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US killed Osama Bin Laden clone in Pakistan
he US operation that allegedly killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan has actually led to the death of a clone of the al-Qaeda leader, working under CIA operative Raymond Davis, an American editor says.
"The real bin Laden died years ago after receiving treatment in American hospitals for his various illnesses," said Gordon Duff, senior editor of Ohio-based Veterans Today, in an interview with Press TV's US Desk.
"His [bin Laden] body was frozen and kept in storage for a date when it would be of advantage to the United States to use it for maximum advantage," Duff wrote in a May 9 article titled 'Was Raymond Davis CIA's Bin Laden Handler?'
According to the US intelligence community, bin Laden's body was recovered in 2001 by American Special Forces in Afghanistan, Duff says.
"The CIA maintained a safe house at Abbottabad [where it] kept agents right next to the compound that 'bin Laden' was allegedly [killed] at," Duff said.
Duff went on to say that the CIA facility next door to the alleged bin Laden's compound was filled with armed agents possibly protecting the phony bin Laden.
Duff also emphasized on the fact that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has failed to present any evidence linking bin Laden to the September 11 terrorist attacks on the US soil about ten year ago.
Analysts have raised serious questions as to why US officials did not allow for the application of a DNA test to formally confirm the identity of the corpse before his burial at sea. Press TV
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Trust Me I DO NOT believe it either, it is for those who simply believe on sayings, this time it is neither TOM, nor DICK, nor HARRY, it is Mr. Gordon Duff
he US operation that allegedly killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan has actually led to the death of a clone of the al-Qaeda leader, working under CIA operative Raymond Davis, an American editor says.
"The real bin Laden died years ago after receiving treatment in American hospitals for his various illnesses," said Gordon Duff, senior editor of Ohio-based Veterans Today, in an interview with Press TV's US Desk.
"His [bin Laden] body was frozen and kept in storage for a date when it would be of advantage to the United States to use it for maximum advantage," Duff wrote in a May 9 article titled 'Was Raymond Davis CIA's Bin Laden Handler?'
According to the US intelligence community, bin Laden's body was recovered in 2001 by American Special Forces in Afghanistan, Duff says.
"The CIA maintained a safe house at Abbottabad [where it] kept agents right next to the compound that 'bin Laden' was allegedly [killed] at," Duff said.
Duff went on to say that the CIA facility next door to the alleged bin Laden's compound was filled with armed agents possibly protecting the phony bin Laden.
Duff also emphasized on the fact that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has failed to present any evidence linking bin Laden to the September 11 terrorist attacks on the US soil about ten year ago.
Analysts have raised serious questions as to why US officials did not allow for the application of a DNA test to formally confirm the identity of the corpse before his burial at sea. Press TV
My note:
Trust Me I DO NOT believe it either, it is for those who simply believe on sayings, this time it is neither TOM, nor DICK, nor HARRY, it is Mr. Gordon Duff
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From the time the Navy Seals entered the first floor, cleared the first and 2nd floor and proceeded to the third floor, at least 5 to 7 minutes must have passed and Osama didn't even bother to pick up a gun?
The other thing is, it is strange for OBL to be staying in the same house for 6 years when it would have been better for him to change his residence every few months to avoid detection.
A guy who inflicted the USA with the heaviest defeat in their history cannot be so naive as to commit these novice mistakes.
The other thing is, it is strange for OBL to be staying in the same house for 6 years when it would have been better for him to change his residence every few months to avoid detection.
A guy who inflicted the USA with the heaviest defeat in their history cannot be so naive as to commit these novice mistakes.
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Say whatever you may. But the fact remains that the dog is dead and nothing is gonna bring him back!!!!
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Exactly my view, I have already said the same in few pages back. The people residing nearby said, that they headed toward their roofs when they heard of the helis. It was strange that OBL tried to pick his AK-47 when Seals kicked door of his room.
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Not everyone fights to the death, despite all the bluster. Look at Saddam. bin Laden may very well have been a bit of a coward.
Put yourself in bin Laden's shoes. There's noise, explosions, shooting. You KNOW you are trapped. Who is it that is coming for you? Americans? Someone else? If the latter, maybe there's a way to survive by cooperation, bribery, rescue, SOMETHING. When you are desperate to live, the mind doesn't work as well as it should.
All he knew is that if he picked up a weapon, he'd be shot instantly by whoever it was. When he saw it was U.S. Navy, he probably had a few seconds to regret NOT fighting before his brain got scrambled.
Put yourself in bin Laden's shoes. There's noise, explosions, shooting. You KNOW you are trapped. Who is it that is coming for you? Americans? Someone else? If the latter, maybe there's a way to survive by cooperation, bribery, rescue, SOMETHING. When you are desperate to live, the mind doesn't work as well as it should.
All he knew is that if he picked up a weapon, he'd be shot instantly by whoever it was. When he saw it was U.S. Navy, he probably had a few seconds to regret NOT fighting before his brain got scrambled.
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Well it is not about that he was so ignorant soul that he didnt decide what to do, what we r talking is that he kept lying on bed even after hearing so many voices out there (keep in mind that he was claimed to be OBL). While on the other hand a non-militant, ordinary man, living in neighbor stepped out knowing the first sign of presence of helis.
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US, Pakistan pledge cooperation
By AZHAR MASOOD | ARAB NEWS
Published: May 16, 2011 23:32 Updated: May 16, 2011 23:32
ISLAMABAD: The US and Pakistan agreed Monday to work together in any future actions against high value targets in Pakistan, even as US Sen. John Kerry defended Washingtons decision not to tell Islamabad in advance about the American raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.
The pledge, which was made in a joint statement, could help mollify Pakistani officials and citizens, who were enraged that one of the countrys most important allies would conduct a unilateral operation on its soil. But details of the promised cooperation were unclear.
It was also unclear whether Kerry, the most high-profile American to visit Pakistan since the May 2 raid that killed Bin Laden, was able to extract any promises from Pakistan to go after Afghan Taleban militants long believed to be holed up on Pakistani territory.
US officials have increased pressure on Pakistan since Bin Laden was killed by US Navy SEALs in Abbottabad, an army town only about 55 kms outside the capital, Islamabad. But they also seem to be trying to balance their anger, aware of the risk of wholly severing ties with the nuclear-armed country. Pakistans cooperation is considered vital to ending the war in Afghanistan.
Kerrys comments during his visit mixed a tone of defiance with promises to work with Pakistan to rebuild the bilateral relationship. My goal in coming here has been to talk about how we manage this important relationship, said Kerry, who chairs the US Senates Foreign Relations Committee.
Kerry said Monday that he and Pakistani leaders have agreed to a series of steps to improve relations, but did not specify what they were.
He also said Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will soon announce plans to visit Pakistan a sign of confidence in the relationship.
With input from agencies
© 2010 Arab News
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Pakistan, US try to make up after Bin Laden
By SEBASTIAN ABBOT AND KIMBERLY DOZIER | AP
Published: May 19, 2011 19:55 Updated: May 19, 2011 19:55
ISLAMABAD: Top US officials tried Thursday to patch up relations with Pakistani leaders miffed over the surprise American raid that killed Osama Bin Laden, even as members of the US Congress called for cuts in aid to Pakistan over suspicions that elements of its security forces sheltered the Al-Qaeda chief.
High-level talks by the deputy director of the CIA and President Barak Obamas special envoy underlined the strong mutual dependency of the two countries, despite the bad blood over the Bin Laden killing. The US needs Pakistan to help resolve the war in Afghanistan, and American funds are critical for propping up Pakistans economy and bankrolling its military.
The discussions come at a tense moment in relations between Pakistani intelligence and the CIA, as well as a low point in Pakistani views of the US, according to a poll.
Marc Grossman, the Obama administrations special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan, met with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and other senior officials to discuss relations in the wake of the May 2 Bin Laden raid, the presidents office said.
Michael Morell, deputy director of the CIA, was set to meet with Pakistani intelligence chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, said Pakistani officials briefed on the visit. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
The officials said that while they considered it a positive sign that a high-ranking US intelligence official was making the trip, they expected little concrete to come out of it.
The relationship between the CIA and Pakistans powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency is key to the US fight against Al-Qaeda and the Taleban. But the relationship was strained even before US Navy SEALs killed Bin Laden in Abbottabad, an army town just 35 miles (56 kilometers) from Islamabad, and has reached a new low since.
Pakistani intelligence has conducted no joint operations and all but cut off contact with their CIA counterparts since the Bin Laden raid, said the Pakistani officials.
The CIA would not comment on the reported trip. A US official would say only the goal for the ongoing discussions with Pakistans intelligence service is to cement a productive relationship, rooted in mutual interests. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive strategic discussions.
The relationship between the CIA and the ISI was already buffeted in January by the arrest and detention of CIA security contractor Raymond Davis for shooting dead two Pakistani men who Davis said were trying to rob him.
Davis was eventually released in March after the dead mens relatives agreed to accept blood money under Islamic tradition.
But only a day after his release, a covert CIA drone strike killed at least two dozen people in the Pakistani tribal areas people the CIA said were militants and the Pakistanis said were civilians. That dispute so soured the relationship that both sides agreed that CIA chief Leon Panetta and his Pakistani counterpart, Pasha, should meet face to face.
The two met at CIA headquarters in Langley less than two weeks before the Bin Laden raid. Pasha thought he secured an agreement in that meeting that the two sides would come up with a new high-value target list, and that CIA drones would be used only to hunt those targets, Pakistani officials said. But before he had returned to Pakistani soil, there was another drone strike in the tribal areas, so Pasha shut down communications, the officials said.
This tension shows how difficult it will be for the US to win greater Pakistani cooperation in fighting militants, even as it has provided the countrys military with billions of dollars over the past decade.
This week, five Democratic senators wrote to Obama administration officials questioning the aid arrangement with Pakistan over suspicions that elements in Pakistan knew Bin Laden was hiding near the capital and did not take action. The senators, among them Intelligence committee chairwoman Dianne Feinstein of California, said that while the US is slashing its budget, it makes no sense to give such enormous sums unless the US is certain Pakistan is rooting out terrorists within its borders.
The main US demand is for Pakistan to go after Afghan Taleban chief Mullah Omar and senior members of the Haqqani militant network who are believed to be living along the Afghan border and leading the fight against foreign forces in Afghanistan.
Analysts believe Pakistani security officials are reluctant to target these figures because they have historical ties with them and view them as key allies in Afghanistan after foreign forces withdraw, an indication that pleasing the US is not a high priority and reflecting anti-US attitudes among the Pakistani people.
A survey taken before the Bin Laden raid by the Washington-based Pew Research Center showed US popularity in Pakistan has fallen to an all-time low. Just 11 percent of Pakistanis hold a favorable view of the US and Obama.
The survey, released Tuesday, polled 1,970 people in Pakistan in April and had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
© 2010 Arab News
By AZHAR MASOOD | ARAB NEWS
Published: May 16, 2011 23:32 Updated: May 16, 2011 23:32
ISLAMABAD: The US and Pakistan agreed Monday to work together in any future actions against high value targets in Pakistan, even as US Sen. John Kerry defended Washingtons decision not to tell Islamabad in advance about the American raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.
The pledge, which was made in a joint statement, could help mollify Pakistani officials and citizens, who were enraged that one of the countrys most important allies would conduct a unilateral operation on its soil. But details of the promised cooperation were unclear.
It was also unclear whether Kerry, the most high-profile American to visit Pakistan since the May 2 raid that killed Bin Laden, was able to extract any promises from Pakistan to go after Afghan Taleban militants long believed to be holed up on Pakistani territory.
US officials have increased pressure on Pakistan since Bin Laden was killed by US Navy SEALs in Abbottabad, an army town only about 55 kms outside the capital, Islamabad. But they also seem to be trying to balance their anger, aware of the risk of wholly severing ties with the nuclear-armed country. Pakistans cooperation is considered vital to ending the war in Afghanistan.
Kerrys comments during his visit mixed a tone of defiance with promises to work with Pakistan to rebuild the bilateral relationship. My goal in coming here has been to talk about how we manage this important relationship, said Kerry, who chairs the US Senates Foreign Relations Committee.
Kerry said Monday that he and Pakistani leaders have agreed to a series of steps to improve relations, but did not specify what they were.
He also said Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will soon announce plans to visit Pakistan a sign of confidence in the relationship.
With input from agencies
© 2010 Arab News
---------- Post added at 09:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:17 PM ----------
Pakistan, US try to make up after Bin Laden
By SEBASTIAN ABBOT AND KIMBERLY DOZIER | AP
Published: May 19, 2011 19:55 Updated: May 19, 2011 19:55
ISLAMABAD: Top US officials tried Thursday to patch up relations with Pakistani leaders miffed over the surprise American raid that killed Osama Bin Laden, even as members of the US Congress called for cuts in aid to Pakistan over suspicions that elements of its security forces sheltered the Al-Qaeda chief.
High-level talks by the deputy director of the CIA and President Barak Obamas special envoy underlined the strong mutual dependency of the two countries, despite the bad blood over the Bin Laden killing. The US needs Pakistan to help resolve the war in Afghanistan, and American funds are critical for propping up Pakistans economy and bankrolling its military.
The discussions come at a tense moment in relations between Pakistani intelligence and the CIA, as well as a low point in Pakistani views of the US, according to a poll.
Marc Grossman, the Obama administrations special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan, met with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and other senior officials to discuss relations in the wake of the May 2 Bin Laden raid, the presidents office said.
Michael Morell, deputy director of the CIA, was set to meet with Pakistani intelligence chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, said Pakistani officials briefed on the visit. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
The officials said that while they considered it a positive sign that a high-ranking US intelligence official was making the trip, they expected little concrete to come out of it.
The relationship between the CIA and Pakistans powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency is key to the US fight against Al-Qaeda and the Taleban. But the relationship was strained even before US Navy SEALs killed Bin Laden in Abbottabad, an army town just 35 miles (56 kilometers) from Islamabad, and has reached a new low since.
Pakistani intelligence has conducted no joint operations and all but cut off contact with their CIA counterparts since the Bin Laden raid, said the Pakistani officials.
The CIA would not comment on the reported trip. A US official would say only the goal for the ongoing discussions with Pakistans intelligence service is to cement a productive relationship, rooted in mutual interests. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive strategic discussions.
The relationship between the CIA and the ISI was already buffeted in January by the arrest and detention of CIA security contractor Raymond Davis for shooting dead two Pakistani men who Davis said were trying to rob him.
Davis was eventually released in March after the dead mens relatives agreed to accept blood money under Islamic tradition.
But only a day after his release, a covert CIA drone strike killed at least two dozen people in the Pakistani tribal areas people the CIA said were militants and the Pakistanis said were civilians. That dispute so soured the relationship that both sides agreed that CIA chief Leon Panetta and his Pakistani counterpart, Pasha, should meet face to face.
The two met at CIA headquarters in Langley less than two weeks before the Bin Laden raid. Pasha thought he secured an agreement in that meeting that the two sides would come up with a new high-value target list, and that CIA drones would be used only to hunt those targets, Pakistani officials said. But before he had returned to Pakistani soil, there was another drone strike in the tribal areas, so Pasha shut down communications, the officials said.
This tension shows how difficult it will be for the US to win greater Pakistani cooperation in fighting militants, even as it has provided the countrys military with billions of dollars over the past decade.
This week, five Democratic senators wrote to Obama administration officials questioning the aid arrangement with Pakistan over suspicions that elements in Pakistan knew Bin Laden was hiding near the capital and did not take action. The senators, among them Intelligence committee chairwoman Dianne Feinstein of California, said that while the US is slashing its budget, it makes no sense to give such enormous sums unless the US is certain Pakistan is rooting out terrorists within its borders.
The main US demand is for Pakistan to go after Afghan Taleban chief Mullah Omar and senior members of the Haqqani militant network who are believed to be living along the Afghan border and leading the fight against foreign forces in Afghanistan.
Analysts believe Pakistani security officials are reluctant to target these figures because they have historical ties with them and view them as key allies in Afghanistan after foreign forces withdraw, an indication that pleasing the US is not a high priority and reflecting anti-US attitudes among the Pakistani people.
A survey taken before the Bin Laden raid by the Washington-based Pew Research Center showed US popularity in Pakistan has fallen to an all-time low. Just 11 percent of Pakistanis hold a favorable view of the US and Obama.
The survey, released Tuesday, polled 1,970 people in Pakistan in April and had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
© 2010 Arab News
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Thats because either it was:
1. Fake osama
2. Was assured by americans of rescue operations after a bunch of CIA operatives like RD and DeHaven are busted.
3. Was a US agent hence sleeping peacefully in enemy terriotry unarmed
4. He has dementia or medical problems.
5. The whole operation was staged.
6. The american actually came to take him alive along with his household with knowledge in advance but chopper failure panicked them to shoot him.
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No he was not lying on the bed, but was preparing a plan to negotiate his capture while preventing a violent death. His first guess might have been that its Pak Army. However it didnt workout as he wished and he was not to be captured alive.
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Its definitely not Wahi, which you are getting claiming the whole episode is wrong, and everybody including
US govt
Pak govt
Nato forces
UNO
Taliban
US politicians
Pak Politicians
OBL's WIFE
OBL's FAMILY
OBL's daughter
and the list goes on and on, so they all are lying but your wahi is correct
US govt
Pak govt
Nato forces
UNO
Taliban
US politicians
Pak Politicians
OBL's WIFE
OBL's FAMILY
OBL's daughter
and the list goes on and on, so they all are lying but your wahi is correct
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Its definitely not Wahi, which you are getting claiming the whole episode is wrong, and everybody including
US govt
Pak govt
Nato forces
UNO
Taliban
US politicians
Pak Politicians
OBL's WIFE
OBL's FAMILY
OBL's daughter
and the list goes on and on, so they all are lying but your wahi is correct
Oh let me make it easier for you
US govt=Pak govt=Nato forces=UNO=US politicians=Pak Politicians.. Same thing, just different faces.. Word of mouth.. changing every min.. any proof?
Taliban=OBL's WIFE=OBL's FAMILY=OBL's daughter... Where are they? Have you seen them "stating" anything?
Talk "sarcasm" when you have solid proof in you hands mate.. At least we are using our brain to judge things.. You are just accepting what you "prophet" USA (naozobillah) said..
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Uh, I thought anything from the U.S. Media is automatically suspect, and rejected as lies. So is this U.S. military veteran telling the truth? Why is this the truth, and not the other story?
A CLONE of bin Laden? As in a REAL CLONE?! Like Dolly the Sheep?
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