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PAF Heroes Who Surprised India !

I disagree with your statement that only India makes unsubstantiated claims with inadequate evidence. DG ISPR has not done any better. Maj. Gen. Ghafoor has only claimed about MKI and has not offered any worthwhile proof. This lack of proof has not stopped him from repeating claims about downing an MKI. The opinion of a western person associated with US is accepted when it is favourable, though when high ranking US officials allege that Pakistan is harming Afganistan, Pakistanis reject these accusations.

In PDF itself respectable members have claimed info from high level contacts to definitively say that an MKI was down but some are now limiting themselves to saying that data seems to support this but it is not definitive. Many here have just accepted that an MKI was down just like the opposite claim (F-16) in Indian forums. There are quite a few loopholes and inconsistencies in the arguments of both sides.

IMO both sides employ the same tactics and logic but accuse the other side of doing so while absolving themselves. The shallowness of logic presented and the subsequent lapping up of the same only proves how much lower down the maturity and intellectual level we people revel in.

Well i agree that PAF claim is not substantiated by non deniable proof but proofs are really significant.

The BVR was fired.
The aircraft got disappered from 3 radars at the exact moment of missile was supposed to hit
The aircraft never return to radar.
The wingman and mirrages flee the scene after the attack.

All this indicates to a confirm kill or at minimum an air superiority or control or upper hand of PAF over the MKIs

On the other hand Indian claim is comoletely absurd.

First of all the claim was that f16 was shot by abhi whereas his all missile were found unfired.
Abhi himself never claimed the honor.
F16 got disappeared from 1 radar only which is the only basis of claim and that could be for any reason.
 
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What Indians says, does not require thread to be posted with single picture. In-fact, I will let them live in denial for a while until there is another surprise by the same Hero. Only thing that these Indians have to live with, is the fantasized superiority. Furthermore, Indian Propaganda Cells are well organized to run campaigns as such to fool their own public which is vulnerable to the core being extra nationalist as well as insecure of falsified supremacy.
 

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