Osaka, Japan, ended "sister city" relationship with San Francisco over sex slaves statue

[Tom99]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/9l9qwl/osaka_has_ended_its_60year_sister_city

It is sad that Japan to this day still trys to downplay and cover up the atrocities they have committed in the past. It is no wonder and understandable that people in China, South Korea and other Asian countries are still angry and felt hurt by the action of the Japanese government.

Hopefully one day the people of Japan and its government will come in term with their past war crimes and offer a sincere apology to repair these damage, move forward and build a better Asia society together.

 

[war&peace]

What is the problem bro you have with Japan?

 

[maximuswarrior]

Which other city would be a good substitute? Any Northern Indian city would do...

 

[313ghazi]

What is the problem bro you have with Japan?

Read WW2 history of Japan. Japan raped and murdered tens of millions during the war.

 

[waz]

Silly, childish move by Osaka's authorities. The need to except that the Imperial Army committed some of the worst crimes of the 20th century.

 

[Nilgiri]

Silly, childish move by Osaka's authorities. The need to except that the Imperial Army committed some of the worst crimes of the 20th century.

Bro you been to Japan? Visiting their museums and even their old historic shogun era forts/castles etc....really has quite extremist war crime apologist written everywhere (I remember one near Nagoya actually, they basically were saying on one placard it was fine to have slaughtered everyone inside the fort for the greater good etc etc). Their national war museum has next to nothing on Japanese war crimes, Japanese instigation of war on peaceful China etc etc or even to admit they attacked the US+Allies first.

Germany was punished so severely (probably too much both times) but Japan was treated very gently by US in comparison after WW2...so this attitude has continued in deep part of Japanese society and has not been challenged in any significant way.

Mind you I do appreciate Japanese cultural fortitude and nationalism in number of ways, but there must be balance on it....what I saw in Japan as to how they portray their actions in WW2 definitely disturbed me. Also disturbs me that from what I see in the world, this is level of attitude needed for a country to even have a good chance to retain its core identity....that we are presented A or B opposites only...rather than strike a good measured balance through reason and open debate.

Human nature seems to prefer this binary polarisation sadly. i.e that we need to break the nationalist back of a country utterly (like Germany) and it becomes way too soft across the board generally (if you look at it now in lot of its policies)....or we don't and give them benefit of doubt etc and they stay way too hard/uncompromising like Japan on the most unreasonable things (but keeps strong core nationalist self-identity unlike Germany). A pity it seems to be everything or nothing choice.

@rott @Two @Chinese-Dragon @That Guy @Cybernetics

 

[Jackdaws]

It's an Asian thing. Not accepting when our countries are wrong. Has India accepted its atrocities in Lanka or Kashmir? Has Pak accepted its atrocities in East Pakistan/Bangladesh? Or China in Tibet and Xinjiang?

There is a pretty good movie called "Tokyo Trials" which were the Asian equivalent of the Nuremberg Trials.

Credit to Germany and its citizens - they admitted their mistakes and are deeply ashamed about what happened.

 

[waz]

Bro you been to Japan? Visiting their museums and even their old historic shogun era forts/castles etc....really has quite extremist war crime apologist written everywhere (I remember one near Nagoya actually, they basically were saying on one placard it was fine to have slaughtered everyone inside the fort for the greater good etc etc). Their national war museum has next to nothing on Japanese war crimes, Japanese instigation of war on peaceful China etc etc or even to admit they attacked the US+Allies first.

Germany was punished so severely (probably too much both times) but Japan was treated very gently by US in comparison after WW2...so this attitude has continued in deep part of Japanese society and has not been challenged in any significant way.

Mind you I do appreciate Japanese cultural fortitude and nationalism in number of ways, but there must be balance on it....what I saw in Japan as to how they portray their actions in WW2 definitely disturbed me. Also disturbs me that from what I see in the world, this is level of attitude needed for a country to even have a good chance to retain its core identity....that we are presented A or B opposites only...rather than strike a good measured balance through reason and open debate.

Human nature seems to prefer this binary polarisation sadly. i.e that we need to break the nationalist back of a country utterly (like Germany) and it becomes way too soft across the board generally (if you look at it now in lot of its policies)....or we don't and give them benefit of doubt etc and they stay way too hard/uncompromising like Japan on the most unreasonable things (but keeps strong core nationalist self-identity unlike Germany). A pity it seems to be everything or nothing choice.

@rott @Two @Chinese-Dragon @That Guy @Cybernetics

Yes bro, twice actually. I have a good friend who is Japanese, the dude is so cool, lovely and polite but mention the war off he goes on about how the Japanese did nothing, there were some wayward soldiers (no official policy), the Chinese are cooking the whole thing up etc.

It's an Asian thing. Not accepting when our countries are wrong. Has India accepted its atrocities in Lanka or Kashmir? Has Pak accepted its atrocities in East Pakistan/Bangladesh? Or China in Tibet and Xinjiang?

There is a pretty good movie called "Tokyo Trials" which were the Asian equivalent of the Nuremberg Trials.

Credit to Germany and its citizens - they admitted their mistakes and are deeply ashamed about what happened.

Holier than holy everyone is bro, but hey welcome to the world we live in to any alien visitors.

 

[Suika]

Well done Osaka.

The history of the comfort women hasvbeen politicized. Japan has made plenty of apologies and provided compensation money. But the comfort women campaigners continue to inflate and exagerate the comfort women issue.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Well done Osaka.

The history of the comfort women hasvbeen politicized. Japan has made plenty of apologies and provided compensation money. But the comfort women campaigners continue to inflate and exagerate the comfort women issue.

What's your problem with a statue? LOL @ you if you think anyone else is going to indulge your country's (more likely the country you're squatting in) Holocaust denial. You really are contemptible, dead serious.

 

[Suika]

What's your problem with a statue? LOL @ you if you think anyone else is going to indulge your country's (more likely the country you're squatting in) Holocaust denial. You really are contemptible, dead serious.

The problem is that it is made with a narrative not supported by historical but made by a narrative that exaggerates Japanese Imperial Army atrocities and Korean victimizattion.

Another problem is that it is placed in a position for maximizing exposure rathdr than being kept in a place where reflection on history can be taken in a fair way.

The third problem is that the problem is taken out of historical context and applies today's standards on it.


A fourth problem is that elsewhere, in the past and today, human trafficing takes place. But The campaigners single out Japan for the sake of political goals.

A fifth problem is that it and other Japanese atrocities are compared to what Germany did in WW2. Japan did nothing comparable to the holacaust. Wars are hell but the holacaust went beyond it with its instutionalized raced based ideaology of mass genocide. Japan did commit atrocities and has apologized for it. But none are near the scope of the holacaust. The holacaust was a level uniquely bad in which Germany had to do something on a unique level to rectify.

 

[Sheepistanis]

Silly, childish move by Osaka's authorities. The need to except that the Imperial Army committed some of the worst crimes of the 20th century.

Nothing tops the two nuclear strikes which killed hundreds and thousands of people.

 

[dy1022]

shameless Japanese

 

[Jackdaws]

The problem is that it is made with a narrative not supported by historical but made by a narrative that exaggerates Japanese Imperial Army atrocities and Korean victimizattion.

Another problem is that it is placed in a position for maximizing exposure rathdr than being kept in a place where reflection on history can be taken in a fair way.

The third problem is that the problem is taken out of historical context and applies today's standards on it.


A fourth problem is that elsewhere, in the past and today, human trafficing takes place. But The campaigners single out Japan for the sake of political goals.

A fifth problem is that it and other Japanese atrocities are compared to what Germany did in WW2. Japan did nothing comparable to the holacaust. Wars are hell but the holacaust went beyond it with its instutionalized raced based ideaology of mass genocide. Japan did commit atrocities and has apologized for it. But none are near the scope of the holacaust. The holacaust was a level uniquely bad in which Germany had to do something on a unique level to rectify.

That pretty much sums it up - every Asian country has the same attitude - "We did it, but it wasn't as bad as our opponents say it was."

 

[haidian]

This move means nothing, Japan is still an US lapdog, at US becks and calls.