PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[Nasr]

I seriously doubt that Pakistan is going to get F-16 Block-70s. And even if it is, then why in the world would it ever go for these aircraft? I doubt that Pakistan can forget what happened with F-16s in 1983, nor what happened with the Super-Saber program, or what happened to the AH-1Zs, lastly what happened with the Block-52s that Pakistan was gonna by through FMS/USM-AID. And even if that is the case, and America has had a change of heart (yeah right!!!) then instead of buying new Block-70s, Pakistan should be buying older Block-40s and putting them through upgrades on to Block-52 or Block-V standards. Far more important is that Pakistan stockpile massive quantities of F-16 parts to ensure that aren't ever caught off guard again.

 

[Khafee]

Sorry for my knowledge or being lazy to read full thread can you please tell me are we getting news jets or only old jets are refurbished.
Please explain in tongue of the common folk.

You are getting A5's from China. The US will give you the radars, you turn that into a Blk 90

 

[war&peace]

possibly
but we are not even close
the conspiracies against our peace plan can already started through assassinations and terror attacks in Afghanistan
we might end up getting blamed for failure instead of any recognition for our efforts

Conspiracies will backfire if ISI and CIA work together and I think ISI chief went there for a reason.

 

[Philip the Arab]

The Question is: "Why is the US reaching out to the Pakistan?"

Two reasons:
1) China - Pakistan has slid so far into the Chinese camp, that is now a de facto province. Something which is extremely worrying for the Americans.

The Feb hostilities saw 3 PLAAF squadrons go to standby - in order to assist Pakistan if needed. PLAN sent 4 SSK , and 3 boomers, at least two Type 55 destroyers, other assets were also sent later after the ISI chiefs visit. PLA also went to full war time alert, ready to move in.

This is the main reason why IN choose to sleep out the hostilities.

2) India - I told someone from the west, a year ago, "building India up against China, is like making the village idiot your sheriff"

He laughed it off, but he quietly made a note, scribbled away, while looking at me straight in the eye.

India's incompetence hasn't gone unnoticed, neither has them becoming an economic threat to the US. To contain them, and move Pak away from the Chinese camp, to whatever extent possible. These are the two goals.

The US has a list of some 10~20 companies that are critical to National Security, LM, Boeing Raytheon, Cisco etc. Sensitive data has been steadily flowing to India, China, Russia, Israel, courtesy of Indians. The deep state has realized its folly, AND no president will work against the deep state.

The trade balance being lopsided, doesn't help them either.

As far as people giving all the credit to Afgh for this revert, If any of you remember the Muree talks, it was decided THEN, that should the US exit, Pak will insure that its interests are looked after adequately.

Imran Khan, wants to make a change, a fundamental change in Pak, but decades old rot, bogs him down. He also has the support of the Army. All these things combined, has assured the US that Pakistan can be a useful ally after all.

Last but not the least, Pakistan's oil reserves slightly more than the UK's at 21bn BBL (min) doesn't hurt either. By comparison Oman's Reserves are at 5.3bn BBL (approx).

Once all options are exploited, Pakistan will be exporting 1.2m bpd ~ 1.4m bpd. (this figure is after deducting domestic consumption).

InShaAllah great times ahead

Pakistan Zindabad

Oh are you Pakistani and Arab m8? I get this weird vibe from you.

 

[Trailer23]

Sorry for my knowledge or being lazy to read full thread can you please tell me are we getting news jets or only old jets are refurbished.
Please explain in tongue of the common folk.

Well as @Khafee has stated that they are Block 72, which means they're going to be brand-spanking-new off the assembly line in South Carolina.

No AirForce currently has the Block 70/72

12-15 months

Emmm, not that i'm questioning your reply, but there are quite a few other AirForces that have placed (confirmed) orders.
1. Bahrain
2. Slovakia
3. Iraq
4. Morocco
5. Taiwan (debatable)
6. Bulgaria

But then, it all depends on whom they'd like to prioritize.

 

[war&peace]

You are getting A5's from China. The US will give you the radars, you turn that into a Blk 90

But A5 were retired quite sometime ago...

 

[Yaseen1]

We've pretty much exhausted our options here on PDF.

1. We're never really able to get European (SAAB/EuroFighter) jets because they have American parts - well played. And that is when we're NOT in the US Camp.

2. When we're in the US Camp, they expect us to buy from them.

3. France is basically India now.

4. Russian jets... Well its a different argument altogether because if its not India, its that their jets are not up to PAF requirements.

5. China is all that we do have.

u.s relationship with us not seems longterm if they withdraw from afghanistan completely they will leave us alone and we will not be important for them but if they maintain presence in the region we can get some benefit

 

[YeBeWarned]

SD-10's were sent from PLAAF inventory.

so its safe to say now we have X number of SD-10's in our inventory ? I doubt PAF did send those missiles back after the tensions are subsided .

 

[war&peace]

I would wait until the Chicks actually hatch. Right now the chicken hasnt laid the eggs, we’ve just been told it will.

Your source is different than OP?

 

[Khafee]

Oh are you Pakistani and Arab m8? I get this weird vibe from you.

I dont like it when guys get vibes from me. Only members of the opposite gender are given that courtesy.

Kindly switch of your vibe detecting system. Thank You

 

[Philip the Arab]

Well as @Khafee has stated that they are Block 72, which means they're going to be brand-spanking-new off the assembly line in South Carolina.

No AirForce currently has the Block 70/72

Emmm, not that i'm questioning your reply, but there are quite a few other AirForces that have placed (confirmed) orders.
1. Bahrain
2. Slovakia
3. Iraq
4. Morocco
5. Taiwan (debatable)
6. Bulgaria

But then, it all depends on whom they'd like to prioritize.

Aren't they upgradeable? American AESA is much better than KLJ-7A though and will probably be much better in A-A combat especially than the JF-17 block 3.

Why can Pakistan not produce its own radars? Taiwan after having help for earlier radars is producing two AESA radars fot its jets from seperate companies using its indigenous semi conductor production as an asset.

 

[Khafee]

But A5 were retired quite sometime ago...

He is too lazy to read the first two lines, of the 1st post, on this thread. Hence me pulling his leg.

so its safe to say now we have X number of SD-10's in our inventory ? I doubt PAF did send those missiles back after the tensions are subsided .

They are for keeps.

 

[MastanKhan]

The Question is: "Why is the US reaching out to the Pakistan?"

Two reasons:
1) China - Pakistan has slid so far into the Chinese camp, that is now a de facto province. Something which is extremely worrying for the Americans.

The Feb hostilities saw 3 PLAF squadrons go to standby - in order to assist Pakistan if needed. PLAN sent 4 SSK , and 3 boomers, at least two Type 55 destroyers, other assets were also sent later after the ISI chiefs visit. PLA also went to full war time alert, ready to move in.

This is the main reason why IN choose to sleep out the hostilities.

2) India - I told someone from the west, a year ago, "building India up against China, is like making the village idiot your sheriff"

He laughed it off, but he quietly made a note, scribbled away, while looking at me straight in the eye.

India's incompetence hasn't gone unnoticed, neither has them becoming an economic threat to the US. To contain them, and move Pak away from the Chinese camp, to whatever extent possible. These are the two goals.

The US has a list of some 10~20 companies that are critical to National Security, LM, Boeing Raytheon, Cisco etc. Sensitive data has been steadily flowing to India, China, Russia, Israel, courtesy of Indians. The deep state has realized its folly, AND no president will work against the deep state.

The trade balance being lopsided, doesn't help them either.

As far as people giving all the credit to Afgh for this revert, If any of you remember the Muree talks, it was decided THEN, that should the US exit, Pak will insure that its interests are looked after adequately.

Imran Khan, wants to make a change, a fundamental change in Pak, but decades old rot, bogs him down. He also has the support of the Army. All these things combined, has assured the US that Pakistan can be a useful ally after all.

Last but not the least, Pakistan's oil reserves slightly more than the UK's at 21bn BBL (min) doesn't hurt either. By comparison Oman's Reserves are at 5.3bn BBL (approx).

Once all options are exploited, Pakistan will be exporting 1.2m bpd ~ 1.4m bpd. (this figure is after deducting domestic consumption).

InShaAllah great times ahead

Pakistan Zindabad

@Khafee,

I have written so much about this subject on this forum and I had wondered if I had lost it---but looking at what is happening---I realize that I still retain my sanity---.

The blame of this relationship is not only of the US---the major part falls on pakistan---. It is pakistan who did not know how to deal with the US---it is pakistan who did not know the military power of the US---.

It was some of the pakistani generals who wanted to make a vietnam of the US in AFG---. It was the pakistani members on this board who challenged the US to come and entangle pakistan military and they will show you how it is done ---.

Benzair came to power---she Zardari and her party saw the wealth that had come to pakistan---they went crazy---she sold Dr AQ and pak nuc program to the US and got entry back into pakistan politics---.

Nawaz did not want to be left behind---he sold out pakistan to India and thus got back in---. Nawaz and Hamid Mir became the main characters for the drama in mumbai created by the indian intel services---and today---Nawaz's daughter is creating unrest in the country---.

The OBL strike at Abbotabad was shocking in the sense that what did Obama wanted to do with pakistan---had he sold out Pakistan's interests to India---but the biggest shock was that why did the pak military generals did not strike back tactically at the accusations being hurled at pakistan and pakistan's image being decimated worldwide---.

Why did Kiyani---Pasha & Qamar Suleiman keep quiet about the issue---? If they had only uttered a public statement that pak military was associated in helping take out OBL---pakistan's image would not have been decimated all over the world---.

We go from one internal conspiracy to the other---from one internal sabotage to the other---and that was coming right from the top---.

The american state got carried away in the rhetoric created by the indian media that it would confront china---and pakistan is nothing---the indians don't even prepare to fight pakistan at all---that is how easy it would be---.

I don't know how the US admin believed in that---but I am pretty sure some would be scratching their heads at where the US loyalty and support was headed---.

Then to top it off---US lets its most loyal ally after the UK slip out of its hands---put it on a platter and gave it to china---. Actually the US dumped its most loyal and obedient ally pakistan for India and sent them to china---.

Now that pakistan is firmly sitting in the chinese camp---and that the indian military is no match for china leave alone pakistan---maybe fresh questions were being asked in washington dc that how did we screw up so bad---.

The thing is that the US got greedy---it thought that india would be a great market for the US goods and if armed properly---india would take charge of china---. Amazing---how bad both these assessments were and yet no one in the US cared about it---.

 

[Khafee]

There is passion for our country.we know how we performed against iaf on Feb 27.we want more air battles and we want air Superiority and for air Superiority,we need more f-16s.i think we love this plane because it's amazing.this news make me crazy.it clearly means that visit of ik was successful.

Think of it as an interview for a job. IK passed, but so did Team PA.

 

[Philip the Arab]

OK my knowledge of jets is limited and stuff but I am not stupid

Wikipedia m8. I probably know every single modern combat jet that is operated today from hours of reading and know missiles, radars, etc.