PAF and its Pilots Persistent Demoralising Impact on IAF

[AMRAAM]

He was deaf when he got hit, but he had a perfectly good idea of the general direction he was flying into. It was well known that Pakistani pilots were firing all their missiles from well into their own territory, so obviously he would have to cross the loc to have any chance of shooting them down with a short range missile like the r73.

Again, IAF or your pilots had no idea if PAF had longer-range missiles. Once they knew it (after losing two aircraft on 27th) they never dare to come close to LoC again and your Modi pulled some BMs to retaliate.

 

[mqur1963]

also quaid -a azam mohammedali jinnah was HANDSOME MAN

 

[crankthatskunk]

Self flattery to a whole new level. I'm sure Abhinandan was cowering in fear when he followed an F16 in his antiquated 1960s mig into enemy territory, despite IAF being outnumbered 4:1 on the day. Meanwhile the brave Pakistani pilots in a dazzling display of bravery shot him down with BVR missiles at 80-100km distance.

Arnold, no worries man, you can do self pity.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Badhaai Ho.

 

[araz]

Historically PAF and IAF were born from the same outfit the Royal Indian Airforce,with RAF being their common mentor. But in the mid fifties PAF tilted its course towards the US,which proved to be correct decision as it brought about a paradigm shift in its training methodologies,flying skills,maintenance techniques and access to modern Jets. PAF was turning into a modern airforce that was innovative,aggressive,talented,effective and progressive. All these dynamic changes were seen as horrifying developments across the border,gradually but surely IAF and its ranks were sinking into a state of INFERIORITY COMPLEX. The first tangible results of PAFs transformation were witnessed in the war of 1965,where PAF completely outclassed its larger foe 1:5. The psychological cost of this hefty blow was enormous to the IAF,to add salt to injury the Global media was also singing in chorus glorifying PAFs supremacy. Just one quote among dozens..
"By all accounts the courage displayed by the Pakistan Air Force pilots is reminiscent of the bravery of the few young and dedicated pilots who saved this country from Nazi invaders in the critical Battle of Britain during the last war." Patrick Seale, The Observer, London, September 12, 1965.

The aftermath of 1965 led to the US sanctions on Pakistan resulting in the embargo of aircrafts and spares to the PAF. This setback did not deter PAF in seeking new horizons and excelling further in its goal to serve the motherland. In 1971 citing our internal feud the enemy tried its luck again and got a bloody nose with depleted PAF faring much better against IAF overall.

Till the early Eighties PAF maintained its psychological edge over the enemy. Then came the devastating news of the induction of F16s in the PAF, this caused PANIC ATTACKS and HISSY FITS in the Indian Establishment. Never in the history of mankind a bigger, but psychologically scared nation made such a massive fuss. This hue and cry still exists with full rancour even after four decades. The word F16 has become a household name causing SHIVER UP THE SPINE of the Indian Pilots.

To counter these initial forty jets the petrified Indians went crazy with their shopping spree and ended with a mix of some four hundred fighters across the globe. Like the Jaguars,Mig 21,23,25,27,29,Mirage 2000,Su30mki ,Harriers and others.
On the 26th of February 2019 the Indians made a half hearted attempt to strike inside Pakistani territory. It is well known in airforce circles and the media(NDTV) that .....
Pre-Balakot, The IAF pilots were shivering out of fear to the point they had to smoke cigs all night to calm their nerves . They couldn’t sleep a wink out of fear of not just the mission but also the reply that the PAF pilots might give.
They did indeed get a good reply from the Pakistan Air Force. One which will be written down in the history books to amuse the Pakistani future generations.
(IAF hitting our trees how dare they..)
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Indian pilots have developed a habit of becoming POW's on a regular basis, although we dont mind reciprocating their intrusions with our traditional hospitality.

The IAF and its pilots are also a laughing stock in the World with lack of training,fitness and motivation they think by just flying the Rafale they can counter our boyz...
This Pilot Was Too ‘Big’ For The Rafale Cockpit That He Had One Custom Made For Him.
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Definitely something to laugh about, right boys?

Our Pilots are a true depiction of Hazrat Iqbal's Marde e Momin.
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Let me close this thread with a few international quotes on our pilots.

"Pakistan has one of the best, most combat ready airforces in the world. They have to; their neighbour to the East is huge, and the two nations, have a long history of hostilities. For Indian war planners, the Pakistan air Force is their worst fear. Pakistani pilots are respected throughout the world, especially the Islamic world, because they know how to fly and fight".
"As an air defense analyst, I am fully aware that the Pakistan Air Force ranks today as one of the best air forces in the world and that the PAF Combat Commanders' School (CCS) in Sargodha has been ranked as the best GCI/pilot and fighter tactics and weapons school in the world". As one senior US defense analyst commented to me in 1991, "it leaves Topgun (the US Naval Air Station in Miramar, California) far behind". -Sergey Vekhov May 1993 issue (pages 46-47) of Airforces Monthly, reputable UK-based airs defense magazine.

ASAK.
My sincerest advice to the writer is to tone down his rhetoric. I fully agree that PAF has turned out to be a better force all around. However the defence planning has been in shambles since one can remember. Development plans have gone by the by with nothing happening. A testament to our paucity is that we are still looking to fly the M3/5s till 2030s which shows we cannot afford to buy a replacement platform.
Regarding the 2 major wars it is fair to say that we were fortunate to have had the 65 war stop at the stage at which it did. In 71 we got mauled and lost half the country .
I have no doubt that the skirmish on the 26 and w7th of Feb proved that PAF was the better planner and more focused, but to exagerate this into a world beating event is just that---an exageration. The outcome of any skirmish cannot be portrayed as a picture of complete domination of one force over another. It is simply a glimpse-- a moment in time when we came out on top.
Lastly and most importantly in my very humble opinion it is a dictate of our religion that victory is from Allah izza wa jal. Man can only try. Bragging about victory as if we have achieved a monumental task is against our religion. Unless we pay head to this important dictate I fear we will incite the displeasure of Allah izza wa jal.
We need to remember the battles of Ubad and Hunain where a well prepared party of muslims under the Rasool of Allah SAW was defeated or neared defeat mainly because the muslims were either indisciplined or proud of their numbers. Mostly I fear this factor and would implore my fellow Pakistanis to adopt humility, learn to continue to work hard and prepare harder for the next battle which will befall us.
I hope this post will be taken in the spirit in which it is written.
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[khansaheeb]

Self flattery to a whole new level. I'm sure Abhinandan was cowering in fear when he followed an F16 in his antiquated 1960s mig into enemy territory, despite IAF being outnumbered 4:1 on the day. Meanwhile the brave Pakistani pilots in a dazzling display of bravery shot him down with BVR missiles at 80-100km distance.

Poor guy didn't have time to think anything , he was shot down by the time he gained height.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Self flattery to a whole new level. I'm sure Abhinandan was cowering in fear when he followed an F16 in his antiquated 1960s mig into enemy territory, despite IAF being outnumbered 4:1 on the day. Meanwhile the brave Pakistani pilots in a dazzling display of bravery shot him down with BVR missiles at 80-100km distance.

LOL how did abhi chase F-16 when like you said F-16s were 100KM away when they shot abhi down?
Epic proportion of self contradiction.

He was deaf when he got hit, but he had a perfectly good idea of the general direction he was flying into. It was well known that Pakistani pilots were firing all their missiles from well into their own territory, so obviously he would have to cross the loc to have any chance of shooting them down with a short range missile like the r73.

Both R-73 missiles were recovered with serial numbers that can be traced back to IAF inventory.

Please enlighten us of your 1000 year glorious history. You people don't have any accomplishments of your own so you try to associate yourself with Turkish/Uzbec and Persian conquerors . Just because you adopted their religion doesn't make you one of them. If I become a British citizen, it would be pretty stupid of me to claim that we ruled over India. The 1000 year pathetic history was a shared history. In fact, regions west of the Indus river were the most commonly invaded.

You adopted Pakistani religion since Hinduism originates from Indus valley.

 

[khansaheeb]

Modern combat is won by technologies, not sword bearing men on camels. You should be more afraid of nerdy tamil computer science kids working at Isro on new technologies. Besides, even if it comes to the primitive camel and sword combat, we have plenty of Gurkhas, Jats, Rajputs and Sikhs to take care of these remnants.

You certainly have Jats, Sikhs etc but where are they hiding:-

 

[Jackdaws]

Self flattery to a whole new level. I'm sure Abhinandan was cowering in fear when he followed an F16 in his antiquated 1960s mig into enemy territory, despite IAF being outnumbered 4:1 on the day. Meanwhile the brave Pakistani pilots in a dazzling display of bravery shot him down with BVR missiles at 80-100km distance.

Ha, yes. That's some seriously fertile imagination.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Ha, yes. That's some seriously fertile imagination.

And same goes to India, who thinks sameenjoy:

 

[Jackdaws]

And same goes to India, who thinks sameenjoy:

Yes, it is true especially under the current regime which tends to exaggerate all its successes and downplay all its failures. But I was only referring to this thread

 

[Armchair]

"By all accounts the courage displayed by the Pakistan Air Force pilots is reminiscent of the bravery of the few young and dedicated pilots who saved this country from Nazi invaders in the critical Battle of Britain during the last war." Patrick Seale, The Observer, London, September 12, 1965.

Never surprised to see the colonized mentally of the PAF which always needs a gora to tell them they are "gud". Hilarious how Alan Warnes gets exclusive access to the PAF which tends never to remember who pays their salaries - not gora sahibs but their brown brothers that struggle to make ends meet but still manage to scrap together the salaries of these wannabe gora officers.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Yes, it is true especially under the current regime which tends to exaggerate all its successes and downplay all its failures. But I was only referring to this thread

Ok have a nice day

 

[Armchair]

I don't know of any Western country in the world that gives Pakistani journalists exclusive access to news, in exclusion of their local journalists.

I wonder why that is. Perhaps they are just dumb and PAF is just really smart.

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

Self flattery to a whole new level. I'm sure Abhinandan was cowering in fear when he followed an F16 in his antiquated 1960s mig into enemy territory, despite IAF being outnumbered 4:1 on the day. Meanwhile the brave Pakistani pilots in a dazzling display of bravery shot him down with BVR missiles at 80-100km distance.

Actually Abhinandan wasn't scared at all but again he wasn't the smartest of you all or he wouldn't have got himself shot.

Well we can say the same
Indian Army has had a demoralising impact on PA
When u look at the humiliation u guys faced in 1971 and 1999

Not to mention the fact that PN is smaller than Indian coastguard

If Pakistan army was really demoralised we wouldn't have been the aggressor in all the major wars, or you come up with a stupid theory that we were so scared that we decided to start all the wars makes sense right lol.