PAF ordered to shoot down US drones invading Pakistani airspace: Air Chief Sohail Aman

[LeGenD]

The only advantage the F-22 and F-35 have is that they reduce the Radar detection range for example a Radar detects a target in a diameter of say 300 km if there is a F-22 the detection range will fall to 150 km and F-22 will find gaps with in the defense system to fly through. to counter this in a defensive stance you need more and more Short range SAM that maintain Radar silence and come online once the long range Radar detects an intruder and thus trapping any such activity.

Do you even understand the fundamentals of stealth?

Both F-22 and F-35 have coatings that deflect and/or scatter radar beams from their surface and they are equipped with a number of countermeasures against radar systems in general. In-fact, their footprint (RCS) is so small that it is virtually impossible to tell that the object in focus is even a Jet or something else.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that any country has the capability to intercept and challenge those aircraft in combat situations. There are reports of F-22 Raptor surprising both Russian and Iranian combat aircraft in different instances:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/how-f-22-is-deconflicting-u-s-russia-operations-over-syria.503754/
https://theaviationist.com/2013/09/19/f-22-f-4-intercept/
http://www.businessinsider.com/here...-lethal-combat-plane-is-doing-in-syria-2017-6

Just recently, Russians are complaining that how a single F-22 Raptor discouraged two of its combat aircraft from engaging a target in Syria. Did it ever occur to you that in-spite of deployment of an S-400 system in Syria, Russians are unable to threaten F-22 Raptors over Syrian airspace and mostly complain about their bullying?

Learn more about the limitations of targeting F-22 and F-35 from these links:

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-F22-st...se-advancement-in-radar-and-thermal-detection
http://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-russia-china-radar-counter-stealth-2017-5

 

[tarrar]

Very good things were said during this conference & he spoke on valid things. Well done

 

[Lucky Breeze]

Do you even understand the fundamentals of stealth?

Both F-22 and F-35 have coatings that deflect and/or scatter radar beams from their surface and they are equipped with a number of countermeasures against radar systems in general. In-fact, their footprint (RCS) is so small that it is virtually impossible to tell that the object in focus is even a Jet or something else.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that any country has the capability to intercept and challenge those aircraft in combat situations. There are reports of F-22 Raptor surprising both Russian and Iranian combat aircraft in different instances:

Hope the sanity will prevail. Americans are known for having simple and effective solutions for their problems. Standing on a stance gently and reasonably is good but getting aggressive will make things worse.
Say if we try to blackmail US on supply route we can't do it for a longer time. Because the opportunists are just waiting for the right time. (ref: chabahar port)

 

[jamal18]

I think PAF rather than reinvent the wheel, will stick to what’s available and perfect it. Going for an original design will push PAF back by many years and by the time it’s available, better options will be in the marketplace such as TFX which PAF has hinted to acquire. In my view, PAF will make a customized version of the FC-31 to replace Mirages and counter Indian Rafael fighters and will ultimately buy the TFX to replace F-16s and even JF-17s.

The PAF has always gone for, industrially the safest and most sensible path. They will accept proven technology rather then the expense and delay of re-inventing the wheel.
Just my 2 paisa.

 

[LeGenD]

Hope the sanity will prevail. Americans are known for having simple and effective solutions for their problems. Standing on a stance gently and reasonably is good but getting aggressive will make things worse. Say if we try to blackmail US on supply route we can't do it for a longer time. Because the opportunists are just waiting for the right time. (ref: chabahar port)

My brother,

I don't think Pakistan will risk an armed confrontation with the US. However, it is important (and justifiable) to inform all stakeholders in Afghanistan to respect Pakistani sovereignty.

Unfortunately, US doesn't have a good track record of respecting Pakistani sovereignty during the course of its war in Afghanistan; they have a history of conducting unilateral operations inside Pakistan (Operation Neptune Spear being the most notable incident). In-fact, some of the drone strikes were carried out unilaterally.

 

[TOPGUN]

Able to shot down drone - yes , The will to do by PAF - yes , Will be done - perhaps not .... the game is not as simple as many of us think.

 

[Lucky Breeze]

My brother,

I don't think Pakistan will risk an armed confrontation with the US. However, it is important (and justifiable) to inform all stakeholders in Afghanistan to respect Pakistani sovereignty.

Unfortunately, US doesn't have a good track record of respecting Pakistani sovereignty during the course of its war in Afghanistan; they have a history of conducting unilateral operations inside Pakistan (Operation Neptune Spear being the most notable incident). In-fact, some of the drone strikes were carried out unilaterally.

Bless you and all my prayers for Pakistan. PAKISTAN hamesha paindabad.

 

[sparten]

Do you even understand the fundamentals of stealth?

Both F-22 and F-35 have coatings that deflect and/or scatter radar beams from their surface and they are equipped with a number of countermeasures against radar systems in general. In-fact, their footprint (RCS) is so small that it is virtually impossible to tell that the object in focus is even a Jet or something else.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that any country has the capability to intercept and challenge those aircraft in combat situations. There are reports of F-22 Raptor surprising both Russian and Iranian combat aircraft in different instances:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/how-f-22-is-deconflicting-u-s-russia-operations-over-syria.503754/
https://theaviationist.com/2013/09/19/f-22-f-4-intercept/
http://www.businessinsider.com/here...-lethal-combat-plane-is-doing-in-syria-2017-6

Just recently, Russians are complaining that how a single F-22 Raptor discouraged two of its combat aircraft from engaging a target in Syria. Did it ever occur to you that in-spite of deployment of an S-400 system in Syria, Russians are unable to threaten F-22 Raptors over Syrian airspace and mostly complain about their bullying?

Learn more about the limitations of targeting F-22 and F-35 from these links:

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-F22-st...se-advancement-in-radar-and-thermal-detection
http://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-russia-china-radar-counter-stealth-2017-5

Learn the limitations of the F22. Sure its a great plane. But the bases its flies from are not magically hidden either., If there is a (very very unlikely, but lets use for our hypothetical) cade where there is conflict then Russia ir PAF is not going to engage is a fair fight. No, both us and the Russians can track the F22 just fine using VHF RADARS. If the Raptors start attacking our planes, the PAF HQ is going to tell everyone avoid fighting the F22 and then simply take out the F22 base with missile and standoff air attack.

I am not for war or conflict. I think its a bad thing for our country. But saying "oh shyt, Raptor", is stupid.

 

[BATMAN]

Able to shot down drone - yes , The will to do by PAF - yes , Will be done - perhaps not .... the game is not as simple as many of us think.

Why you think US drones will not be shot down?

 

[LeGenD]

Learn the limitations of the F22. Sure its a great plane. But the bases its flies from are not magically hidden either., If there is a (very very unlikely, but lets use for our hypothetical) cade where there is conflict then Russia ir PAF is not going to engage is a fair fight. No, both us and the Russians can track the F22 just fine using VHF RADARS. If the Raptors start attacking our planes, the PAF HQ is going to tell everyone avoid fighting the F22 and then simply take out the F22 base with missile and standoff air attack.

I am not for war or conflict. I think its a bad thing for our country. But saying "oh shyt, Raptor", is stupid.

Kindly highlight those limitations. No radar system can detect an F-22 Raptor in a reliable manner. Kindly check the links that I have cited in my previous response.

Russians failed to threaten a single F-22 Raptor over Syrian airspace; even their mighty S-400 system was not up to the task. It is easy to talk about threatening an F-22 Raptor in theory but ask those who have been on the receiving end of these Jets in Syria and other regions.

Also, do you even have a clue about the 'situational awareness' of an F-22 Raptor? To give you an idea:

"Meanwhile, as the enemy systems scour the skies for any trace of the F-35, the F-35 sees all of those radar emissions and can pinpoint the air defenses and enemy planes.

Where legacy planes had to choose between lethality and survivability on a mission, the F-35 can do four, 16, or even 32 things at a time, meaning that while air and ground threats look for the stealth jet, the F-35 can drop bombs to smash them, according to Flatley."

Learn more about the 'situational awareness' of an F-22 Raptor from these sources:

https://theaviationist.com/2015/08/15/f-22-kinetic-situational-awareness/
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-f...ucial-situational-awareness-over-syria-2015-8

And they won't come from airstrips in Afghanistan. If US is to threaten Pakistan in a proactive manner (God forbid), it will strike from various angles. And even before a shot is fired, heavy sanctions will be imposed and India will be taken on-board.

 

[TOPGUN]

Why you think US drones will not be shot down?

Politics and policies my friend simply , you can contact PAF directly to conform it will never ever happen.

 

[undercover JIX]

Blame game is not a solution when it comes to defence and protecting your country.

PAF, Army and Navy are to defend boarders this is their only responsibly. anything violates act and stop it shoot or whatever means necessary, if civilian Govt have any issue let them produce agreement / arrangement with the other country formally and forces act accordingly. until then defend your area of responsibility no excuses no blames.

 

[BATMAN]

Politics and policies my friend simply , you can contact PAF directly to conform it will never ever happen.

It may not happen because US will probably stop crossing Pakistan border, but when chief stated publically.... than I have no reason to doubt he'll react otherwise.

What I understand...., ball was always in court of politicians and that's why US drones had clemency.

What worries me, is that Chief pointed only at US, and no mention of India. Yes India's tiny drones are shot down by border guards of Army but in past Indian fighter jets /submarine was let unscratched.

 

[BRAVO_]

no body considering one crucial point here ....... in past Americans were assisting Pakistan economically with the time they withdraw that assistance and china came in to scene ... through CPEC their investment has already crossed much higher than the american assistance of past and in future pakistan is eyeing on the 10% of total trad of china through pakistani ports, then why they will really care about americans who are sitting in afghanistan just for one single reason i.e. to destabilize the region and to keeping an eye on russia and China? and believe me if pakistan has said that then it is not just a statement from pakistan but behind the curtain china is supporting them too

 

[AshishDelhi]

Able to shot down drone - yes , The will to do by PAF - yes , Will be done - perhaps not .... the game is not as simple as many of us think.

Perhaps? They will never shoot a US drone