PakShaheen79;2263519]Well, I didn't say anything definite regarding the Russian involvement in the this collective security alliance. All i said that is a POSSIBILITY.problem with geopolitics is that it remains business till a certain limit and after that it is inter-dependence
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All are really underestimate Indo-Russian relations but I stop short of calling it 'all weather friendship' sort of coz I really think that all will hild own interests first. We still are friends, you remember MMS went directly to Russia after coming from Washington sealing the Nuclear deal to explain Moscow about it.
Weren't the US firms not aware of Indian arms market in 1990's after the dismemberment of USSR? All this new honey moon began after 9/11. the US does need a long term strategic partner in the region. I know Indian policy also seek to become a major player but think about it, Why the US is helping you guys to become a global player? Particularly, when it can also hurt her own long term strategic interests in the region.You would be a naive to think that you are the one taking advantage in others' games
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USA was well aware of Indian arms market much before 9/11. Why did not we go to Russia for LCA problems initially and go for American LM? Our scientists were working at US when the Nuke blast happens and subsequently got embargoed.
Everybody have own interests. It is now more than USA's to ally with India than ours. We know our stregnths.
In Asia, India is not least player, thats why US choose India to aly with, they could have done this with Myanmer, Malaysia etc, But It cant help to contain China at all.
And do you really think we are in their laps? remember about the MRCA, rejection of F35, we would like to keep our earlier posture.
We learned this harsh reality in last 64 years. What India offers in return in strategic terms to the US? this is the core question. Certainly, a powerful and economically strong India would be a deterrence against China in the Indian Ocean and South East Asia. Just like Japan and Taiwan are playing their roles in the East of China.
India is not Pakistan, your leaders were short visioned not ours. They used you for Afgan purpose, twice.
What do you think, India ever allow US jet to operate to attack China, leave even pakistan NO...
Again Indo-US partnership is about mutual interest. We have no fear to reject their best planes for the sake of our national security. Our airforce insisted to take out all American parts on whatever costs from hawk training jets from UK..
Why, in your opinion, Russians have no concerns with China supplying J-10A to Pakistan with AL-31F engines? unlike initial RD-93 when Russians were so concerned of Chinese exporting planes with those engines to Pakistan few years back?
Again do not underestimate Indo-Russian relations, we are doing billions of biz with them. Supplying engines does not change any scenerio in south asia. It is a matter of time, may be a decade, China get the idea of engine tech.
What do you think, If India says we will off from PAKFA if Russia not withdraw from engine sales to Pakistan. This deal does not hold such strategic value.
Many people said here that China would NOT help us in an event of war against India. I ask why not, when Chinese Sea Line of Communications can be threatened by Indian Navy in Indian Ocean? and a strong Pakistan Navy can prevent Indian Navy from doing that. This is a natural geographic bond between the two which force Pakistan and China to support each other on political issues for mutual interests. On the other hand, After 9/11, Indian ans US interests also converged leading to a geopolitical alliance which is far from business.
Pakistan can hold defense strategy against India in the coming decades, not offensive in case of Navy as well as AF.
It is foolishness to think PN will hold IN in Indian Ocean, and I agree with you that India is in alliancw with US and allys in waters but still we are not what UK to US.