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Ask the majority to change the constitution then. I am going by what's in the constitution. Maybe the white british here will teach you the importance of constitution. Surely a minority of christians in UK wouldn't be able to pull off making UK a christian country, most are atheists now so secularism is in.
Asw,
Going by your argument are Israelis doing fine by killing persecuting innocent Palestinians or Burmese buddhist are doing just fine by killing and raping innocent Muslims just because they are in MAJORITY???
So if we want to condemn their vile acts MAJORITY has right and is fine to do whatever they like???
Regards,
Adnan
 
Democracy in Pakistan should be of the Western version, that's what some idiots here are preaching .... but what happened to the majority making the laws, is that not part of democracy?

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.


Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
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oh wow ... you are now equating terrorist attack to be something that state sponsored! Pathetic argument mate!

And those figures are small.

How many deaths is UK gov responsible for in Iraq alone?

Asw,
Going by your argument are Israelis doing fine by killing persecuting innocent Palestinians or Burmese buddhist are doing just fine by killing and raping innocent Muslims just because they are in MAJORITY???
So if we want to condemn their vile acts MAJORITY has right and is fine to do whatever they like???
Regards,
Adnan

Why are you refusing to answer one simple question and diverting constantly? Are you a Muslim or an Ahmadi, choose one?
 
oh wow ... you are now equating terrorist attack to be something that state sponsored! Pathetic argument mate!

And those figures are small.

How many deaths is UK gov responsible for in Iraq alone?

And those figures are small.
No loss of life is small, it may be numbers to you or me but these are peoples lives, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, husbands, wives, children!

How many deaths is UK gov responsible for in Iraq alone?
So now you are comparing religious persecution with war? Wow, your logic is stunning! Also please don't derail and discuss the points. You asked me to provide figures, I did, care to rebuke them with counter statistics?
 
Ask the majority to change the constitution then. I am going by what's in the constitution. Maybe the white british here will teach you the importance of constitution. Surely a minority of christians in UK wouldn't be able to pull off making UK a christian country, most are atheists now so secularism is in.
You know what? I am happy you admit it.
And that constitution which raped by Generals and Bhutto and Nawaz?
There is a simple constitution given by Jinnah
“ You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed—“that has nothing to do with the business of the state “
Koi Sharam Hoti kuch Haya hoti hai.
Beshram mulla ke pujari hijacked Jinnah’s land.
 
Why is it that Shia in Pakistan do not have any issues with this declaration, besides being a minority to Sunni? And Ahmadis have an issue? Far more Shia have been killed in terrorist attacks.
 
Asw,
Imagine if this has happened to other Muslim sects in UK what would be the response of of dear @Verve
Its sometimes so painful to read such vile comments against us Ahmadi Muslims that we are not muslims etc etc we who are preaching beautiful teachings of Islam all around the World have translated Holy Quran in more then 60 languages of the World. Etc
We put our faith in Allah Almighty and continue our job. Inshallah
Thanks,
Regards,
Adnan
 
No loss of life is small, it may be numbers to you or me but these are peoples lives, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, husbands, wives, children!

Your gov didn't give a shit about Iraqi people when carpet bombing them? Generations have been destroyed and here you are arguing over a few hundred deaths over 40 years?

Your own gov didn't give a damn about the opinion of 1 million people marching in London and killed millions in wars in middle east, you think you can preach to us?
 
Your gov didn't give a shit about Iraqi people when carpet bombing them? Generations have been destroyed and here you are arguing over a few hundred deaths over 40 years?

Your own gov didn't give a damn about the opinion of 1 million people marching in London and killed millions in wars in middle east, you think you can preach to us?

Again you go comparing warfare to religious persecution, and what is this nonsense about "your"government? You have a UK flag, are you not a British national? If you hate the UK and our government so much, what are you doing in our country, go where you feel more comfortable.

No one is forcing you to stay, I doubt even Pakistanis would want someone as vile and caustic as you in their midst!
 
Asw,
Imagine if this has happened to other Muslim sects in UK what would be the response of of dear @Verve
Its sometimes so painful to read such vile comments against us Ahmadi Muslims that we are not muslims etc etc we who are preaching beautiful teachings of Islam all around the World have translated Holy Quran in more then 60 languages of the World. Etc
We put our faith in Allah Almighty and continue our job. Inshallah
Thanks,
Regards,
Adnan

I have nothing against Ahmadis, know a few myself and never had any personal issues with me. We simply do not discuss religion, thats the red line drawn and understood.

As for declaration, everyone has to abide by the constitution of Pakistan.
 
Again you go comparing warfare to religious persecution, and what is this nonsense about "your"government? You have a UK flag, are you not a British national? If you hate the UK and our government so much, what are you doing in our country, go where you feel more comfortable.

No one is forcing you to stay, I doubt even Pakistanis would want someone as vile and caustic as you in their midst!

Watch British TV mate, you whites are attacking the Quran now. You go to wars over religion, always have. It is secularism versus Islam these days.

And what about the whites distributing pamphlets all over major UK cities to acid attack Muslims eh?

For our benefit, please quote the section of the constitution you keep referring to. Thanks!

It's the first line. Search and read!
 
You just did not do that...
Compare that with non Ahmadies deaths by terrorists.
You are guys are really the ...........................................................................................................................................................................
 
For our benefit, please quote the section of the constitution you keep referring to. Thanks!
ORDINANCE NO. XX OF 1984
AN ORDINANCE

to amend the law to prohibit the Quadiani group, Lahori group and Ahmadis from indulging in anti-Islamic activities:

WHEREAS it is expedient to amend the law to prohibit the Quadiani group, Lahori group and Ahmadis from indulging in anti-Islamic activities:

AND WHEREAS the President is satisfied that circumstances exist which render it necessary to take immediate action:

NOW, THEREFORE, in pursuance of the Proclamation of the fifth day of July, 1977, and in exercise of all powers enabling him in that behalf, the President is pleased to make and promulgate the following Ordinance:

PART I - PRELIMINARY

1.

Short title and commencement.

(1)

This Ordinance may be called the Anti-Islamic Activities of the Quadiani Group, Lahori Group and Ahmadis (Prohibition and Punishment) Ordinance, 1984.

(2)

It shall come into force at once.

2.

Ordinance to override orders or decisions of courts.
The provisions of this Ordinance shall have effect notwithstanding any order or decision of any court.

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PART II - AMENDMENT OF THE PAKISTAN PENAL CODE
(ACT XLV OF 1860)
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3.

Addition of new sections 298B and 298C, Act XLV of 1860.
In the Pakistan Penal Code (Act XLV of 1860), in Chapter XV, after section 298A, the following new sections shall be added, namely:

“298B. Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles, etc., reserved for certain holy personages or places.

(1)

Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation;

(a)

refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him),as ‘Ameerul Mumineen’, ‘Khalifa-tui-Mumineen’, ‘Khalifa-tul-Muslimeen’, ‘Sahaabi’ or ‘Razi Allah Anho’

(b)

refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as ‘Ummul-Mumineen’

(c)

(c) refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a member of the family (Ahle-bait) of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as ‘Ahle-bait’; or

(d)

refers to, or names, or calls, his place of worship as ‘Masjid’;

shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.

(2)

Any person of the Quadiani group or Lahori group (who call themselves Ahmadis or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, refers to the mode or form of call to prayers followed by his faith as ‘Azan’ or recites Azan as used by the Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.

(3)

298C. Person of Quadiani group etc., calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith.
Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name), who, directly or indirectly, poses himself as Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.”

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PART III AMENDMENT OF THE CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE 1898
(ACT V OF 1898)
 
Watch British TV mate, you whites are attacking the Quran now. You go to wars over religion, always have. It is secularism versus Islam these days.

And what about the whites distributing pamphlets all over major UK cities to acid attack Muslims eh?



It's the first line. Search and read!

Are muslims in senior posts in the U.K government = YES
Is there any law that prevents a muslim from joining a senior post = No
Is there a law requiring muslims declare their religion before joining a job or applying for a passport = NO


It's the first line. Search and read!
Not good enough, provide a source, like I did for you! You can't because you don't even know what you are debating here.
 

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