PAF's Defensive Doctrine---Out of Ignorance---Out of Incompetence Or What?

[Bilal Khan 777]

[QUOTE"]and do you realli think IAF hasnt made any arrengements for SEAD & DEAD missions .... read about indian jaguars here backed by M2Ks(these two types are for first strike)and they dont need to go deep as most of the targets in Pakistan are within 15-65 miles from the border +we have Bhramos supersonik cruise missile and some other classified anty radar missiles

so the first ones to srtike will be bhramos followed by jags and M2K which will be given cover by upgraded Mig29s(im not talking about Mig29Ks) then they will be given cover by MKIs so tell me will PAF first neutralise jags , M2Ks and Mig29s or go for MKIs

Hi,

Pakistanis need to look at their map in relation to India-----. Their ability to strike back at india is over the Arabian sea / indian ocean-----which gives them a vast opportunity of multiple targets.

Unlike the land across border---where there would be multiple surface to air batteries operating---and extremely difficult to penetrate.

The vast ocean gives limitless opportunities to an aircraft that can fly long distances with standoff weapons----.

The purpose of the war needs to create panic in southern india---the state of Gujrat---maharashtra---the first sorties out of the bases on Arabian sea would be basically one way sorties----to take out the electronic hubs of india and the cities along the coastline---create hysteria amongst the foreign community---make them leave in a panic----.

This act needs to be committed by the aircraft and not by surface to surface missiles primarily----..

Drop a million dollar missiles on a 50 dollar hut---you have done minus one million dollar damage plus the fuel and maintenance cost-----.

Drop a million dollar missile on a 10 million dollar facility and you done a 50 million dollar damage----. Destroy the industrial centers of south india----.

We know that india is going to destroy us---destroy our cities---but we have to hurt them where it hurts the most----.[/QUOTE]
washed out and bitter?

 

[MastanKhan]

washed out and bitter?[/QUOTE]

That is brilliant---indeed.

 

[Jammer]

Hi,

Please don't ASSUME that they do---. The 1965 and 1971 were very poor and third rate showing of Pakistani doctrine by the general staff.

They want to hide their shame and incompetence in the blood sacrifice of the warriors who laid down their lives.

All the young 2nd LT and LT of the 65 and 71 war say the same thing---either it is Musharraf---Gen Durrani---Brig Shaukat or anyone else----.


If it was not for officers under the rank of Lt Col and non comms and soldiers---Pakistan would be history---.

Chawinda was a stroke of luck---started by a Major---and a surprise strike by the air force. Incidently---I don't know the name of the major----.

1971 war was that of alcoholic---drunkard generals of the Pakistan military---as was some of the 65 war----. The reaction to missile gun boats by the Pakistan air force in 1971 was equally pathetic----and to top that off---the destruction of the RB57 Canberra electronic surveillance plane on the tarmac at Karachi----.

So---just don't assume----. Question them---and question them hard----that is how you keep them on their tows and get the best out of them.

Ummm, ok then (slowly backing away)....

 

[GURU DUTT]

[QUOTE"]

Hi,

Pakistanis need to look at their map in relation to India-----. Their ability to strike back at india is over the Arabian sea / indian ocean-----which gives them a vast opportunity of multiple targets.

Unlike the land across border---where there would be multiple surface to air batteries operating---and extremely difficult to penetrate.

The vast ocean gives limitless opportunities to an aircraft that can fly long distances with standoff weapons----.

The purpose of the war needs to create panic in southern india---the state of Gujrat---maharashtra---the first sorties out of the bases on Arabian sea would be basically one way sorties----to take out the electronic hubs of india and the cities along the coastline---create hysteria amongst the foreign community---make them leave in a panic----.

This act needs to be committed by the aircraft and not by surface to surface missiles primarily----..

Drop a million dollar missiles on a 50 dollar hut---you have done minus one million dollar damage plus the fuel and maintenance cost-----.

Drop a million dollar missile on a 10 million dollar facility and you done a 50 million dollar damage----. Destroy the industrial centers of south india----.

We know that india is going to destroy us---destroy our cities---but we have to hurt them where it hurts the most----.

wll it works both ways + india knows where exactlli PN or PAF intends to strike and what are its options many lessons on that front were learned the hard way on 26/11/2008 do you realli think we dont learn from owr mistakes

as for dropping a 50K$$s missile on a 50$ hut wll that depends on importence of the target in a given situation and i think you know what i mean sir

just to remind you sir since most of the strategicalli important pakistani targets are in 15-65 mile radius of international border trust me we have many "cost effective" wepons to neytralise those threats and you perfectlli know what kinds im talking about .... have a nice day sirji

 

[Indus Falcon]

washed out and bitter?

That is brilliant---indeed.

I'm appalled that someone actually wrote this.

Apologies on his behalf, please do ignore his ludicrous rant.

 

[aliyusuf]

Although all of us reserve the right to voice our opinions and to agree or disagree with others on the topic under discussion, but, we should not use this right in the garb of freedom of expression to hurl veiled (and not so veiled) abuses and settle scores.
We should eliminate acrimony from our exchanges.

 

[Last Samuri]

Bilal;

Pakistanis need to look at their map in relation to India-----. Their ability to strike back at india is over the Arabian sea / indian ocean-----which gives them a vast opportunity of multiple targets.

Unlike the land across border---where there would be multiple surface to air batteries operating---and extremely difficult to penetrate.

The vast ocean gives limitless opportunities to an aircraft that can fly long distances with standoff weapons----.

The purpose of the war needs to create panic in southern india---the state of Gujrat---maharashtra---the first sorties out of the bases on Arabian sea would be basically one way sorties----to take out the electronic hubs of india and the cities along the coastline---create hysteria amongst the foreign community---make them leave in a panic----.

LOVE YOUR POST BUT WAKE UP PLEASE.

Unless you have the firepower of a USA carrier battle group with 100+ TWIN ENGINED latre fourth generation fighters how you planning to attack indian key targets.

Have you seen the Size of india
The distances of its cities
The huge metro and the shear no of targets.

You would need AIR POWER the size iof DESSERT STORM to hurt india significantly

One measly bomb by one F16./52 is like attacking an elephant with a screw driver

GET REAL

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Bilal;




LOVE YOUR POST BUT WAKE UP PLEASE.

Unless you have the firepower of a USA carrier battle group with 100+ TWIN ENGINED latre fourth generation fighters how you planning to attack indian key targets.

Have you seen the Size of india
The distances of its cities
The huge metro and the shear no of targets.

You would need AIR POWER the size iof DESSERT STORM to hurt india significantly

One measly bomb by one F16./52 is like attacking an elephant with a screw driver

GET REAL

This was never my post. I won't err recommend single engine fighters attacking india from the SLOC.

 

[Last Samuri]

Realistically attacking india for PAF is limied to short switft cross border raid of 100km in Punjab or LOC .

Beyond that impossible.

NOW IF PAF had 200+ SU30MKI or 200 Super hornets or J11 flankers THAT SCENARIO would change

 

[melb4aust]

Bilal;




LOVE YOUR POST BUT WAKE UP PLEASE.

Unless you have the firepower of a USA carrier battle group with 100+ TWIN ENGINED latre fourth generation fighters how you planning to attack indian key targets.

Have you seen the Size of india
The distances of its cities
The huge metro and the shear no of targets.

You would need AIR POWER the size iof DESSERT STORM to hurt india significantly

One measly bomb by one F16./52 is like attacking an elephant with a screw driver

GET REAL

I guess its you who need to wake up, because he was referring his views, to much debated cry over Pakistan's procurement of long range fighter bombers (such as Su35 or JH-7 etc) to carry out those strikes. And yes this could become very real once you have these birds in your inventory, so buckle your pants up before they let loose onto the ground.

 

[Last Samuri]

I guess its you who need to wake up, because he was referring his views, to much debated cry over Pakistan's procurement of long range fighter bombers (such as Su35 or JH-7 etc) to carry out those strikes.

Your country lacks the Financial muscle to buy and operate these fighters

Your military is too frightened to adopt a aggressive attack doctrine.

YOUR MILITARY IS DESIGNED AND GEARED TO FIGHT A DEFENSIVE WAR

You do not have resources or mindset to be anything else

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Your country lacks the Financial muscle to buy and operate these fighters

Your military is too frightened to adopt a aggressive attack doctrine.

YOUR MILITARY IS DESIGNED AND GEARED TO FIGHT A DEFENSIVE WAR

You do not have resources or mindset to be anything else

YOU have a knack at comedy!

Bilal;




LOVE YOUR POST BUT WAKE UP PLEASE.

Unless you have the firepower of a USA carrier battle group with 100+ TWIN ENGINED latre fourth generation fighters how you planning to attack indian key targets.

Have you seen the Size of india
The distances of its cities
The huge metro and the shear no of targets.

You would need AIR POWER the size iof DESSERT STORM to hurt india significantly

One measly bomb by one F16./52 is like attacking an elephant with a screw driver

GET REAL

Lets get real now. Have you the seen the size of our IRBMs? Can't tell you the number. You really think we will send fighters in the first wave for a heavily defended and nicely upgraded India? We can fight a war (of words) here, but the war planners in Pakistan, either defensive or aggressive, are adequately competent and equipped to defend or agress on the adversary, whichever is required by the hour.

washed out and bitter?

That is brilliant---indeed.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the sarcasm. It was a simple question. I would like you to ask yourself if You think any of the people sitting in their respective positions have any idea whats going on, and YOU think we are all left to be a collection of mongrels?

I am not so pessimistic of Pakistan, neither skeptical, but content to the fact that many things are being done correctly.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

and do you realli think IAF hasnt made any arrengements for SEAD & DEAD missions .... read about indian jaguars here backed by M2Ks(these two types are for first strike)and they dont need to go deep as most of the targets in pakistan are within 15-65 miles from the border +we have Bhramos supersonik cruise missile and some other classified anty radar missiles

deep breath and take it easy.
Indian counter attack is already considered so chill. we wont disband out military just because your country can hit us. the discussion is to hit you were it will hurt you much much more than us.. after all your country has much more than us dont you?
hmm...? again chill out its hypothetical talk. just stay way from those targetted cities and you are fine.

Your country lacks the Financial muscle to buy and operate these fighters

Your military is too frightened to adopt a aggressive attack doctrine.

YOUR MILITARY IS DESIGNED AND GEARED TO FIGHT A DEFENSIVE WAR

You do not have resources or mindset to be anything else

check out this "defensive" attack by PAF on an Indian airbase

to be specific move to 1:24 and enjoy some guncam action

 

[GURU DUTT]

deep breath and take it easy.
Indian counter attack is already considered so chill. we wont disband out military just because your country can hit us. the discussion is to hit you were it will hurt you much much more than us.. after all your country has much more than us dont you?
hmm...? again chill out its hypothetical talk. just stay way from those targetted cities and you are fine.


check out this "defensive" attack by PAF on an Indian airbase

to be specific move to 1:24 and enjoy some guncam action

salaam saeen ji

thing is we very well know pakistan intends to harm us and for that they are prepaired to go down in history as martyers... trust me all owr present and past doctrpoines ever since 1971 are made arround it what happens in power corridoares never reaches the publik ear

now we know that pakistan will use all its primerry wepons inclueding neukes and babur or raad against india from the word go .... so how does india stops pakistan in doing that without easing the pressure for making it suffer for its past criminal acts against india ..... trsut me we know waht we are doing all all these media chest thumping is part of it

 

[MastanKhan]

Thanks for the sarcasm. It was a simple question. I would like you to ask yourself if You think any of the people sitting in their respective positions have any idea whats going on, and YOU think we are all left to be a collection of mongrels?

I am not so pessimistic of Pakistan, neither skeptical, but content to the fact that many things are being done correctly.

Hi,

I should be the one saying that to you.

Well---proof is in the pudding---13 years and nothing of substance to show for, for the air force----.