PAF Should Stop Purchase of Any New F 16's

[Erroroverload]

no nop we cant do that ,,,we shouldn't go for f16 ,,,rather spending a huge amount of money in f16 we should upgrade or jf17 on urgent bases i mean in about 2 to 3 years we should try to include AESA in jf 17 and if possible if if possible we should acquire a squadron of Euro fighter typhoon.believe me when USA will see PAF is going for EFT they will offer us F16 blk 70 like they offered to IAF.
considering the fact that IAF is buying RAFALES we should not go for J10 b,,,,go for EFT. and then BLK 70 F16 ,,keep working on our JF17 n after 4 or 5 years include 2 squadron of fc 31.
if we r to match with IAF.

 

[MastanKhan]

why sudden change of heart, you never considered Chinese option even close in performance to USA one


really!, an odd way of appreciating patriotism ...

Hi,

The J 10 B with aesa is a very potent aircraft----. An aesa will outdo a conventional radar.

Rebember the gap between the J 10 and F 16 was between the electronics package 3 years ago. The aesa has put J 10 ahead of the blk 52----.

And even if there is aesa available for the F 16 blk 52 upgrade----Paf still needs two different kind of for air superiority and strike missions.

Also---if we stay with the F 16's---then it minimizes our options to start a war with opponent if we need to---ties down our hands---.

With our neighbor going for rafale---we need to change directions---blk 52's won't be enough---aesa equipped will be good---but we need to go for the top model of the F 16---. That will give us breathing space and will keep the rhetoric down from across the border---.

Next thing is that 350 aircraft air force will be an extremely lean air force in numbers---that needs to change as well.

 

[Erroroverload]

Hi,

The J 10 B with aesa is a very potent aircraft----. An aesa will outdo a conventional radar.

Rebember the gap between the J 10 and F 16 was between the electronics package 3 years ago. The aesa has put J 10 ahead of the blk 52----.

And even if there is aesa available for the F 16 blk 52 upgrade----Paf still needs two different kind of for air superiority and strike missions.

what about going for a squadron of EFT instead of 50 j1o bs and just forgetting about blk52

 

[WAQAS119]

When you are eyeing for 4G in near future, why go 3G then. Stick to your current potent line of aircraft and save resources for next big thing (J-31).

 

[Sine Nomine]

J-10b Aesa

 

[MastanKhan]

what about going for a squadron of EFT instead of 50 j1o bs and just forgetting about blk52

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Hi,

We are better off with BLK 60/61 if it s available.

The thing is that numbers are an issue---a 350 unit air force won't work---it is too lean and has many weak links---. With the current scenario---paf needs to be closing in on 500---550 number of aircraft---

What aircraft they are going to purchase and integrate---?????

 

[shah1398]

I dont think so that we are going for any new fighter aircraft acquisition in near future, let alone F-16 Blk 52.Plus we have only provisions of 18 more of them so i dnt think that even if we go for it, it would be that much a bigger deal. When your hands are full then you have to make some space for new entry.Right now Thunders are the start of the show and PAF may not venture into any other fighter aircraft atleast till Thunder Blk III rolls in.We have to get rid of Old Mirages and the oldest F-7Ps asap.Yes prospects of acquiring any used F-16s and then upgrading them to own specs can be undertaken.Lets see whats ahead for us.

 

[Erroroverload]

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Hi,

We are better off with BLK 60/61 if it s available.

The thing is that numbers are an issue---a 350 unit air force won't work---it is too lean and has many weak links---. With the current scenario---paf needs to be closing in on 500---550 number of aircraft---

What aircraft they are going to purchase and integrate---?????

hi sir i m rewriting my old post
no nop we cant do that ,,,we shouldn't go for f16 ,,,rather spending a huge amount of money in f16 we should upgrade or jf17 on urgent bases i mean in about 2 to 3 years we should try to include AESA in jf 17 and if possible if if possible we should acquire a squadron of Euro fighter typhoon.believe me when USA will see PAF is going for EFT they will offer us F16 blk 70 like they offered to IAF.
considering the fact that IAF is buying RAFALES we should not go for J10 b,,,,go for EFT. and then BLK 70 F16 ,,keep working on our JF17 n after 4 or 5 years include 2 squadron of fc 31.
if we r to match with IAF.
we should go for f16s blk 70 plus because we have massive experience of f16 and i think airforce having 350 lethal fighters is better than 500 normal fighters

 

[SBD-3]

If Zardari wont come to power , and our Generals have chosen J-10's in late 2000 , than by now we would have more than 50 J-10s , and PAF would have look something like this ..

76 F-16's
50 Jf-17's
50+ J-10's ..
rest Mirage and F-7PG's

J-10Bs are still making their way into Chinese AF. Had US not allowed Pakistan F-16s, be it Zardari in power or someone else, J-10As would have been flying in green colors.

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Hi,

We are better off with BLK 60/61 if it s available.

The thing is that numbers are an issue---a 350 unit air force won't work---it is too lean and has many weak links---. With the current scenario---paf needs to be closing in on 500---550 number of aircraft---

What aircraft they are going to purchase and integrate---?????

"if" is the wonder word here.

 

[rockstar08]

J-10Bs are still making their way into Chinese AF. Had US not allowed Pakistan F-16s, be it Zardari in power or someone else, J-10As would have been flying in green colors.

you forgot one thing that we are poor Country , if we buy J-10's back than , then there were no J-f17;s or additional F-16s from Jordan , you cant pay for both ..

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

@MastanKhan

Sir,
You were going to give some good news about the future PAF deal.

Sir on the topic, PAF has an aging fleet of French Mirage III/V's and F-7's that are now at the end of their life which are to be replaced.

For ages it has been discussed over and over again and some valid suggestion have been made. Some critics like your self have highlighted what mistakes were made. For now when PAF is trying to do with F-16 what it did in the past with the Mirage replacement of this should not be considered.

F-16's were always under some sort of embargo but still PAF managed to maintain them through friends and black market. Now when the replacement (F-35) will start being delivered USA would no longer consider the F-16's as their front-line fighter so this is the time when any country that wishes to purchase them can come forward and purchase as many as they would like.

The Congress approval would also seize to exist and these aircraft could be sold or given on a presidential order. You might be aware that EDA which is not part of the reserve fleet can be any where in the world (this is separate from the US defence fleet which is stationed and maintained in USA) would also be available in large quantities and so would the spares.

In one of the Threads remember reading that the radar that PAF uses on F-16's is no more being produced. And this is also the case for UAE F-16's hence they have to get the upgraded one for the new order.

In the past it was mentioned that US would be cutting down their bases all around the world and the equipment that it maintains would either be junked or it would be sold / given as EDA to allies nations. These cuts were not limited to F-16's but also F-15 and F-18's. Now the US Navy is going to induct the F-35's which would make the F-18's redundant. Though the navy did order some new F-18 G's but those would not be entering service as they are now going to upgrade their existing F-18 C/D to G level.

PAF is also looking to procure FA-50 which is powered by the some F-18 engine so it might be possible that PAF is looking to buy some of these F-18's to fulfill the needs.

J-10b's are going to come to Pakistan that is a reality but not in high numbers (15-18) these are to be the replacement of Mirage V's.

The possibility of getting the Rafale is also open since INDIA has only bought 36 fighters and the orders from Egypt, Qatar and UAE are not more than 90 combined (126 in all) is far too less then the liking of France.

Saudi Arabia is advocating EFT to be inducted in PAF unfortunately PAF is not interested due to sanction issues.

PAF is playing the waiting game to find the best possible solution.

 

[SBD-3]

you forgot one thing that we are poor Country , if we buy J-10's back than , then there were no J-f17;s or additional F-16s from Jordan , you cant pay for both ..

We got F-16s with the same economy....

 

[rockstar08]

We got F-16s with the same economy....

I'm not talking about the Country bhai , i am talking about Funds , do you remember why we have to drop J-10's ?because we need to push for Thunders , because of that we were able to produce 50 Jf , and if we bought 2 Sqs of J-10's we wont have any money left for thunders , nor for those 13 F-1's from jordan ...

 

[Rocky rock]

well the reason why it's difficult to do so is. Because PAF don't want to get involved in to new 4th Gen fighter as we already dug ourselves in JF thunder project to make ourselves indigenously strong. and the reason of inducting more F-16 is because it's a potent aircraft and we've got our hands on it since last two decades and we've great expertise on it.which would be easy for us to equip our airforce with few more f-16s rather than looking for the new one.

which don't have war experience.so it's better not to go for any other 4/4+ Gen aircraft as our budget also don't allow us to try new things. So for now we should make our focus on which new 5th Gen Aircraft we should induct. and to make JF-17 thunder more potent and reliable aircraft as for international market.

 

[PakPrinciples]

that can only happen, if the top generals or fighter mafia stop their love of usa made equipment.

The F-16 is a reliable combat proven fighter so I can see why they'd like it.

We should not let go the option of buying 18 F-16 C/D with all the bling bling

However, what happens when we are at war with India again or another nation that US wants to protect?

They placed sanctions on us in '65 and '71 so we couldn't repair damaged fighter jets that we procured through them.

What Pakistan needs is transfer of technology agreements for the domestic production of components particularly things like the engines but also avionics in case the country is ever at war and is required to manufacture them since imports are not an option.

afterwards ...Going for J-31 will remain the only good option

we need atleast 1 squadron of j31

J-31 might very well be available

Eventually, as Chinese 5th Generation aircraft like J31 mature, PAF will look at it critically to evaluate its viability and use.

save resources for next big thing (J-31).

How is the J-31 a good option? This is a fighter jet that even the PLAAF didn't want and is based on the faulty F-35.

It has no track record and since there doesn't seem to be any international interest its production costs are likely to be way more than its really worth.

This would be the worst purchase Pakistan could make.