PAF received MAA-1A Piranha 1 in june 2010 and now looking for MAA-1B Piranha 2

[mjnaushad]

Dear All,
Mar-1 is already in service and in use with JF-17 as i have seen two pics (farnbourough or Zhui Air Show) of JFT and i have these pics in my PC i don't know how to upload on this forum,
On that misile it is clearly written Mar-1...............

May be some senior members show something

Regards,

Sunny

Upload at imageshack.us and then post the link here....

 

[khanasifm]

Robert Hewson

China's SD-10 beyond visual range air-to-air missile (AAM) may be a
considerably more capable weapon than has hitherto been believed.
Officials from the SD-10's manufacturer, the Luoyang Electro-Optical
Technology Development Centre (LOEC), say the SD-10 was designed
from the beginning to function with a dual-mode seeker operating in
distinct active and passive radar homing modes. If so, the SD-10 (and
current production SD-10A) are the first AAMs to enter service with
this acknowledged capability.
In lengthy discussions with LOEC at the Airshow China 2010 in Zhuhai
between 16-21 November, the operating modes of the SD-10 were
described to Jane's in detail. The missile has an active-radar terminal
homing capability which has been public knowledge since the first
details of the SD-10 were officially released in the middle of the last
decade.
What has remained unspoken until now is the missile's claimed ability
to home in on radar or electronic warfare emissions from the target
aircraft, without support from the launch aircraft or use of the
missile's own active seeker modes.
A LOEC official told Jane's that the passive mode was not intended to
be the missile's primary targeting method - and cited the risks to
friendly aircraft when relying on passive guidance mode alone. It is
not clear if the SD-10's seeker can continuously alternate between
active and passive modes in flight, or if it makes a less sophisticated
'one time' switch.
In the past, Russian sources have given Jane's a detailed account of
the assistance supplied by Russian design bureaux in the development
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of the SD-10. A LOEC official hinted that this co-operation is still
ongoing when he noted: "We [LOEC] have the capability to make the
seeker ourselves, but obviously we want it to be the best it possibly
can." He confirmed that the missile still relied on some (unidentified)
components that were sourced outside China, commenting that the
SD-10 was "like a mobile phone" in that respect.
Within Russia, the AGAT Design Bureau has developed several
dual-mode seekers (active/passive, active/semi-active) which it
began to discuss publicly only in 2009. AGAT's active-passive design
operates by switching back and forth between its two modes over the
engagement cycle. A central, circular active array on the missile's
gimballed seeker head is surrounded by a ring of seven smaller
passive detectors.
In passive mode, AGAT claims the seeker can detect an active fighter
aircraft fire control radar at distances of up to 200 km. This
significantly out-reaches the active seeker, which has a maximum
lock-on range of about 20 km.
Senior AGAT officials have remained vague when asked by Jane's who
has paid for their latest seeker development programmes - noting only
that there is no Russian application and no Russian state support for
them.
During the 1990s, China also gained access to the 9B-1032 passive
seeker developed by Avtomatika for the Vympel R-27P (AA-10
'Alamo-E') AAM. A melding of these two design inputs might explain
how China arrived at its SD-10 seeker design. According to a LOEC
official, the dual-mode capability was designed into the SD-10 from its
inception.
LOEC also confirmed that two versions of the missile have been
developed to date: the original SD-10 and the current SD-10A. The
SD-10A incorporates some small airframe design changes, but the
most important improvements were in its reliability and affordability.
According to LOEC, the SD-10A remains more costly than the company
would like. This may be a reflection of the high failure rate of some
sub-components - also acknowledged by LOEC - which the company
says it is working hard to remedy.
Discussing future extended-range AAM developments, a LOEC official
said that most of the work done so far remained theoretical. He noted
that debate continues in China regarding the benefits of ramjets
versus rocket propulsion systems. In this respect, China's designers
seem to be echoing the thoughts of their Russian counterparts, who
have also been less keen to completely embrace ramjets.
At the same time, Jane's was told that China lacks experience in small
ramjet engines of the kind needed for AAMs and that this was a brake
on progress as much as any philosophical reasons. Conceptual
drawings of an evolved SD-10, fitted with both a large rocket booster
section and a ramjet powerplant, have been seen in unofficial Chinese

 

[khanasifm]

MAA1A is 3 G, +/- 50 degree with HMD, 8-10 km range, single band, single motor = to Python 3
MAA1B also known as MAA2 is 4th Gen, +/- 90 degree FOV WITH, 50&#37; more range, duak band, dual thrust motor <= python 4, better than R73

A DARTER 5th Gen = to Python 5, AIM9x, IRST

 

[Tajdar adil]

What is the rang of these Missiles.

 

[fjavaid]

Any update on Prinah-II for which PAF has already singed the MOU.....
is there any chance of PAF getting its hand on IRIS-T typo AA missles ...

 

[alimobin memon]

MAA-1 Piranha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
wikipedia is also source for this

 

[regular]

No,you are totaly confusing MAR-1 with MAA-1Piranha .

MAR-1 is an anti radiation missile and Pakistan has no anti-radiation missile of Chinese origin so there is nothing like MAR-1 replacing Chinese counterparts

what kind of radiation U talking about?? Isn't that infra-red radiation or heat radiation or electromagnetic radiation something else???....
In my little knowledge I guess it shold be electromagnetic radiation from their radars or electronic equipments etc......

 

[Imran Khan]

what kind of radiation U talking about?? Isn't that infra-red radiation or heat radiation or electromagnetic radiation something else???....
In my little knowledge I guess it shold be electromagnetic radiation from their radars or electronic equipments etc......

An anti-radiation missile (ARM) is a missile which is designed to detect and home on an enemy radio emission source. Typically these are designed for use against an enemy radar, although jammers and even radios used for communication can also be targeted in this manner.Most ARM designs to date have been intended for use against ground-based radars.

Anti-radiation missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Super Falcon]

looks awsome pakistan should concentrate on buying the technolgy so we can buile them in bulk INSHAHALLAH ameen

 

[Donatello]

what kind of radiation U talking about?? Isn't that infra-red radiation or heat radiation or electromagnetic radiation something else???....
In my little knowledge I guess it shold be electromagnetic radiation from their radars or electronic equipments etc......

You basically answered your own question without knowing it.

Infra Red is Electromagnetic radiation just like Ultra violet, Radio waves, Microwaves, Visible light, X rays and Gamma rays. Infra Red is the heat that our bodies can usually sense/feel.

So in essence, this missile homes in on electromagnetic radiation. This Missile, however, homes in on Radio/Micro wave radiation.


Across the electromagnetic spectrum different radiation exist due to different wavelength/frequency. So Radio waves are of different wavelength than Infra Red, so need different methods to detect. You cannot detect radio waves with Infra Red detecting electronics, like semi-conductor devices....


So Piranha 1 homes in on Radio/Microwave emissions......while AIM 9 Sidewinders home in on Infra red.

Both missiles home in on electromagnetic radiation...but which type.....that depends on the target.

Hope that helps.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Wasnt it MAR-1??

MAR-1 was announced and got much publicity, and I always wondered how come PAF entered in such a small deal of just 100 MAR-1, I guess a certain part of the deal was never made public, just like PAF.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Hi, does it make sense to have so many different short range AAMs? The PAF has AIM-9 sidewinders, Matra R550s, PL-5E, PL-9, now MAA-1A Piranha, and potentially MMA-1B and Denel Darters... The cost and logistics of maintaining such a diverse inventory would be high. Take care.[/QUOTE

A variety in such weapons is always advantageous, as the opponent will have hard time guessing what kind of missile their planes will be facing and thus difficulty equipping them with appropriate counter measures.

Secondly, looking at the love affair developing between US and India, it is of vital importance to have alternate sources of critical weapons, which are not prone to restrictions, much cheaper than American and European weapons, and possibility of technology transfer.

Good thinking on the part of military leadership, they started on this route around 2006/07 when US was being very chummy due to WOT, and now looming at where are relations are now, I highly commend and appreciate our military leaderships thinking and far sightedness.

 

[Thorough Pro]

what kind of radiation U talking about?? Isn't that infra-red radiation or heat radiation or electromagnetic radiation something else???....
In my little knowledge I guess it shold be electromagnetic radiation from their radars or electronic equipments etc......

Radiation means any source of electro-magnetic radiation, in this specific case Radars. MAR-1 is a dedicated SEAD (suppression of enemy air defences = Radars)weapon, which has a range of 50~75 miles depending on launching platform altitude, speed, weather conditins etc.

 

[Zarvan]

If Pakistan gets these Missiles on which fighter Plane they will be used will they be used in JF-17 Thunder Block 2 ?

 

[SBD-3]

Matra are used on our mirages and Aim-9 on our f-16's .while PL-5E,PL-9,MAA-1A will be used on our current jf-17's and MAA-1B and A-Darter on our block2 jf-17's .PAF will have a large fleet of jf-17's so going for AAM from different sources seems wise option because you simply can't load your 250 jf-17's with same kind of missiles ,can you?

JFTs are using PL-5 II E and I havent seen PL-9 on PAF Jets yet (May have been dropped in fav or PL-5IIE.
AFAIK, MAA-1A were in service with BrAF early Mirages and since those platforms were most probably retired, PAF had an excellent alternative for Martas at a fraction of the cost.