PAF & Rafale Story Will Not Go Away !

[Raider 21]

The UAEAF consists of about 4,000 personnel.

In the 1970s and 80s, the UAEAF was instructed by Pakistan Air Force pilots on Dassault Mirage IIIs, the backbone of the UAEAF at the time. Even today, many of the personnel are ex-Pakistan Air Force officers and technicians. Most of the flying instructors at Al Ain are from Pakistan, training pilots using Grob G 115, Pilatus PC-7, Aermacchi MB-339, andBAE Hawk 63 aircraft. A few officers of No. 12 Squadron (Hawk 102) at Al Minhad Air Base, are also from the Pakistan Air Force. Some of these officers are on deputation (active service), but most are on civilian contracts with the Air Force Headquarters in Abu Dhabi. Numerous officers of other nationalities have also trained UAE pilots, among them Pakistanis, Moroccans, Canadians, Jordanians, and South Africans.

Its a known fact. Pakistani pilots have flown M2k from UAE, and EFT's in Saudia too. In fact, until a few years ago (I don't know about today), majority of AD controllers in KSA's AWACS, were Pakistani AF AD controllers.

That experience went directly into building the ZDK AWACS system, all these are known facts, nothing is so special or hidden.....

The UAEAF training part is true. But flying EFTs and Mirage 2000s is repeated bullshit again and again and again....

 

[Globalwarrior]

PAf iaf
Chaddi buddies

 

[S A L M A N.]

While the Indians have a tendency to exaggerate, this is exactly what you can gain by having other countries depend on you for their training needs.
It will be in Pakistan's greatest national interest to maintain the qualitative superiority of its air force and keep the Arab countries dependant on it for their training needs.
No country is a friend when national interest is concerned. We must utilize their needs and weaknesses (i.e. training and lack of quality personnel in quantity) to the uttermost.

 

[LeGenD]

Different countries are likely to have exposure to different types of hardware through diplomatic channels and bilateral relationships.

Indians have had access to Western hardware and options as well. They have checked and studied F-16 variants up close for instance - made no difference whatsoever.

Pakistani pilots are of higher quality than their Indian counterparts on average - this is the key difference. PAF is better organized, managed, and tactically sound institution by and large.

 

[crankthatskunk]

nothing new

paf trained on RAF gnats and hawker hunters in 1960s on exchange duties

(MM alam had plenty of hours on the hunter )



PAF pilots based in UAE as trainers have access to M2Ks for a long time now ,


PAF pilots on exchange duties with PLAAF have thoroughly tested and flown the MKK flanker


india should ask for F 22 to have any real chance against PAF

That's where they will be going very soon, after Rafale bubble has busted.
Another $15bn+ foray to show to the Indians we are "Supa Powa".

 

[manga]

So if indian pilots trained on f35/22, india will beat f22 with mki ?
Lolz in desperation imagination of some people has dipped to embarassing levels.

 

[Surya 1]

If Pakistani pilots trained on Rafale, then its weapons system has already been compromised

This would be a serious violation of the India-France secrecy pact, whether by intent or by default remains to be seen.

ABHIJIT IYER-MITRA 11 April, 2019 4:45 pm IST

A Rafale fighter aircraft | Pascal Le Segretain/Getty Images

The revelation that Pakistani pilots reportedly trained on Qatar’s Rafale fighter jets with a configuration similar to our own represents a major security breach, in that it significantly compromises a weapons system even before it has entered service with the Indian Air Force, if proven true.

The question is, what is the nature of the breach, the possible damage, the legal implications and how is it different from other such cases (for example, both China and India operate the Sukhoi Su-30, and both Israel and Egypt operate the F-16).

The Qatari Rafales share several similarities with the Indian aircraft, notably the RBE 2 active radar, the Spectra electronic warfare (EW) system, and the vaunted long-range Meteor air-to-air and SCALP ground attack missiles. Now, while pilots are not taught the complete physics of jamming that the Spectra system would use, trained pilots would know what modes to use and how. This would allow the pilot to extrapolate the full range of the jet’s passive and active capabilities. Given the state of ongoing tension between Qatar and its neighbours, these Pakistani pilots will also possibly have the opportunity to size up the Rafale against the F-16 of the UAE’s air force. Tellingly, this F-16 versus Rafale combo is exactly the combat scenario on the India-Pakistan front as well. So, while the EW systems won’t be compromised, the Rafale’s capabilities will become known to the Pakistan Air Force.

Also read: IAF wants fresh info from France as concern rises over reports of Pakistani pilots’ Rafale training

The radar, however, is a different story altogether, and it is safe to say that it now stands almost entirely compromised, not in that it can be jammed, but rather in what it can do. Any training will explore the maximum possible capacities of all systems including radars. This would include the maximum range, the resolution, the nature and calibre of information and data sharing between Rafales, the tactical tricks it uses in the radar spectrum and its strengths and weaknesses. They will also learn what the maximum flight covers, and the tracking and detection capabilities of a whole host of mated missiles such as the Meteor, SCALP and Mica as well as the tricks associated with their launch.

For example, the Rafale’s RBE 2 radar does not have a two-way link with the Meteor (that is to say, the Rafale can feed information to the missile, but the missile cannot feed information back to the plane). This means that even after firing the missile, the Rafale jet has to keep flying and track the target till the much smaller radar on the missile’s nose detects the target. Knowledge of the time and distance gap between how far the Rafale has to follow the Meteor before it can break off the attack and allow the missile to take over is critical information that could help evolve a set of viable tactics to counter the Meteor-Rafale combination.

Given that India’s purchase of the Rafale was to overcome the shortcomings of the Sukhoi, specifically the range required to reach the Chinese Eastern Seaboard, it is safe to assume that the range of the Rafale, in all possible configurations, is now known to the Pakistanis who will duly pass it on to the Chinese.

https://theprint.in/opinion/if-paki...s-system-has-already-been-compromised/220180/

Then congratulations to Pakistan. India bought a compromised plane at a huge price.

 

[blueazure]

Then congratulations to Pakistan. India bought a compromised plane at a huge price.

yeap

7 rafales will bring pak to its knees ,

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last time, it was the MKI that was supposed to 'blow away' paf from the sky ,

mini awacs , they called it ?

 

[Beefeatergin]

The paf probably knows the Rafael more than iaf where it is likely that most of their Rafael pilots got to see it for the first time last week

 

[The Eagle]

No such thing happened. French Ambassador busted this:
https://www.thequint.com/news/world...fly-rafale-qatari-air-force-french-government

No need to confront as such. This is a forum and people will discuss the subject and after the OP article writer seems to be Indian Analyst. Secondly, keep calm and there's nothing to be afraid about even that French Ambassador wasn't needed to bust a mere piece of alleged lies like that but seems like he was inquired about, felt the necessity and had to calm his insecure client having no other choice but call it a bust. No worries IAF, however.

 

[zeeshe100]

 

[Windjammer]

Former PAF pilot and now an international security analyst Squadron Leader (R) Fahad Masood Analysing the Rafale and the IAF.

 

[Imran Khan]

this is painful situation man why you guys break heart of 1.3 billion people ?

 

[bahadur]

Former PAF pilot and now an international security analyst Squadron Leader (R) Fahad Masood Analysing the Rafale and the IAF.

very bad , indians should have known it earliar .

 

[truthseeker2010]

this is painful situation man why you guys break heart of 1.3 billion people ?

Don't worry, indians can't comprehend talks like these.