Ousted Prime Minister Imran Khan Arrested: News and Discussion

[maverick1977]

Let me tell you the other side of the story....

COAS seriously believes that IK closed his eyes on the corruption that involved his family. When he brought the evidences against some of the people who IK still hold very dear and near to him, IK had a very bitter exchange with him and later he asked Bajwa to change this guy.. that was just the beginning.

He also believes that the cypher and VONC were a coincidence.. the VONC preps were going on before cypher came to light.. and that IK took wrong benefit of the cypher.. Although establishment had a role in making VONC successful, the decision was only establishment's with no role of cypher that coincidently arrived around the same time.

He also believes that due to cypher, people started believing that Pak Army serves the interests of the US (which in his opinion is not true)..

He also believes that the cypher story was the main reason of IK's soaring popularity.. otherwise, economy was mishandled by the last govt.

After the assassination attempt, some people informed IK about the role of ISI.. which COAS believes that it was not true. Maj Gen Faisal Naseer was not involved in any assassination attempt.. and this was communicated to IK that his cypher story plus his "supposedly" false allegation is further increasing the hate among people against the Army.. He was first requested not to name and shame Faisal Naseer... but he didn't stop because he believed his sources more than the guarantees given to him by the establishment.

COAS also believes that Imran Khan did not want him to assume the charge of a chief.. and that he wanted Faiz Hameed who according to COAS served IK more and never informed him about his family's corruption..

After he became the COAS, he, through his channel Mr Parvez Ilahi, requested IK to not dissolve assemblies.. The people were not threatened and that's why Parvez Ilahi became the CM... this was also made clear to him that establishment was not managing things in Punjab and that IK was requested to not create chaos which is not acceptable to anyone.. IK rejected their demands and he dissolved the assemblies of Punjab and KPK..

That became the point of no return.. although a few times again it was requested and assured that ISI was not involved in his assassination attempt, or even Arshad Sharif's assassination, but Khan believed his sources more than anyone else.

It is now at the point of no return for both parties.. establishment has lost all the respect among public, while IK's popularity is all time high..

Who is correct... IK's sources or establishment's claims.. we will only know on the judgement day...

By the way, COAS is not a fan of sharifs.. he is a first hand witness of their corruption.... remember he was the ISI chief during Panama case.... the only point that has made him an enemy of IK is IK's bayania that has destroyed the reputation of Pakistan Army..

Please don't judge me when I am writing this.. just presenting the other side that I got to know from some well informed people.

When the COAS tolerates Sharifs then he is as corrupt as them. so this is a BS article,

 

[Jango]

Fully agree..

Agree! I am on your side guys.. that's why I said don't judge me..

Oh I am not arguing with you or anything, just talking on the points you wrote.

All good my man!

 

[PakSword]

A very valid point.

Who TF was Asim Munir as DG ISI to go to IK and tell about corruption?

"Some" say.. it was not the corruption or favors.. it was how both exchanged a few words...

 

[M. Sarmad]

Let me tell you the other side of the story....

COAS seriously believes that IK closed his eyes on the corruption that involved his family. When he brought the evidences against some of the people who IK still hold very dear and near to him, IK had a very bitter exchange with him and later he asked Bajwa to change this guy.. that was just the beginning.

He also believes that the cypher and VONC were a coincidence.. the VONC preps were going on before cypher came to light.. and that IK took wrong benefit of the cypher.. Although establishment had a role in making VONC successful, the decision was only establishment's with no role of cypher that coincidently arrived around the same time.

He also believes that due to cypher, people started believing that Pak Army serves the interests of the US (which in his opinion is not true)..

He also believes that the cypher story was the main reason of IK's soaring popularity.. otherwise, economy was mishandled by the last govt.

After the assassination attempt, some people informed IK about the role of ISI.. which COAS believes that it was not true. Maj Gen Faisal Naseer was not involved in any assassination attempt.. and this was communicated to IK that his cypher story plus his "supposedly" false allegation is further increasing the hate among people against the Army.. He was first requested not to name and shame Faisal Naseer... but he didn't stop because he believed his sources more than the guarantees given to him by the establishment.

COAS also believes that Imran Khan did not want him to assume the charge of a chief.. and that he wanted Faiz Hameed who according to COAS served IK more and never informed him about his family's corruption..

After he became the COAS, he, through his channel Mr Parvez Ilahi, requested IK to not dissolve assemblies.. The people were not threatened and that's why Parvez Ilahi became the CM... this was also made clear to him that establishment was not managing things in Punjab and that IK was requested to not create chaos which is not acceptable to anyone.. IK rejected their demands and he dissolved the assemblies of Punjab and KPK..

That became the point of no return.. although a few time again it was requested and assured that ISI was not involved in his assassination attempt, or even Arshad Sharif's assassination, but Khan believed his sources more than anyone else.

It is now at the point of no return for both parties.. establishment has lost all the respect among public, while IK's popularity is all time high..

Who is correct... IK's sources of establishment's claims.. we will only know on the judgement day...

By the way, COAS is not a fan of sharifs.. he is a witness of their first hand corruption.... remember he was the one during Panama case.... the only point that has made him an enemy of IK is IK's bayania that has destroyed the reputation of Pakistan Army..

Please don't judge me when I am writing this.. just presenting the other side that I got to know from some well informed people.

This self-serving narrative is full of flaws.

Firstly, it conveniently overlooks the fact that Asim Munir had already technically retired but was granted a special extension by the PDM before being appointed as the COAS. Insinuating that Asim Munir is not a supporter of the Sharifs, or suggesting that the House of Sharif appointed him as the COAS without securing their own interests through a deal, is an insult to the intelligence of the nation.

Secondly, the claim that the Pakistan Army does not protect US interests and that it was solely Imran Khan who convinced people of this notion is an assertion that no one even with a rudimentary knowledge of our history would ever accept.

In addition, the assertion that the Army is not involved in either the assassination of Arshad Sharif or the assassination attempt on Imran Khan is a matter that can only be determined through a thorough investigation. But let's be honest, everyone in Pakistan knows exactly who is blocking those investigations and tampering with the records. We can't just brush that aside and pretend it's acceptable.

And who granted the Army the power to determine when to dissolve assemblies and when not to?

And finally, let's not forget that none of these circumstances can ever justify the brutal force being employed by the Army against its own citizens.

 

[Jango]

"Some" say.. it was not the corruption or favors.. it was how both exchanged a few words...

Imran Khan ki ghalti, in my opinion, was that he took on the establishment too early in his tenure.

Opened too many fronts.

Shuru main baki cheezon par dehan deta, and then take on the establishment.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658886485121306628

Behold Qabza Mafia coming to defence of QABZA MAFIA ULTRA PRO MAZX 10G.

 

[PakSword]

Who TF was Asim Munir as DG ISI to go to IK and tell about corruption?

By the way, the same corruption, the entire machinery is trying to find for the past 13 months.. lol and now they are resorting to MPO.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

A very valid point.

Who TF was Asim Munir as DG ISI to go to IK and tell about corruption?

Usay baki fauj kay andar corruption nazar nhn arahi thi? FC is the biggest smuggling network in Balochistan. They know each and every smuggling route and take commission. FBR and FC constantly fight over this.

Two former CJCSC have 20 kanal homes in Gulberg greens, and the incumbent is also making one.

A MG is making two houses in F6 Islamabad on 2 kanals each.

Ja kar Gujranwala depot main dekho, wahan betha Major khulay aam tender par rishwat mang raha hai for CMH contracts.

I can go on and on and on.

According to Moeed Pirzada, the issue was not Imran khan's family corruption but some diplomatic incident in Iran relating to Gen Asim.

He didn't mention any details or sources so I don't know what exactly he was referring to.

 

[Rank]

I've never witnessed such a foolish spectacle. Everyone was demoralized, and clueless about what was happening. Suddenly, this PDM tabar initiated a relentless, one-sided propaganda campaign on TV, 24/7 anti-PTI advertisements, which gave a clear impression that everything was pre-planned and orchestrated by the govt to ban and target PTI. These advertising tactics on TV have managed to re-kindle/re-unite mass support for PTI once again. It's the highest level of incompetence lol

 

[Sal12]

Let me tell you the other side of the story....

COAS seriously believes that IK closed his eyes on the corruption that involved his family. When he brought the evidences against some of the people who IK still hold very dear and near to him, IK had a very bitter exchange with him and later he asked Bajwa to change this guy.. that was just the beginning.

He also believes that the cypher and VONC were a coincidence.. the VONC preps were going on before cypher came to light.. and that IK took wrong benefit of the cypher.. Although establishment had a role in making VONC successful, the decision was only establishment's with no role of cypher that coincidently arrived around the same time.

He also believes that due to cypher, people started believing that Pak Army serves the interests of the US (which in his opinion is not true)..

He also believes that the cypher story was the main reason of IK's soaring popularity.. otherwise, economy was mishandled by the last govt.

After the assassination attempt, some people informed IK about the role of ISI.. which COAS believes that it was not true. Maj Gen Faisal Naseer was not involved in any assassination attempt.. and this was communicated to IK that his cypher story plus his "supposedly" false allegation is further increasing the hate among people against the Army.. He was first requested not to name and shame Faisal Naseer... but he didn't stop because he believed his sources more than the guarantees given to him by the establishment.

COAS also believes that Imran Khan did not want him to assume the charge of a chief.. and that he wanted Faiz Hameed who according to COAS served IK more and never informed him about his family's corruption..

After he became the COAS, he, through his channel Mr Parvez Ilahi, requested IK to not dissolve assemblies.. The people were not threatened and that's why Parvez Ilahi became the CM... this was also made clear to him that establishment was not managing things in Punjab and that IK was requested to not create chaos which is not acceptable to anyone.. IK rejected their demands and he dissolved the assemblies of Punjab and KPK..

That became the point of no return.. although a few times again it was requested and assured that ISI was not involved in his assassination attempt, or even Arshad Sharif's assassination, but Khan believed his sources more than anyone else.

It is now at the point of no return for both parties.. establishment has lost all the respect among public, while IK's popularity is all time high..

Who is correct... IK's sources or establishment's claims.. we will only know on the judgement day...

By the way, COAS is not a fan of sharifs.. he is a first hand witness of their corruption.... remember he was the ISI chief during Panama case.... the only point that has made him an enemy of IK is IK's bayania that has destroyed the reputation of Pakistan Army..

Please don't judge me when I am writing this.. just presenting the other side that I got to know from some well informed people.

So Asim Munir found evidence of corruption of people close to IK when Asim was DG ISI which is why Asim Munir now is working closely with known PDM crooks to eliminate IK to keep PDM tola in power. Does this make sense.

 

[HerbertPervert]

Let me tell you the other side of the story....

COAS seriously believes that IK closed his eyes on the corruption that involved his family. When he brought the evidences against some of the people who IK still hold very dear and near to him, IK had a very bitter exchange with him and later he asked Bajwa to change this guy.. that was just the beginning.

He also believes that the cypher and VONC were a coincidence.. the VONC preps were going on before cypher came to light.. and that IK took wrong benefit of the cypher.. Although establishment had a role in making VONC successful, the decision was only establishment's with no role of cypher that coincidently arrived around the same time.

He also believes that due to cypher, people started believing that Pak Army serves the interests of the US (which in his opinion is not true)..

He also believes that the cypher story was the main reason of IK's soaring popularity.. otherwise, economy was mishandled by the last govt.

After the assassination attempt, some people informed IK about the role of ISI.. which COAS believes that it was not true. Maj Gen Faisal Naseer was not involved in any assassination attempt.. and this was communicated to IK that his cypher story plus his "supposedly" false allegation is further increasing the hate among people against the Army.. He was first requested not to name and shame Faisal Naseer... but he didn't stop because he believed his sources more than the guarantees given to him by the establishment.

COAS also believes that Imran Khan did not want him to assume the charge of a chief.. and that he wanted Faiz Hameed who according to COAS served IK more and never informed him about his family's corruption..

After he became the COAS, he, through his channel Mr Parvez Ilahi, requested IK to not dissolve assemblies.. The people were not threatened and that's why Parvez Ilahi became the CM... this was also made clear to him that establishment was not managing things in Punjab and that IK was requested to not create chaos which is not acceptable to anyone.. IK rejected their demands and he dissolved the assemblies of Punjab and KPK..

That became the point of no return.. although a few times again it was requested and assured that ISI was not involved in his assassination attempt, or even Arshad Sharif's assassination, but Khan believed his sources more than anyone else.

It is now at the point of no return for both parties.. establishment has lost all the respect among public, while IK's popularity is all time high..

Who is correct... IK's sources or establishment's claims.. we will only know on the judgement day...

By the way, COAS is not a fan of sharifs.. he is a first hand witness of their corruption.... remember he was the ISI chief during Panama case.... the only point that has made him an enemy of IK is IK's bayania that has destroyed the reputation of Pakistan Army..

Please don't judge me when I am writing this.. just presenting the other side that I got to know from some well informed people.

Even if Asim Munir's claims are true, then what is stopping him & establishment from meeting Imran Khan and de-escalating the situation? The only side that is losing in this conflict is the reputation of the army in the sight of the public.

It's still not too late for Asim Munir to end this and meet Imran Khan personally to negotiate a settlement. If it means avoiding a bloody massacre with the very same people they swore an oath to protect, the establishment should meet Imran Khan and negotiate.

 

[Burger_King]

Army high command is doing ghadaari.

High command has claimed on record that NATO did saazish against IK. So how did the hukaam respond? They responded by taking numerous trips to gorastan where they did not take a word in anger. Americans have stated on record that Pakistan's nuclear program as a threat to global security. No such claims have been made with regards to Indian nuclear program. Why? When India exploded nuclear bomb in 1997, no sanctions were imposed on the country. All hell broke lose when Pak joined the party. Why the different reaction? Pak was a democracy 1997 and the country was firmly in American camp as demonstrated by Pak participation in Gulf War 1. So why the hate? And why is it that Americans have a problem with Pakistani nuclear bomb when neither Cheen nor Russia have shown a hostile intent?

Bucha, bucha is aware of reality described above. Yet high command has no problem in sitting in gora lap. UK has given pannah to uber terrorist Altaf Bhai. Agha Siraj Durrani claimed on record in late noughties that he was in a meeting with Altaf Hussain and American diplomats where the topic was break up of Pakistan. High command has even utilized the services of Hussain Haqqani who gave thousands of blank visas to CIA.

Those of us who dont have their head up their *** know how this story ends. High command will get their comeuppance at the hands of gora masters. Awam will be collateral damage. Such are the ways of the world.

 

[PakSword]

Even if Asim Munir's claims are true, then what is stopping him & establishment from meeting Imran Khan and de-escalating the situation? The only side that is losing in this conflict is the reputation of the army in the sight of the public.

It's still not too late for Asim Munir to end this and meet Imran Khan personally to negotiate a settlement. If it means avoiding a bloody massacre with the very same people they swore an oath to protect, the establishment should meet Imran Khan and negotiate.

You know when someone is out of his mind, you can't control him..

Some people are out of control.. and PDM is taking full benefit of the situation.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

So Asim Munir found evidence of corruption of people close to IK when Asim was DG ISI which is why Asim Munir now is working closely with known PDM crooks to eliminate IK to keep PDM tola in power. Does this make sense.

The whole thing is an Oxymoron.

 

[Jango]

By the way, the same corruption, the entire machinery is trying to find for the past 13 months.. lol and now they are resorting to MPO.

Exactly.

Itni solid corruption thi to pakar lete atay hi aur court case kartay.

You wouldn't have to resort to nonsense like Toshakhana or whatever.