Ottoman Empire Railways in Balkan, Anatolia and Arabia

[Desert Fox]

Okay may the spoon feeding begins let's see if it works or not:

In WW1 sharif Hussien was the care taker of the holy mosques and the regional ruler in place of the ottoman empire. Lawrence of Arabia (Arabia is the name of the peninsula Arabs call "the island") because he came to Arabia. During the entire WW1 period abdulaziz was fighting on nejd and the eastern region (lands not belonging to the ottoman empire you can check the map you provided above) sharif Hussien was convinced by the British that he will rule in place of the ottoman empire and all Arab lands. He being the fool he is believed them and took his army to the north establishing the current country of Jordan. (Jordan to this day is called the Hashmite Kongdom) his son faisal would later become the King of Iraq he moved into Syria but the French didn't like it.

King Abdulaziz only set foot on hijaz 9 years after the first world war ended. When king andulaziz army moved in they fought British soldiers stationed there. Kong Abdulaziz was anti-western until the Italian air force bombed saudi Arabia that is when kong Abdulaziz met Roosevelt the American drama begun.

I can explain it to you even further if you would like. And you still don't understand.

So basically in other words, instead of assisting the Ottomans he let the British backed tribal army destroy Ottoman influence in the region, and then when the war was over took advantage of the situation for his own agenda to seize the throne for himself, very clever on his part, why interfere in the war on behalf of Ottomans?, let the two enemies go at each others throats and when both are weakened seize the opportunity.

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Nope not anymore anyways. If you mean Arabic speaking people then that is no race by any means. If you mean Arabians then most Arabians today have intermingled with other races to such a degree that is nit recognizable as a race today.

Let's tale me for instance. I have Egyptian Turkish Iraqi Semitic all in me. So what race am I really?? Yeah sure I can be Turkish. Again I can also be Semitic, again also Egyptian (Pharoniat ). Also Iraqi (My grandmother is actually half Iraqi half Persian herself) so again what race am I really?? I am a human being and that is enough for me. Clearly it is not for you.

But not all Arabs are mixed, and if they are then why do Arabs prefer to call themselves "Arabs" (a single identity), why not change the name to mongrel or mutt (whatever the Arabic word for it is)?

And if Arabs are not a race, then why did you accuse me of racism?

 

[forummurat]

Orkhon Inscriptions.. The only historical monuments of Turks before Islam

Where this wonderful Turcic civilisations?
They lived as nomads like gypsies..
Turks found their real value in Islam and established wonderful civilizations with together other nations..

 

[RayKalm]

[Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.

Can someone help me understand this verse? 3:55.

 

[Desert Fox]

Orkhon Inscriptions.. The only historical monuments of Turks before Islam

Where this wonderful Turcic civilisations?
They lived as nomads like gypsies..
Turks found their real value in Islam and established wonderful civilizations with together other nations..

But Islam isn't Arabic religion, it is for all humanity. Only ignorant people believe that Islam is a Arabic religion and therefore in the process become more "Arabic" than the Arabs themselves.

You don't have to worship Arabs to be a good Muslims, you don't have to kiss their feet and hold them in high esteem just because the Prophet (pbuh) was an Arab or the Sahabas.

Also, i can point out to so many civilizations that didn't have major contact with the Arabs yet they became very advanced.

 

[Mosamania]

But not all Arabs are mixed, and if they are then why do Arabs prefer to call themselves "Arabs" (a single identity), why not change the name to mongrel or mutt (whatever the Arabic word for it is)?

And if Arabs are not a race, then why did you accuse me of racism?

You saw us as a Race and the directed stereotypical hatred towards this entity. Meaning you originally believed Arabs are a race and then hated this artificial concept which makes you a racist.

Arabian people NEVER call themselves Arabs now. You will find this term mostly used by other Arabic speaking countries. After Islam came to Arabia Arabism was dead well until it was revived in the 20th century.

And seriously Mongrel or Mutt?? Further shows your hatred. I am questioning myself why do I even keep talking to you like there is something to gain out of you

 

[Desert Fox]

You saw us as a Race and the directed stereotypical hatred towards this entity. Meaning you originally believed Arabs are a race and then hated this artificial concept which makes you a racist.

But how do you know i was referring to Arabs as a race?

Arabian people NEVER call themselves Arabs now. You will find this term mostly used by other Arabic speaking countries. After Islam came to Arabia Arabism was dead well until it was revived in the 20th century.

Then what's their to take pride in? Are you implying that those Arabic countries who take pride in Arab nationalism have a false sense of identity/pride?

And seriously Mongrel or Mutt?? Further shows your hatred. I am questioning myself why do I even keep talking to you like there is something to gain out of you

What wrong did i say?

Definition of MONGREL-Merriam Webster Dictionary
1
: an individual resulting from the interbreeding of diverse breeds or strains; especially : one of unknown ancestry
2
: a cross between types of persons or things
— mongrel adjective
— mon·grel·i·za·tion \ˌmäŋ-grə-lə-ˈzā-shən, ˌməŋ-\ noun
— mon·grel·ize \ˈmäŋ-grə-ˌlīz, ˈməŋ-\ transitive verb

You get offended by little things Mosa, you can't take criticism, no wonder in Arab countries people get beheaded for criticism.

 

[Mosamania]

But how do you know i was referring to Arabs as a race?


Then what's their to take pride in? Are you implying that those Arabic countries who take pride in Arab nationalism have a false sense of identity/pride?



What wrong did i say?

Definition of MONGREL-Merriam Webster Dictionary
1
: an individual resulting from the interbreeding of diverse breeds or strains; especially : one of unknown ancestry
2
: a cross between types of persons or things
— mongrel adjective
— mon·grel·i·za·tion \ˌmäŋ-grə-lə-ˈzā-shən, ˌməŋ-\ noun
— mon·grel·ize \ˈmäŋ-grə-ˌlīz, ˈməŋ-\ transitive verb

You get offended by little things Mosa, you can't take criticism, no wonder in Arab countries people get beheaded for criticism.

You know very well that mongrel is used as a reference to dogs interbreeding. Man your type of people are exactly what is wrong with the Muslim world these days. Soon Inshallah a new Khalifat will come and will do away with people like you.

 

[agentny17]

But you are admitting that Arabs are a race, which you before claimed was false. So Arabs are a "race" it is.

It is really not easy to define what an Arab is, it is not a Race, people of countires the of Arab league are of diff. cultures, colors, religions. They speak the same language but different dialects. Their is no feeling of Arab superiority, Egyptians are proud of being Egyptians, same applies to Algerians, Tunisians, Iraqis, Syrian, Palestinians, even the Arabs of the Arabian penesula are proud of being Kuwaiti, Emiraties, Qataris, Saudi Arabians, ect.. Calling the people of the Arab league a race, is like saying the people of America are of American race no matter if they are Black, White, Asian, ect.. Being an Arab is a political term now days, hoping we could be united as a one country one day, since we speak the same language, and like eachother, and feel like one. It is still doesn't mean we are all of the same race.

 

[Deno]

Orkhon Inscriptions.. The only historical monuments of Turks before Islam

Where this wonderful Turcic civilisations?
They lived as nomads like gypsies..
Turks found their real value in Islam and established wonderful civilizations with together other nations..

No one can argue that Turks were interested in philosophy and art after Islam but not beacuse they were muslims because they started to become Urban and that perdiod does not start with Islam... That starts with Uighurs... You both don't know history and still make this claims about histroy... It is sad to see this.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Zulkarneyn, frist Fetullah Güllen and now that statement

I don't expect non-muslims to understand it either. My Post got deleted because i put Mehmet Akif Ersoys poem called "Zulmu Alkislayamam" in Turkish. Here it is in English:

I won't applaud oppression, and i will never like the oppressor
I won't curse my past for futures sake
If one attacks my ancestor i will strangle him!
- You can't!
- At least i will dismiss him from my presence
I won't be a terrier (dog) for degenerates
And i will never accept injustice even if i die
Since my birth i am in love with independence
Gold and the likes have never blinded my eyes
I may be easy-going (soft-headed), but i'm definitely not a compliant sheep
My head may get decapitated, but my neck will stay (i won't be servants for nobody)
If i see a bleeding scar, my heart will hurt
Why do you care they say - nay i will care!
I will chew and i will be chewed, but i will lift justice
I am the enemy of the oppressor but the friend of the oppressed!
Is this Radicalism in your language?

 

[Deno]

I don't expect non-muslims to understand it either. My Post got deleted because i put Mehmet Akif Ersoys poem called "Zulmu Alkislayamam" in Turkish. Here it is in English:

I won't applaud oppression, and i will never like the oppressor
I won't curse my past for futures sake
If one attacks my ancestor i will strangle him!
- You can't!
- At least i will dismiss him from my presence
I won't be a terrier (dog) for degenerates
And i will never accept injustice even if i die
Since my birth i am in love with independence
Gold and the likes have never blinded my eyes
I may be easy-going (soft-headed), but i'm definitely not a compliant sheep
My head may get decapitated, but my neck will stay (i won't be servants for nobody)
If i see a bleeding scar, my heart will hurt
Why do you care they say - nay i will care!
I will chew and i will be chewed, but i will lift justice
I am the enemy of the oppressor but the friend of the oppressed!
Is this Radicalism in your language?

What this poem is talking about very different from what he talked about...

1) You say its hard for non-muslims to undertand what you wrote about every muslim need Arabs... and you told this to another muslim which Islam stricly forbits a person to question others beliefs and see it as blasphemy. What you are doing by calling him non-muslim is blasphemy in Islam.

2) Islam is not the religion of Arabs or Arabian language nor its prophets nationality is important. Islam is religion that came to all of the humanity. Islam consist of all languages, nations in this world. One nations absence doesn't matter for Islam and Arabs do not differ from any other religion.

3)Yep, post a poem about protecting opressed peoples rights to defend opressing religious regimes Even British would laught at that irony...

4) If I remember right, you were the one who critisized me about posting a poem about the subject we were discussing and now you posting a poem that has nothing to with what people in this thread discussing?

 

[Deno]

But how do you know i was referring to Arabs as a race?


Then what's their to take pride in? Are you implying that those Arabic countries who take pride in Arab nationalism have a false sense of identity/pride?



What wrong did i say?

Definition of MONGREL-Merriam Webster Dictionary
1
: an individual resulting from the interbreeding of diverse breeds or strains; especially : one of unknown ancestry
2
: a cross between types of persons or things
— mongrel adjective
— mon·grel·i·za·tion \ˌmäŋ-grə-lə-ˈzā-shən, ˌməŋ-\ noun
— mon·grel·ize \ˈmäŋ-grə-ˌlīz, ˈməŋ-\ transitive verb

You get offended by little things Mosa, you can't take criticism, no wonder in Arab countries people get beheaded for criticism.

Dude... please don't act like a bellydancer and just admit that you were being fasict about your ridiculus claims like mongrell...

 

[Desert Fox]

Dude... please don't act like a bellydancer

Lol, how am i acting like a belly dancer? Am i belly dancing?

and just admit that you were being fasict about your ridiculus claims like mongrell...

What did i claim about mongrel?

 

[Desert Fox]

You know very well that mongrel is used as a reference to dogs interbreeding.

Lolz, Mosa, stop making a fool of yourself, there is nothing wrong with using the word "mongrel" to describe a people of mixed ancestry:

Obama calls African Americans "sort of a mongrel people" but "true for White America as well"

You know Mosa, you are too sensitive and i'm beginning to think you're not mature enough for this forum.

Man your type of people are exactly what is wrong with the Muslim world these days.

Oh really? Elaborate how exactly, and i will be sure to give you a fitting response.

Soon Inshallah a new Khalifat will come and will do away with people like you.

Actually, it will be the other way around, it will be your Monarchy (Isn't monarchy against Islam?) and its supporters who will be disposed of, so until then enjoy!!!

 

[Deno]

Lol, how am i acting like a belly dancer? Am i belly dancing?


What did i claim about mongrel?

You were being passive agressive while trying to spur him up with this line ''But not all Arabs are mixed, and if they are then why do Arabs prefer to call themselves "Arabs" (a single identity), why not change the name to MONGREL or MUTT (whatever the Arabic word for it is)?''

PS: ''Don't act like a bellydaner'' this term used by Turks to say that, When you have done something admit it like a man and don't bend multiple directions like a bellydance...