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PAF participates in "Red Flag" and "Green Flag"

is the exercise is over or stilll in processs and what the green flag is more extansive than red flag and who host the green flag and do they throw chalanges in red flag against naval warefare to fighter pilots to how to coop with naval threats
 
is the exercise is over or stilll in processs and what the green flag is more extansive than red flag and who host the green flag and do they throw chalanges in red flag against naval warefare to fighter pilots to how to coop with naval threats

Yeah Red Flag is over. Green Flag is hosted by the United States Air Force at Nellis AFB, same as Red Flag. Yeah I'm sure in Green Flag you have pilots flying against destroyers or aircraft carriers stationed in the Nevada desert.
 
Yeah Red Flag is over. Green Flag is hosted by the United States Air Force at Nellis AFB, same as Red Flag. Yeah I'm sure in Green Flag you have pilots flying against destroyers or aircraft carriers stationed in the Nevada desert.

no green flag is for CAS = close air support for ground troops......

PAF really needs to perfect their skills in this kind of warfare as our troops in swat/waziristan needs help!
 
and btw in this green flag exercise we might see PAF f-16s in action, because i heard in green flag fighters usually carry live bombs..
 
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A four-ship of F-16 Fighting Falcons lead by F-16B block 15 #90615 from 9 Sqn, the PAF head to the fight after refuelling on July 21, 2010 during Red Flag 10-4
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PAF F-16B block 15 #90613 from 9 Sqn is seen coming into land at Nellis AFB during Red Flag 10-4 on July 29, 2010.
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PAF F-16B block 15 #92618 from 9 Sqn is seen departing Nellis AFB during Red Flag 10-4 on July 27, 2010
 
no green flag is for CAS = close air support for ground troops......

PAF really needs to perfect their skills in this kind of warfare as our troops in swat/waziristan needs help!

I know what Green Flag is. And yeah I know what is CAS, I was teasing Super Falcon. CAS is probably the toughest kind of flying and exercise involved with the ground. Even the instructors admit it.
 
will Pakistan leave those F-16 in US for MLU or bring them back?
 
They will stay there for green flag.
MLU is being done by TAI of turkey.

Not all of it will be done in TAI so i asked if those few will be MLU in US!
It makes more sense to leave them there instead of flying them back and again sending them over, while MLU completion time period is end of 2011.
 
Pakistan Air Force trains at Nellis


August 6, 2010 (by Capt. Ashley Norris) - It took six days and four stops for six Pakistan Air Force pilots to fly six F-16Bs over 7,700 miles from Mushaf Air Base in northern Pakistan to Las Vegas to fly and train in Red Flag 10-4 and Green Flag 10-9 exercises at Nellis AFB.

Approximately 100 maintenance, support and aircrew personnel arrived here in mid-July and have already completed the intense two-week Red Flag exercise, which concentrates on large force combat employment.

"Red Flag has given the PAF the opportunity to deploy its assets and personnel around the world," said Group Captain Javad Saeed, the Pakistan Detachment commander. "It has also provided a contemporary air combat training environment for our less experienced aircrew members."

The PAF flew 57 air interdiction sorties in 12 days. "For PAF to participate in Red Flag, it required training and proficiency on air-to-air refueling operations," Captain Saeed said. The PAF, with U.S. Air Force support, was able to gain that proficiency and refuel 50 times for a total transfer of 110,900 pounds of jet fuel.

The captain said deploying to Nellis has given them the opportunity to interact and operate in a joint environment, allowing every person, unit and nation involved to learn from each other. He added that Red Flag provides a rich training environment shaped by different professional forces and nations.

Red Flag 10-4 had personnel from 16 different countries, including units from Pakistan, Singapore and Saudi Arabia. Also participating was a NATO unit from Germany and U.S. Navy, Marines and Air Force units.

"The Pakistan Air Force's participation in this world-class exercise helps to build international air force cooperation, interoperability and mutual support," said Vice Adm. Michael LeFever, the U.S. Defense representative to Pakistan.

"The participation, together in this exercise, is not only valuable but also essential in that allied forces are the key to success," said Col. Don Godier, 20th Fighter Wing vice commander and Air Expeditionary Wing commander for Red Flag.

Captain Saeed said that Pakistan's participation in Red Flag was useful, adding that he felt the best thing was the debriefing methodology and the tools used to bring out valid lessons.

The Pakistan Air Force didn't leave after Red Flag but is staying for an additional three weeks in order to participate in Green Flag 10-9. Green Flag runs from Aug. 8-19 and is an exercise that focuses on close air support of ground troops. Joint terminal attack controllers working on the ground talk to pilots flying overhead and direct them in to provide close air support on the 1,000-square-mile National Training Center near Fort Irwin, Calif.

"Pakistan and the U.S. have participated in normally scheduled exercises since 2006," said Capt. Lisa Spilinek, chief of media operations for U.S. Air Force Central Command Public Affairs. "These exercises are designed to improve U.S. and Pakistani interoperability, enhance security relationships and demonstrate U.S. resolve to support the security and humanitarian interests of our friends and allies in the region."

"The Green Flag exercise will be a new experience for us... something new that we are looking forward to as a whole," Captain Saeed said. "Participating in both exercises gives us an opportunity to understand each other culturally and professionally, which is crucial for forces and nations dependent on each other, working for common objectives."

These unique exercises allow the U.S. and Pakistan the opportunity to enhance air force interoperability and show mutual support. By coming to Nellis to participate in Red Flag 10-4, both air forces' personnel have improved their skills and worked with and learned from one another. Green Flag 10-9 will provide the opportunity for continued growth.

http://www.f-16.net/news_article4168.html
 
Refueling: The rate of fuel flow between boom and drogue is very different, in favor of the boom. The boom was developed by the USAF to refuel B-52's on their way to nuke somebody, and the need to transfer vast amounts of fuel quickly was important. The US Navy went basket, because the need to do this wasn't as critical.

Where the boom shines is that it can refuel a flight (and get them back in combat or on station) MUCH faster than the basket. You can top off an F-16 in probably 1/4 the time, although I don't know the exact difference in fuel flow.

If there is a choice, boom is superior.
Superior only if you, in fact, require the quicker rate of fuel transfer. In Pakistan's case, the enemy is right next-door, we don't have to fly over the Pacific to strike at any reasonable target.

On the other hand, it seems reasonable to assume that it is far easier to modify an aircraft by adding a probe than it is to create space for a boom. In addition, probe-drogue seems to be the standard method of aerial refueling around the world, which is always a better choice for a country that wants to diversify its aircraft inventory.

In other words, in the case of Pakistan, probe-drogue may just be superior.
 
Captain Saeed said that Pakistan's participation in Red Flag was useful, adding that he felt the best thing was the debriefing methodology and the tools used to bring out valid lessons.

Smart! He's thinking - I wonder if could get more details - how is this different?
 
Not all of it will be done in TAI so i asked if those few will be MLU in US!
It makes more sense to leave them there instead of flying them back and again sending them over, while MLU completion time period is end of 2011.

4 a/c are being MLUed in the US. rest in Turkey and by some reports at Kamra too.
 

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