PAF chief to attend F-16 ceremony in Texas

[nightrider_saulat]

India has had BVR missles since 1990 ie for nearly 2 decades.

i amgine with over 300 bvr capable fighters in service they must have 4000+ BVR missles by now. R77 R27 from Russia & matra530 From France.

Amraam in PAF is rated better than all 3 of the above

are we getting AIM-120C from US?​

 

[deathfromabove]

Remember all Members on Defence PK dont be sooo Xcited over these F16s.

After sacrifies 1000 of our soilders and 1000000 of innconnet lives if even we will get 1000 of F16s..... never help us. Only Condition is US Immediatly leave Afghanistan". All problems solve on the same day when US Leave from Afghanistan.

About this F16 Topic nuthing special we dont have these F16s RIGHT NOW IN PAKISTAN thy are still in United (So called) UnitedStates. If any single RED signal from Pakistan GOP or ARMY side against US these F16 NEVER DELIVER to Pakistan.

Yes we dont have BVR yet and no chance from US side in BVR deal.

Thats very good step to move from US - China because we WANT TOT + good Weapon Supplier. I am not ANTI America i am working in US firm and also i have hunders of client and friends including Americans and Indians but YES i am Anti US govt because US Gov hold by "ZIONIST" and you guys very well know thr AGENDA!!

sorry to say these F16s never help us in such condition.

If you wanna see lets wait for few days months and years till thes F16 REAL TIME DELIVERY! US apply 10000 of Strings with these F16s these are just temporary dooz for accept "K-BILL" and "Accept our Strings".

We are actualy good people always trust on Americans thats the problem actually we never loose hope. We already suffering since last 20 years remember early US F16 deal in 1990s.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[fatman17]

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2009

Jane's Defence Weekly

Pakistan rolls out first F-16 Block 52

Eleanor Keymer Armed Forces Editor - London

Lockheed Martin has unveiled the first of 18 new Lockheed Martin F-16D aircraft for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), as the country looks to modernise its fleet of multirole fighter aircraft.

The Chief of the PAF, Air Chief Marshal Rao Quamar Suleman, accepted the F-16D Block 52 aircraft on behalf of the country at Lockheed Martin's Fort Worth facility, Texas, on 13 October. Speaking at the ceremony, Suleman said the roll-out demonstrated that the programme was "on track".

The acquisition forms part of Pakistan's 'Peace Drive I' programme, and comprises 12 single-seat F-16C and six twin-seat F-16D aircraft. The first aircraft is scheduled for delivery to the air force in June 2010 with the remainder to follow by December 2010.

The F-16C/Ds will be equipped with ITT Avionics AN/ALQ-173 electronics systems obtained via the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme. Eighteen Lockheed Martin AN/AAQ-33 Sniper pods have also been purchased as part of a different FMS contract and are due to be delivered to the PAF in December 2010.

Islamabad originally ordered 71 F-16A/B fighters from the US in 1989. However, due to budgetary issues and concerns surrounding Pakistan's nuclear programme, 11 aircraft were eventually built but never delivered. Islamabad restarted negotiations for additional F-16s in March 2005, but talks were subsequently placed on hold in the wake of the December 2005 earthquake. Then, in 2006, the US agreed to supply the PAF with a further 14 F-16A/B aircraft, which were delivered between December 2005 and July 2008.

The latest order for the 18 F-16 aircraft forms part of a wider contract, which includes 46 Falcon Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) kits for the PAF's existing F-16 inventory and the delivery of 24 to 26 ex-US Air Force F-16A/B aircraft complete with MLU kits to be modified in Pakistan.

 

[ice_man]

so it means Pakistan opted out of the wish to buy AN/ALQ-211(V)9 AIDEWS Pods....

and instead chose the Avionics AN/ALQ-173 electronics systems & Eighteen Lockheed Martin AN/AAQ-33 Sniper pods

i can't seem to find many countries that use the AN/ALQ-173 infact only Pakistan 7 Poland are the ones using them currently......and just guessing here but if these avionics pods suites are labelled according the newer ones with higher numbers then i am guessing AN 173 is a older version compared to the AN 211 that we earlier wished to purchase....meaning the AN 173 won't be as advanced......

 

[Sapper]

so it means Pakistan opted out of the wish to buy AN/ALQ-211(V)9 AIDEWS Pods....

and instead chose the Avionics AN/ALQ-173 electronics systems & Eighteen Lockheed Martin AN/AAQ-33 Sniper pods

i can't seem to find many countries that use the AN/ALQ-173 infact only Pakistan 7 Poland are the ones using them currently......and just guessing here but if these avionics pods suites are labelled according the newer ones with higher numbers then i am guessing AN 173 is a older version compared to the AN 211 that we earlier wished to purchase....meaning the AN 173 won't be as advanced......

Well, you are probably correct, but still cannot be sure as information on internet is quite contradictory.

I am posting the comprehensive list of AN/ALQ pods i could find ...
AN/ALQ to AN/ALT - Equipment Listing

 

[owais.usmani]

are we getting AIM-120C from US?​

500 AIM 120C-5 AMRAAMS to be exact.

 

[MastanKhan]

When dog get bone from his master he start licking his shoe thats what pakistani (airforce)are doing to American master.

Hanzo,

What do you think guy----is it time to get launched!

 

[Myth_buster_1]

so it means Pakistan opted out of the wish to buy AN/ALQ-211(V)9 AIDEWS Pods....

and instead chose the Avionics AN/ALQ-173 electronics systems & Eighteen Lockheed Martin AN/AAQ-33 Sniper pods

i can't seem to find many countries that use the AN/ALQ-173 infact only Pakistan 7 Poland are the ones using them currently......and just guessing here but if these avionics pods suites are labelled according the newer ones with higher numbers then i am guessing AN 173 is a older version compared to the AN 211 that we earlier wished to purchase....meaning the AN 173 won't be as advanced......

ice_man
a kind advice to you
dont expect specif items to be mentioned in every other news article so dont suppose we are not going to get them! Its only going to mislead other members who are not well informed. Alq-173 and ALQ-211 v9 are two different systems and as far as i know PAF will be getting both of them.

 

[fatman17]

from f-16 net forum
thought it was funny!

"Enjoy you're new F-16C/D Block 52+ Vipers Pakistan!
After all you've been flying Vipers since some of the boys pissing and moaning here could ride a tricycle!

Keep 'em flyin'
TEG"

 

[ice_man]

ice_man
a kind advice to you
dont expect specif items to be mentioned in every other news article so dont suppose we are not going to get them! Its only going to mislead other members who are not well informed. Alq-173 and ALQ-211 v9 are two different systems and as far as i know PAF will be getting both of them.

thank you for your kind advise!!! now can you explain to me the difference if they are two different systems and i know you will have to go really out of your way for a prick like me but please do give me a source saying that we are getting both.... and both are different systems!!!!!

 

[Sapper]

thank you for your kind advise!!! now can you explain to me the difference if they are two different systems and i know you will have to go really out of your way for a prick like me but please do give me a source saying that we are getting both.... and both are different systems!!!!!

I am copy posting from a web-site, seems authentic, but forgive me if i am wrong.

AN/ALQ-173 --- Blink Jammer; manufactured by Raytheon; used in EC-130H "COMPASS CALL"

AN/ALQ-211 --- SIRFC (Suite of Integrated RF Countermeasures); manufactured by ITT; used in MH-47E, MH-60K, AH-64D, RAH-66, U-2, CV-22

AN/ALQ to AN/ALT - Equipment Listing

 

[nightrider_saulat]

500 AIM 120C-5 AMRAAMS to be exact.

so it means that these missiles will be operational with thunders and vipers......and hopefully with F-7 PGs(with SD-10 as it's radar range is just above 100 km and and AIM-120C are considered to have more range then 100 KM)​

 

[Wingman]

gud!

but i think US pilots shud also get training of spirit and braveness from Pakistan!

I am sure they will..

 

[Sapper]

Just a crazy thought ...

Several PAF Pilots are in USA for F-16 B52 training/conversion.
Several of PAF's new F16s will be ready in USA next year and will undergo several months of IOC/FOC.

It can be possible that Pakistan can participate in one of the coming Red-Flag in 2010, we already have pilots, maintenance crew and equipment there, we shall capitalize on this and get the hands on battle (exercise) experience with these birds as well.

again, Just a crazy thought ...

 

[owais.usmani]

so it means that these missiles will be operational with thunders and vipers......and hopefully with F-7 PGs(with SD-10 as it's radar range is just above 100 km and and AIM-120C are considered to have more range then 100 KM)​

Actually its not that simple. I doubt that USA will allow Pakistan to integrate US built weapons on Chinese planes.

Let's wait and see what happens.