our government is corrupt?

[El Sidd]

And PDP only can bring the change

PDP won't bring a change. It will be the change.

Fundamental difference.

Lol

 

[Tps43]

PDP won't bring a change. It will be the change.

Fundamental difference.

Lol

PDP will be a trend setter for all .

 

[El Sidd]

PDP will be a trend setter for all .

PDP will only set Pakistan right.

Not all.

The rest will have to set themselves right.

 

[Tps43]

PDP will only set Pakistan right.

Not all.

The rest will have to set themselves right.

but they can take our example bro that was my point

 

[raptor22]

I came over this. Is it legit? Whats the purpose of these accounts? I hope someone here has good answers. Is our government officials, even Khamenei stealing our money?

It doesn't seem likely that all of these accounts were made to bypass sanctions.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-606777

Our government officials and their families have personal accounts in foreign banks worth trillions of dollars

This is Khamenei and his family alone:

Mojtaba Khamenei, Ali Khamenei’s second son: England £1.14 billion, 2 accounts frozen since 2009; Germany €2.12 billion (4 accounts), Qatar $400 million, S. Africa 950 million Euros (2 accounts), UBS/Micheloud & Cie/Credit Suisse 12 accounts totaling €3.85 billion, Liechtenstein $2.8 billion, S. Africa $620 million, Shanghai $4.1 billion, UAE: $700 million, Malaysia A$670 million.

Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader: Switzerland (Micheloud & Cie/UBS/Credit Suisse, 18 accounts totaling €8.4 billion; Liechtenstein $9.7 billion, Cayman Islands $6.8 billion, Shanghai $3.2 billion, Liechtenstein $2.9 billion, Belize $2.5 billion, Russia $1.1 billion, Malaysia $450 million, Trinidad & Tobago $400 million, S. Africa 2.1 billion Euros, India $630 million, UAE $560 million, Syria $210 million.

Massoud Khamenei, Ali Khamenei’s son: Switzerland (UBS/Micheloud & Cie/Credit Suisse) €2.7 billion, S. Africa $980 million, Syria $45 million, UAE $120 million, Malaysia €540 million, Venezuela $1.2 billion, India €320 million.

Mostafa Khamenei, Ali Khamenei’s third son: Switzerland (Credit Suisse) $690 million, Hong Kong £360 million, Russia $80 million, Syria $12 million, Canada C$110 million, Panama $992 million.

Naziyheh Khamenei: Turkey $52 million, India €120 million, Germany €102 million, United Kingdom £ 280 million, Switzerland (UBS) $421 million.

Badrieh Khamenei: UAE £142 million, Syria $13 million, Spain €120 million, Panama $329 million.

Hassan Khamenei: UAE $60 million, Canada C$200 million, Turkey €37 million Euros, Shanghai $344 million.

Hadi Khamenei, younger brother of Ali Khamenei: Liechtenstein $290 million, S. Africa £121 million, Malaysia €93.2 million, Switzerland (UBS/Scobag Privatbank/HSBC Private Bank Suisse) €890 million, Turkey €84 million.

What do you think? Is it legit? Were the accounts made to bypass sanctions? Fakenews?

I heard rumours about Rafsanjani coming clean, before his death? Is it true?
https://arabiangcis.org/english/rep...alth-of-khameneis-sons-by-hashemi-rafsanjani/

You mean Ali Khamenie and all his family have several accounts by their own names in Switzerland,Liechtenstein, Cayman Islands, Shanghai, Russia, Malaysia, Trinidad & Tobago, S. Africa, India, the UAE and Syria?
It's a little bit fishy ... what is the proof of it? a website listing names? for example who is Naziyheh Khamenei?

 

[Fafnir]

Same is Mulla land, that's not funny for me, at least

Iran’s children: the innocent victims of the mullah’s plundering policies



I never said govt of Pakistan is not corrupt, like the slaves of mulla hiding mulla's corruption

A word to the wise,you`re not going to do your credibility here in the iran forum much good at all if you go posting links to MEK sites my friend.

 

[raptor22]

How many of Iranian went to Paris and set him free from jail ?


These are just political showcase wordings for Iranian public



Thanks to Mulla in Iran, American economy is on road. Iran is not powerful than Iraq of Saddam but it works for USA, so no threats for USA

That's how it works :

Iran is not powerful than Iraq of Saddam? during Iran Iraq war ,Iraq air force was destroyed 3 times by IRIAF ..Iraqi navy was destroyed in first days of war ...if it wasn't western and eastern blocks support + Arab regional countries Saddam would have not been able to continue the war.
What you illustrated in the cartoon is ridiculous 'cause it was Arabs whom invaded us at first and they are the source of war and instability in the region, the Saddam that they supported during Iran-Iraq war invaded Kuwaits afterwards, is that Iran faults? or they inviting the USA and NATO to invade Iraq in 1991? or their supports of Mujaheddin in Afghanistan? you can not continue the fearmongering base on your false policies.
And that's not how it works , Arabs started buying weapons before revolution in early 70s under the plan of petrodollar ... and American economy is not on the road.

 

[!eon]

Iran is not powerful than Iraq of Saddam? during Iran Iraq war ,Iraq air force was destroyed 3 times by IRIAF ..Iraqi navy was destroyed in first days of war ...if it wasn't western and eastern blocks support + Arab regional countries Saddam would have not been able to continue the war.

Same as Iran destroys Israel every six months.
Of course, just verbally.

 

[Muhammed45]

Same as Iran destroys Israel every six months.
Of course, just verbally.

In Islam's POV you shouldn't be starter of war however this could be different in case of Israel.

Can you find someone to ask Arab governments in Jordan and Egypt to allow us, to arm Palestinians?

If we wanted to attack Israel, we should first of all remove Israeli puppet in Jordan. How can we march on Israel while Arabs are supporting Israel?

 

[raptor22]

Same as Iran destroys Israel every six months.
Of course, just verbally.

No it's not just verbally, not my fault if you have not checked the facts.

It's what Saddam received during war:



Besides chemical weapons which killed and injyred 100k Iranians. beside 10s billions of dollar given by Arabs.

 

[Stryker1982]

No it's not just verbally, not my fault if you have not checked the facts.

It's what Saddam received during war:

View attachment 428545 View attachment 428546

Besides chemical weapons which killed and injyred 100k Iranians. beside 10s billions of dollar given by Arabs.

We can never forget how they armed Saddam to the teeth while we couldn't even produce bullets on our own at the time.

 

[SOHEIL]

Same as Iran destroys Israel every six months.
Of course, just verbally.

گوه نخور

 

[scythian500]

I had an argument with an apothecary in Iran, I asked him how he can claim what he sells is not counterfeit when the manufacturers doesn't sell to Iran. He then told me that to bypass sanctions, the government makes private accounts and sends people abroad to do shopping and take products back to Iran.

But that doesn't justify Khameneis family holding trillions of dollars in foreign banks. We dont have money in our own banks yet there are trillions of dollars in foreign banks benefiting from our money

Why some of you don't use your head for God sake... Some are very easy to fool... Trillions of dollars under the names of prominent anti-US and Israeli people in Europe!! Come on... Stick to the Aliens run the white house story... This is more credible!! God gave you something called brain.. use it..

Clerics belong in the mosques not in government. We would've been like fucking France by now if we didn't have shit leadership since 1979. Clerics raping this country of this money and storing them in Foreign banks for the westerners benefit while talking about saying the Shah was a puppet of the West and a sellout. No wonder everyone is leaving. Theirs no hope. The amount of fucking iranian masters and PhD students I see in canada. Many don't comeback. Do you know how useful those talents would've been in Iran if it wasn't in the hands of garbage leaders.

You seem to belong to a layer of Iranians (or ex-Iranians as they got their new passports!) who have not read enough...know enough... have no logical reasoning base..and yet, they chose to die for their beliefs already... My friend... my recommendation to you is to log off any such social forums... start reading from the scratch... compare every event, phenomenon by its nature and circumstances... learn about sense, logic and reasoning... and it is then who other would welcome and appreciate your analysis... Your short comment in this thread shows how deep, coordinated and credible your analysis are! Like when you mention the leadership prior to 1970 as saviors and selected, perfect leaders who were sent by God to convert Iran to No.1 country and it is these evil clerics who stole and raped them and the whole Iran!! Read history... Read Iran's history... how Iran become an empire..how the empires fell... how the become Muslims... how they rose to pioneers of the world golden age...how they fell again...how they decided to sell Iran to nothing... how some lost Iran's heritage.. how some decided to restore the glory again by not losing anymore... but gaining more... compare the whole Iran situation perior 1979 with whole Iran today... Consider circumstances and then see performances...

Corruption comes as a culture... it is not created overnight...read Iranian history post-Safavids..and you know how these corruption culture emerged in Iran... after all, consider one more fact.. The fact is all clerics in Iran are Iranians as well... The count their numbers comparing to the whole public sector... then count corruption incidents exposed and see how many of them were clerics... this is a cultural problem and most of Iran's today problems has everything to do with every single Iranian and not with clerics only... Every Iranian contribute to these corruption culture.. Think about when they are looking for ways to ZirMizi their affairs in Edarat... Think how we are looking for Ashna for everything that we want to do... Think how Manfa,ate shakhsi oriented we are...and then think what would happen if any of us become a cleric today...

It is no clerics fault... It is Iranians fault and it is never late... Iran has gone so far in this little 4 decades and little 2 decades before that... We are on the right path...but need a second awakening...

I think all Iranians who live inside Iran know what I,m implying to...

Correct yourself... Your society will be corrected

 

[Stryker1982]

Why some of you don't use your head for God sake... Some are very easy to fool... Trillions of dollars under the names of prominent anti-US and Israeli people in Europe!! Come on... Stick to the Aliens run the white house story... This is more credible!! God gave you something called brain.. use it..


You seem to belong to a layer of Iranians (or ex-Iranians as they got their new passports!) who have not read enough...know enough... have no logical reasoning base..and yet, they chose to die for their beliefs already... My friend... my recommendation to you is to log off any such social forums... start reading from the scratch... compare every event, phenomenon by its nature and circumstances... learn about sense, logic and reasoning... and it is then who other would welcome and appreciate your analysis... Your short comment in this thread shows how deep, coordinated and credible your analysis are! Like when you mention the leadership prior to 1970 as saviors and selected, perfect leaders who were sent by God to convert Iran to No.1 country and it is these evil clerics who stole and raped them and the whole Iran!! Read history... Read Iran's history... how Iran become an empire..how the empires fell... how the become Muslims... how they rose to pioneers of the world golden age...how they fell again...how they decided to sell Iran to nothing... how some lost Iran's heritage.. how some decided to restore the glory again by not losing anymore... but gaining more... compare the whole Iran situation perior 1979 with whole Iran today... Consider circumstances and then see performances...

Corruption comes as a culture... it is not created overnight...read Iranian history post-Safavids..and you know how these corruption culture emerged in Iran... after all, consider one more fact.. The fact is all clerics in Iran are Iranians as well... The count their numbers comparing to the whole public sector... then count corruption incidents exposed and see how many of them were clerics... this is a cultural problem and most of Iran's today problems has everything to do with every single Iranian and not with clerics only... Every Iranian contribute to these corruption culture.. Think about when they are looking for ways to ZirMizi their affairs in Edarat... Think how we are looking for Ashna for everything that we want to do... Think how Manfa,ate shakhsi oriented we are...and then think what would happen if any of us become a cleric today...

It is no clerics fault... It is Iranians fault and it is never late... Iran has gone so far in this little 4 decades and little 2 decades before that... We are on the right path...but need a second awakening...

I think all Iranians who live inside Iran know what I,m implying to...

Correct yourself... Your society will be corrected

Whoaaa

Dadash, I completely agree with you. I never said that the shah was a saviour. I'm saying our leaders are hypocrits because they are doing exactly what the shah did. Taking our national wealth and storing them in foriegn banks like France. Shah had billions of our money in Europe. and Iran Islami is doing the same. A bit hypocritical no??

I'm not saying that everything will be great with or without clerics. I'm saying clerics don't know how to run a country. They are not managers. We need managers for the government. They do not belong there. We need highly educated politicians and business men running this country so we can surpass even European countries. IRI has always been plagued by bad management. This is fact.

Yes i know we have cultural problems too, cultural problems that won't change overnight. But culture changes, and culture changes through governmance. If a government is known for corruption, what do you think the ordinary people will be like? They to will be corrupt in their dealings in the private sector, bazzar etc...

"Correct yourself... Your society will be corrected"
I like this line, a correct society can also come from good governance. All corrupt leaders should be exposed persecuted immediately.