money on JF17,,

regards!

 

[maverick2009]

Rafale is the most advanced Multi role Fighter in the World after JSF & F22.

a HEAD OF the Russian SU35.MKI and the USA teen series.

Any Air Force wud welcome this beast...

It wud take PAF to another level from F16 block52

 

[PakShaheen79]

Rafale is the most advanced Multi role Fighter in the World after JSF & F22.

a HEAD OF the Russian SU35.MKI and the USA teen series.

Any Air Force wud welcome this beast...

It wud take PAF to another level from F16 block52

And you basis of the claim are......?

 

[Arsalan]

And you basis of the claim are......?

well there is absolutely no doub that Rafale is a real beast!!
it is a true $.5 generation plane, electronie stealth suite (SPECTRA) pilot friendly interface and latest avionics, one of the best missiles AESA radars soon to replace the aleady existing good radar,,,
all in all rafale is real a fighter plane of the highest league,,
only disadvantage being that F16s are battle tested but rafale is not fully matured as yet. moreover it is also almost twice as expensive then the F16z!!

regards!

 

[duhastmish]

no arsalanaslam - its infect almost same price - if you compare - f-16 block-70 and Rafael .

Rafael is infect best suited fighter - and with a good price tag - since its a European fighter.

 

[Arsalan]

well i was talking about the versions of F16 in existence. i dont see a point in comparing rafale with a plane no where to be found!!
if blk 70 costs the same, it may also be giving superior features, they are not know as yet so for comparison let us keep it to blk 52 or at most to blk 60z!!

regards!

 

[duhastmish]

yeh well even blk-60 They cost around $80 million each. so not a big diffrence they cost almost the same.

 

[Patriot]

Technically, F16 Bloc60 is superior in terms in electronics but Rafale is getting the upgrades and will completely dominate the F16..F16 Block60 is not as agile as earlier blocks due to heavy weight while rafale is double engine powered so more power and better agility.It is more in F15 category..let's just hope it is not selected for MRCA..Honestly Rafale and Eurofighter are far bigger threats then F16 or F18.

 

[duhastmish]

i totally second that - new f16-in is too heavy and bulky . and more over pakistan know f-16 in and out.

i dont think india will go for it . in an ideal scenario mrca will be -Rafale or eurofighter. with new aesa.

 

[Arsalan]

but there are rumores about SH being the strongest candidate,,
it is amazing that how easily indinas have kicked the russian options out of discussion, i never herad anyhing about those,,
i mean do they really are of the view thatrussian arm are no good for them anymore, atleast the planes are not!!

regards!