PAF's First Aggressor Unit TDS

[Khafee]

Hi,

You have to have the map of the region in front of you---the arabian sea / indian ocean is an open space.

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[messiach]

Core ttl shells do not recognise in general. People at Datong mock them as toys on tarmac.

On Block 50+ or in general?

 

[Khafee]

Well the US and UK anticipate deterring countries with MiG-35s, JF-17s and (hilariously) Gripens, so the Gripen Aggressor is a solid lock in terms of mirroring adversary capabilities. However, the PAF has the peculiar situation of having to simulate against markedly superior platforms.

In the fleet as-is, an adequate force would that of the F-16 MLU with Link-16, but there might be American restrictions on operating F-16s with JF-17s in the air (@messiach), hope I am wrong.

The Gripen Aggressor is non-weaponizable, which might indicate a possibility of it being available to private contractors (e.g. Draken International). The PAF could look at getting them to visit Pakistan once in a while. If only there were some wealthy guys in Pakistan and the Middle East who could get together to form a contractor aggressor team, buy a bunch of these and dole out services to the PAF, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc.

Even if money is not an issue, fighter jet sales is a very political affair.

@Windjammer Can you confirm or deny, the part in bold?

 

[MastanKhan]

Even if money is not an issue, fighter jet sales is a very political affair.

@Windjammer Can you confirm or deny, the part in bold?

Hi,

It is not possible to have restriction between the F16's and JF17's operating together---.

F7's and mirages did not have any.

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Hi,

Pasni airport---dalbandin / shamsi air base---an airstrip at Gwadar---all these areas are out of the range of enemy awacs. They will have to get close to pak territory to look at what is happening.

There are a multiple options for the aircraft to fly low out to the ocean---make a sharp turn---get into the range---pop up---release its standoff weapon and be gone.

@Khafee ---please look into it and let me know how an aircraft makes that run.

 

[MastanKhan]

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Hi,

Thank you very much---.

It makes the whole indian flank vulnerable to a strike from standoff weapons---.

 

[Khafee]

Hi,

Pasni airport---dalbandin / shamsi air base---an airstrip at Gwadar---all these areas are out of the range of enemy awacs. They will have to get close to pak territory to look at what is happening.

There are a multiple options for the aircraft to fly low out to the ocean---make a sharp turn---get into the range---pop up---release its standoff weapon and be gone.

@Khafee ---please look into it and let me know how an aircraft makes that run.

There are multiple ways of pulling this off, but a twin engine heavy, or a B1 equivalent would be ideal. The Jh7b/c would be the cheapest way of doing it. All that is required is a bomb truck. Nonetheless, we don't live in an ideal world, so we have to make do with what we have.

When they can "lease" subs, you can surely lease aircrafts from east and west

Before the kids start howling "tankers from where?" - A330 from KSA over the Arabian Sea, fk with them and see what happens.

Hi,

Thank you very much---.

It makes the whole indian flank vulnerable to a strike from standoff weapons---.

To quote a great man, "strike the soft, underbelly"

 

[HRK]

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the thing which appear problematic with this purposed case is the Indian Navy ships lurking around for any such adventure from our side at 400-500 Km from our shores & with long range radars + air defence assets of around 100 Km range installed at Indian ships this idea does not appear ideal.

If the purposed idea is exclusively related to attain the capability to attack Indian coastal installations & economic centers then AERIAL ASSETS are not the necessity

 

[Tps43]

I was drinking water, and splurged it all over my laptop. WTF

I too can't stop laughing

 

[Khafee]

the thing which appear problematic with this purposed case is the Indian Navy ships lurking around for any such adventure from our side at 400-500 Km from our shores & with long range radars + air defence assets of around 100 Km range installed at Indian ships this idea does not appear ideal.

If the purposed idea is exclusively related to attain the capability to attack Indian coastal installations & economic centers then AERIAL ASSETS are not the necessity

Any bomb truck would be accompanied with EW and AShM escorts. By the time the enemy realizes what has happened, the bomb trucks have off loaded their stand off weapons and are on their return leg.

Whether this happens or not, and the enemy gets wind of a such a possibility, they would have to allocate air assets in the "drop zone." That would be quite a wastage in itself.

Gawadar to RP = 1300kms
RP to DZ = 1100Kms
Kill Zone = From Mumbai to Kochi, and out to Hyderabad, possibly covering Bengaluru too.

I too can't stop laughing

The mind is dangerous weapon, I tell you.

 

[Tps43]

Any bomb truck would be accompanied with EW and AShM escorts. By the time the enemy realizes what has happened, the bomb trucks have off loaded their stand off weapons and are on their return leg.

Whether this happens or not, and the enemy gets wind of a such a possibility, they would have to allocate air assets in the "drop zone." That would be quite a wastage in itself.
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The mind is dangerous weapon, I tell you.

True that especially a pathan mind. Performing exceptional in unexpected situation.

 

[MastanKhan]

Any bomb truck would be accompanied with EW and AShM escorts. By the time the enemy realizes what has happened, the bomb trucks have off loaded their stand off weapons and are on their return leg.

Whether this happens or not, and the enemy gets wind of a such a possibility, they would have to allocate air assets in the "drop zone." That would be quite a wastage in itself.

Gawadar to RP = 1300kms
RP to DZ = 1100Kms
Kill Zone = From Mumbai to Kochi, and out to Hyderabad, possibly covering Bengaluru too.

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The mind is dangerous weapon, I tell you.

Hi,

And once they allocate their assets to this region---that would mean the assets in the other regions would be running thin.

The best advantage of this route is that you won't have to worry about the enemy LRSAMS as much---because you would be delivering your assets / standoffs weapons at the maximum marginal range of their LRSAMS---and there is a good chance that the enemy may not even know from where the strike weapons came.

the thing which appear problematic with this purposed case is the Indian Navy ships lurking around for any such adventure from our side at 400-500 Km from our shores & with long range radars + air defence assets of around 100 Km range installed at Indian ships this idea does not appear ideal.

If the purposed idea is exclusively related to attain the capability to attack Indian coastal installations & economic centers then AERIAL ASSETS are not the necessity

Hi,

What military considerations you have in making such comments?

We would love to have the indian navy ships lurking in this region---if they want to---their radars cannot pickup an aircraft from a long distance---but our aircraft would love to take some of them out with the CM400AKG's and C802's.

The range of these AShM's is far longer than the range of the enemy ship's radar

+ the area that @Khafee has marked---it is out of the range of their support aircraft---unless they put their aircraft carrier in that region.

It would be an extremely tough situation for the opponent to put their 1/2 billion dollar frigate in that region.

 

[Khafee]

Hi,

And once they allocate their assets to this region---that would mean the assets in the other regions would be running thin.

The best advantage of this route is that you won't have to worry about the enemy LRSAMS as much---because you would be delivering your assets / standoffs weapons at the maximum marginal range of their LRSAMS---and there is a good chance that the enemy may not even know from where the strike weapons came.



Hi,

What military considerations you have in making such comments?

We would love to have the indian navy ships lurking in this region---if they want to---their radars cannot pickup an aircraft from a long distance---but our aircraft would love to take some of them out with the CM400AKG's and C802's.

The range of these AShM's is far longer than the range of the enemy ship's radar

+ the area that @Khafee has marked---it is out of the range of their support aircraft---unless they put their aircraft carrier in that region.

It would be an extremely tough situation for the opponent to put their 1/2 billion dollar frigate in that region.

They would be stretched thin, and out on a limb, exactly where you want them.

 

[MastanKhan]

@Khafee

The JH7A performed better that the SU34 in the recent excercizes held in china---.

See---the JH7 is basically a copy of the F111 without swing wings---and F111 was designed for low low flight---. Its wing design makes it extremely suitable for low flight.

So neither do the SU34---and nor do the J16 can compete with the JH7 in that low flight arena.

People assume that just because something is new it would be better---off course it would be---if the comparison is between a B2 and a B1 bomber.

But then look at the american INGENUITY---they re-furbish the B52 to deliver the modern standoff weapons---. So---now you have a 50 years old aircraft given a new life of another 30 + years.

Why would the U S do it---it has enough F16's to take out any enemy---it has enough F18's and F15's to take out any enemy---but then why heavy bombers---.

The heavy bombers are to put the fear of God in the enemy---they are to pulverize the enemy assets---.

 

[SQ8]

nise in general. People at Datong mock them as toys on tarmac.

The shells are inherently locked out anyway. The Turks had a long drawn out negotiation for a partial unlock. I believe only the Israelis have "full" access.

 

[Khafee]

The shells are inherently locked out anyway. The Turks had a long drawn out negotiation for a partial unlock. I believe only the Israelis have "full" access.

Indirectly - Their avionics, hence they can do what they want with it.

What is your opinion, why didn't PAF go for the MICA as well for the vipers?