PAF Chief in China to discuss upgradation of JF-17, plans to acquire 200 fighters

[India defense]

We are lazy we just go to one retailer ...
India's picks scraps from everywhere ...
Maybe I am missing something but I am inclined to say "so"?

I did not know US sells scrap obviously except F16 since Pakistan buys it..so it can not be scrap.....

 

[princefaisal]

Indian Aircraft acquisitions:-

First Tejas squadron (40 MK1) is scheduled to enter service by 2017-2018.

36 Rafale aircrafts will be inducted in 2017.

40 upgraded Su-30MKIs with AESA radars capable of carrying the BrahMos cruise missile will be delivered by 2020.

Almost half of 120 T50 Pak-FA will be delivered by 2020.

Total of 176 advanced aircrafts will enter in Indian airforce from year 2017 to 2020.

 

[kaonalpha]

Indian Aircraft acquisitions:-

First Tejas squadron (40 MK1) is scheduled to enter service by 2017-2018.

36 Rafale aircrafts will be inducted in 2017.

40 upgraded Su-30MKIs with AESA radars capable of carrying the BrahMos cruise missile will be delivered by 2020.

Almost half of 120 T50 Pak-FA will be delivered by 2020.

Total of 176 advanced aircrafts will enter in Indian airforce from year 2017 to 2020.

Your point ?

 

[salman-1]

Your point ?

Brand new Scrap

 

[kaonalpha]

Brand new Scrap

Yes tejas Is scrap any other version will be new scrap

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Brand new Scrap

According to you T-50 PAKFA would be SCRAP???
The reset can be but not that...

 

[kaonalpha]

He is right to an extent. Due to financial constraints the PAK T-50 will be delayed but won't be scrap.

According to you T-50 PAKFA would be SCRAP???
The reset can be but not that...

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

He is right to an extent. Due to financial constraints the PAK T-50 will be delayed but won't be scrap.

I know it is facing problems and it is going to be delayed but the Russian's are smart, they have taken up the possibility to convert their debt to Yuan. Which is going to give enough finances to spare for developing the T-50.

I also understand that all the other aircraft that are going to join IAF are nothing more then Junks because those are 3-4 gen aircraft.

 

[salman-1]

Few days back i read on this forum if i remember correct the Russians are just lying to Indians for its development and an Indian Wing commander involved in that project opened the Pandora box for a number of failures regarding its avionics, Radar development and other related mis adventures. They have just robbed Indians for their $500 million or so in R&D and nothing is coming out for sure, more over Russian Govt have taken hands off it and decided to limit the program, as it would not become like F-35 Dark whole project which Pentagon could afford only not Russia

Russians scaled down their order to just 12 aircraft's from initial 55. And its sorry 5 billion dollars not 500$ million Indians have lost in it.

Delays and cost increases[edit]
In May 2012, the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced a two-year delay in the project's development. The then Defence Minister A K Antony had said that the FGFA would join the Indian Air Force by 2017. However, his deputy, M M Pallam Raju, told the Parliament that the fifth generation aircraft is scheduled to be certified by 2019, following which the series production will start.[29] Ashok Nayak, who spoke on the record as HAL's chairman before retiring, explained that the IAF have required 40-45 improvements made from the PAK-FA to meet Indian needs. These changes were then formally agreed upon between India and Russia.[29]

There is apprehension that the FGFA would significantly exceed its current $6 billion budget, because this figure reflects the expenditure on just the basic aircraft. Crucial avionics systems would cost extra. The Russian and Indian air forces each plan to purchase about 250 FGFAs, at an estimated $100 million per fighter for an $25 billion total, in addition to the development costs.[29] By October 2012, India had cut its total purchase size from 200 to 144 aircraft. India's initial investment had grown from $5 billion to $6 billion, and the estimated total programme cost had grown to $30 billion.[30]

In 2013, it was revealed that the Russian and Indian fighters would be using the same avionics.[31] Alexander Fomin said that "Both sides involved in this project are investing a lot into it, and on equal terms."[32] Russia later admitted to huge delays and cost overruns in the project.[33] The first prototype delivery has been delayed by one or two years. The contract has not be finalised, and the IAF has accused HAL of giving away up to half of India's share of the development work.[34][35] India contributes 15 percent of the research and development work, but provides half the cost.[36]

India has "raised questions about maintenance issues, the engine, stealth features, weapon carriage system, safety and reliability".[37] After repeated delays in the fighter's design and workshare arrangements Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said in January 2015, "We have decided to fast-track many of the issues."[38] The HAL is to receive three Russian prototypes, one per year from 2015 to 2017 for evaluation.[39]

On 9 March 2015, media outlets reported that the countries agreed to reduce the aircraft delivery time from 92 months to 36 months with the signing of the final agreement. India is also ready to forego a 50:50 work share to prevent further delays from absorption of a new technology; both countries agreed to manufacture the first batch of aircraft in Russia and for subsequent batches to be manufactured by HAL under transfer of technology.[40][41][42]

 

[princefaisal]

Rafale and Su-30 with AESA radars are serious threats especially the large quantity of Su-30. So not only PAF should increase the quantity of the F-16s and JF-17, but also improve the quality of the existing radars and missiles. T-darter & fifth generation short range missiles with HOBS be given priority. Similarly joint venture with Turkey for AESA radar will be beneficial. Remaining shortfall should be covered with lethal SAM's.

 

[Zarvan]

Rafale and Su-30 with AESA radars are serious threats especially the large quantity of Su-30. So not only PAF should increase the quantity of the F-16s and JF-17, but also improve the quality of the existing radars and missiles. T-darter & fifth generation short range missiles with HOBS be given priority. Similarly joint venture with Turkey for AESA radar will be beneficial. Remaining shortfall should be covered with lethal SAM's.

I agree but we need at least 3 to 4 squadrons of either J-10 B or J-11 D

 

[Windjammer]

PAF SPOKESPERSON
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7:24 AM
AIR CHIEF VISITS AVIATION INDUSTRY CORPORATION OF CHINA

ISLAMABAD 05 JUNE, 2015: Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman, Chief of the
Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force visited the Headquarters of Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) today. He was received by Mr Lin Zuoming, Chairman Aviation Industry Corporation of China. The Air Chief was given a briefing on the working of AVIC and its projects. During the meeting with Mr Lin Zuoming, the Air Chief highlighted the positive outcome of President Xi Jinping’s visit to Pakistan. He appreciated the support of AVIC with reference to operationalization, development, maintenance, repair & overhaul and joint sales & marketing of JF-17 aircraft. The Air Chief expressed his satisfaction on the JF-17 programme and reiterated to make it a symbol of Pak-China friendship.
Mr Lin Zuoming assured his all out support to enhance the capabilities of
JF-17 aircraft and make this programme a befitting success.

 

[Zarvan]

Air Force Chief is shown J-10

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Air Force Chief is seeing presentation on J-31 J-10 and J-20 he received model of J-31 and now looking closely in J-10 Cockpit... So are we getting them in Limited Numbers?

Like 2 squad of J-10 and later J-31

 

[Thorough Pro]

At least it floats over water, unlike indian navy which keeps sinking its subs and colliding its vessels

soon Pakistan navy will be made in China navy