PAF to take part in the Green Flag and Red Flag exercises at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada.

[Arsalan]

Shukar ha we sent those Blk52s!!
I hope SOMEDAY we will see JF17 in such exercises as well (yeah i know we have participated in that Shaheen and a few others, I am talking about this being a REGULAR affair)

 

[Beny Karachun]

Yea in which we goona beat israeli's A*s.

You cant beat up the Americans while we beat them up each and every year

 

[RedHulk]

Why didn't we use JF17??? Are they not combat ready? Are they just for bombing?

 

[Rocky rock]

You cant beat up the Americans while we beat them up each and every year

Maybe you forgot in 1967 Arab–Israeli War when Pakistani pilots shot down 10 israeli jets? or should i remind you?

 

[Beny Karachun]

Maybe you forgot in 1967 Arab–Israeli War when Pakistani pilots shot down 10 israeli jets? or should i remind you?

Wow! One camera is in black and white, second one is of an Israeli F16 from the 1982 war, I guess he went to the future, stole an Israeli F16, went back and started showed us footage from the future?
You're pilots are just worthless, this is why you lie and say that you shot down any of our drones while you didn't
In fact we didn't even face each other in air to air fights.

 

[Super Falcon]

How these F 16 went to US non stop fly or just transported

 

[Rocky rock]

Wow! One camera is in black and white, second one is of an Israeli F16 from the 1982 war, I guess he went to the future, stole an Israeli F16, went back and started showed us footage from the future?
You're pilots are just worthless, this is why you lie and say that you shot down any of our drones while you didn't
In fact we didn't even face each other in air to air fights.

lolx that's just a self made video i just posted it to show you about this incident you can search it on internet about pakistani pilots who shoot down 10 israeli jets in 6 day war.

 

[Beny Karachun]

lolx that's just a self made video i just posted it to show you about this incident you can search it on internet about pakistani pilots who shoot down 10 israeli jets in 6 day war.

This never happened
We have never encountered, even in Wikipedia there was is an article where is says that there is no evidence for anything such as this

 

[Rocky rock]

Wow! One camera is in black and white, second one is of an Israeli F16 from the 1982 war, I guess he went to the future, stole an Israeli F16, went back and started showed us footage from the future?
You're pilots are just worthless, this is why you lie and say that you shot down any of our drones while you didn't
In fact we didn't even face each other in air to air fights.

The Aerial fight over Golan[edit]
On 26 April 1974, PAF fighter pilot Flight Lieutenant Sattar Alvi on deputation to No. 67A Squadron, Syrian Air Force (SAF) was flying a SAF MiG-21F-13 (Serial No. 1863) out of Dumayr Air Base, Syria in an eight-ship formation with a fellow PAF pilot and the Flight Leader, Squadron Leader Arif Manzoor.[4]

Alvi came to a worldwide international notice when he had shot down the IAF's Mirage IIICJ flown by Captain M. Lutz. On 26 April 1974, while on an aerial patrol, the PAF fighter pilots team including, Flight Lieutenant Captain Sattar Alvi, Squadron Leader Major Saleem Metla and the formation's leader Squadron Leader Major Arif Manzoor. The Shahbaz faced an encounter over Golan Heights between a Mig-21 of the Syrian Air Force and two Israeli Mirages.[5]

While leading a Mig-21 patrol along the border, Squadron Leader Arif Manzoor apprised of the presence of two Israeli Phantom aircraft and was cautioned that these could be decoys while two other fast tracks approaching from the opposite direction might be the real threat. The latter turned out to be Mirages and a moment later Alvi, in Arif's formation saw the No 2 Mirage breaking towards him.[6] All this time, heavy radio jamming by Israeli ground stations was making things difficult but the Pakistani pilots were used to such tactics. Sattar forced the Israeli pair into close combat, firing his K-13 missile at the first opportunity. The Israeli wingman's Mirage exploded into a ball of fire, while the leader quickly disengaged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sattar_Alvi

This never happened
We have never encountered, even in Wikipedia there was is an article where is says that there is no evidence for anything such as this

The Arab-Israel War - 1967
During this war, PAF sent a contingent of its pilots and airmen to Egypt, Jordan and Syria. PAF pilots performed excellently and downed about 10 Israeli planes including Mirages, Mysteres, Vautours without losing a single plane of their own. Flt.Lt. Saif-ul-Azam was decorated by Jordan and Iraq. The performance of PAF pilots was praised by Israelis too. Eizer Weizman, then Chief Of Israeli Air Force said once about Air Marshal Noor Khan (Commander PAF at that time): "...He is a formidable person and I am glad that he is Pakistani not Egyptian..." On 07 June 1967 Flight Lieutenant Saiful Azam, PAF, destroyed an Israeli Mirage in Iraq. In his second encounter with Israelis in the Middle East, he despatched one of the Mirages that were escorting the Israeli Vatour bombers. Moments later, he shot down one of the two escaping Vatour bombers. Two days earlier he had shot down an Israeli Super Mystere over Mafrak Air Base, Jordan. The officer was decorated with gallantry awards after the war both by Jordan and Iraq. He had already earned Sitara-i-Jurat during the 65 war when he shot down an Indian Gnat.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/air-force-combat.htm

 

[DavidSling]

The Aerial fight over Golan[edit]
On 26 April 1974, PAF fighter pilot Flight Lieutenant Sattar Alvi on deputation to No. 67A Squadron, Syrian Air Force (SAF) was flying a SAF MiG-21F-13 (Serial No. 1863) out of Dumayr Air Base, Syria in an eight-ship formation with a fellow PAF pilot and the Flight Leader, Squadron Leader Arif Manzoor.[4]

Alvi came to a worldwide international notice when he had shot down the IAF's Mirage IIICJ flown by Captain M. Lutz. On 26 April 1974, while on an aerial patrol, the PAF fighter pilots team including, Flight Lieutenant Captain Sattar Alvi, Squadron Leader Major Saleem Metla and the formation's leader Squadron Leader Major Arif Manzoor. The Shahbaz faced an encounter over Golan Heights between a Mig-21 of the Syrian Air Force and two Israeli Mirages.[5]

While leading a Mig-21 patrol along the border, Squadron Leader Arif Manzoor apprised of the presence of two Israeli Phantom aircraft and was cautioned that these could be decoys while two other fast tracks approaching from the opposite direction might be the real threat. The latter turned out to be Mirages and a moment later Alvi, in Arif's formation saw the No 2 Mirage breaking towards him.[6] All this time, heavy radio jamming by Israeli ground stations was making things difficult but the Pakistani pilots were used to such tactics. Sattar forced the Israeli pair into close combat, firing his K-13 missile at the first opportunity. The Israeli wingman's Mirage exploded into a ball of fire, while the leader quickly disengaged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sattar_Alvi



The Arab-Israel War - 1967
During this war, PAF sent a contingent of its pilots and airmen to Egypt, Jordan and Syria. PAF pilots performed excellently and downed about 10 Israeli planes including Mirages, Mysteres, Vautours without losing a single plane of their own. Flt.Lt. Saif-ul-Azam was decorated by Jordan and Iraq. The performance of PAF pilots was praised by Israelis too. Eizer Weizman, then Chief Of Israeli Air Force said once about Air Marshal Noor Khan (Commander PAF at that time): "...He is a formidable person and I am glad that he is Pakistani not Egyptian..." On 07 June 1967 Flight Lieutenant Saiful Azam, PAF, destroyed an Israeli Mirage in Iraq. In his second encounter with Israelis in the Middle East, he despatched one of the Mirages that were escorting the Israeli Vatour bombers. Moments later, he shot down one of the two escaping Vatour bombers. Two days earlier he had shot down an Israeli Super Mystere over Mafrak Air Base, Jordan. The officer was decorated with gallantry awards after the war both by Jordan and Iraq. He had already earned Sitara-i-Jurat during the 65 war when he shot down an Indian Gnat.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/air-force-combat.htm

Where did the Pakistani pilots went , cause Israel had air superiority in 6 days war.
Fact is, Western world does not recognize this, and you can tell yourself what ever lies you want.
http://www.israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=8335

 

[Beny Karachun]

The Aerial fight over Golan[edit]
On 26 April 1974, PAF fighter pilot Flight Lieutenant Sattar Alvi on deputation to No. 67A Squadron, Syrian Air Force (SAF) was flying a SAF MiG-21F-13 (Serial No. 1863) out of Dumayr Air Base, Syria in an eight-ship formation with a fellow PAF pilot and the Flight Leader, Squadron Leader Arif Manzoor.[4]

Alvi came to a worldwide international notice when he had shot down the IAF's Mirage IIICJ flown by Captain M. Lutz. On 26 April 1974, while on an aerial patrol, the PAF fighter pilots team including, Flight Lieutenant Captain Sattar Alvi, Squadron Leader Major Saleem Metla and the formation's leader Squadron Leader Major Arif Manzoor. The Shahbaz faced an encounter over Golan Heights between a Mig-21 of the Syrian Air Force and two Israeli Mirages.[5]

While leading a Mig-21 patrol along the border, Squadron Leader Arif Manzoor apprised of the presence of two Israeli Phantom aircraft and was cautioned that these could be decoys while two other fast tracks approaching from the opposite direction might be the real threat. The latter turned out to be Mirages and a moment later Alvi, in Arif's formation saw the No 2 Mirage breaking towards him.[6] All this time, heavy radio jamming by Israeli ground stations was making things difficult but the Pakistani pilots were used to such tactics. Sattar forced the Israeli pair into close combat, firing his K-13 missile at the first opportunity. The Israeli wingman's Mirage exploded into a ball of fire, while the leader quickly disengaged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sattar_Alvi



The Arab-Israel War - 1967
During this war, PAF sent a contingent of its pilots and airmen to Egypt, Jordan and Syria. PAF pilots performed excellently and downed about 10 Israeli planes including Mirages, Mysteres, Vautours without losing a single plane of their own. Flt.Lt. Saif-ul-Azam was decorated by Jordan and Iraq. The performance of PAF pilots was praised by Israelis too. Eizer Weizman, then Chief Of Israeli Air Force said once about Air Marshal Noor Khan (Commander PAF at that time): "...He is a formidable person and I am glad that he is Pakistani not Egyptian..." On 07 June 1967 Flight Lieutenant Saiful Azam, PAF, destroyed an Israeli Mirage in Iraq. In his second encounter with Israelis in the Middle East, he despatched one of the Mirages that were escorting the Israeli Vatour bombers. Moments later, he shot down one of the two escaping Vatour bombers. Two days earlier he had shot down an Israeli Super Mystere over Mafrak Air Base, Jordan. The officer was decorated with gallantry awards after the war both by Jordan and Iraq. He had already earned Sitara-i-Jurat during the 65 war when he shot down an Indian Gnat.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/air-force-combat.htm

I like how you edit out the "[citation needed]"

 

[DavidSling]

I like how you edit out the "[citation needed]"

I like how people in this forum already made a fact out of this fiction, while it's not even true.
The almighty pakistani pilots shoot down Israeli pilots and still Israel gained complete air superiority without a single enemy aircraft in the air?
Where were the pakistani pilots? drinking coffie? Soviet pilots were shoot down, but not the Pakistanies, no no
as for numbers
Throughout all of the Arab-Israeli Wars, the kill-to-loss ratio in air combat has been heavily in favor of the Israelis.

During the 1956 Sinai Campaign, the kill-to-loss ratio in air-to-air combat was 7-to-2 in Israel's favor.

During the 1967 Six Day War, it was 60-to-12.

During the 1967-1970 War of Attrition, the kill-to-loss ratio was 113-to-4 in air-to-air combat. Far more aircraft were lost to missile defenses and AAA.

During the 1973 Yom Kippur War it was 277-to-15 in air-to-air combat. Israel's losses during the war were heavy - but came primarily from missile batteries and AAA.

During the 1982 Lebanon War (and in the years that followed), the ratio was 88-to-0 in Israel's favor.

These ratios include both Arab pilots, as well as Russians and Pakistanis who flew on behalf of the Arab armed forces. It's been reported that Pakistani pilots flew in the air forces of Jordan, Egypt and Iraq during the 1967 Six Day War. Pakistani volunteers reportedly also served in the Syrian air force during the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

I have seen sources that claim that up to 3 of the Arab air-to-air kills from the Six Day War were scored by Pakistani pilots (two from aircraft flying out of Iraq and one from a pilot flying out of Jordan). I have seen similar claims for 2 or 3 kills (depending on the source) from the Yom Kippur War as being claimed by Pakistani pilots. These numbers are not unreasonable. Anything more than this, however, is purely based in fantasy.

I has been my experience that many (although not all) Pakistani commentators - like so much of the Islamic world today - have a tendency to lie about everything as a matter of habit. The more outrageous the lie, the more likely they are to tell it.


The following is an abbreviated listing of websites that deal with the Heyl HaAvir:

Official Website
Includes a map of air bases and a small photo-gallery
http://www.iaf.org.il/Templates/Home...e.aspx?lang=EN

Oren Rozen's Website
Includes kill and loss statistics from 1948 to 1998
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2848/

Attributed Israeli Air Combat Victories
Excellent, detailed listing of Israeli air-to-air victories, including an extensive bibliography
http://home.comcast.net/~anneled/IAFclaims.html

Israeli Weapons
Generic website profiling Israeli weapons and military history
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/index.html

taken from Israel Military forum.

 

[Rocky rock]

I like how you edit out the "[citation needed]"

debating with you is just a wastage of time. you just live in your fantasies. That israeli Airforce is number one in the world it's not your fault every patriotic person thinks like you. but i would suggest you to accept the realities and do some research before making any assumptions or ask your elder's about these.

 

[DavidSling]

debating with you is just a wastage of time. you just live in your fantasies. That israeli Airforce is number one in the world it's not your fault every patriotic person thinks like you. but i would suggest you to accept the realities and do some research before making any assumptions or ask your elder's about these.

Israeli air force isn't the best in the world, but neither is Pakistan, and any claim of Pakistani air superiority in six days war while Israel had complete air superiority as a fact in the six days war, doesn't make sense and illusional

 

[The Diplomat]

Why didn't we use JF17??? Are they not combat ready? Are they just for bombing?

The JF-17's are our back bone, during war time they will stay in Pakistani airspace and defend our skys by shooting down aircrafts that have invaded our airspace. They are like the second line of defense. The F16 is our attack aircraft that will go deep within territory of the country we are fighting and heavily bomb them. So its much better if our F-16 pilots gain experience and learn from other top guns on how to attack and defend them self.