Orange Line agreement terms can’t be shared: commission

[FlyingAce]

It's the matter of time, all these Commission reports or agreements would come out & these crooks will be punished for their crimes, State cannot function like this at all....

 

[khanmubashir]

LAHORE: The Punjab Information Commission has declared that information about the Pak-China agreement on the Lahore Orange Line Metro Train Project cannot be provided as it is a federal issue and the Lahore High Court has also denied its disclosure.

Information about the executive and administrative decisions with approvals for execution of the agreement also cannot be provided due to the same reasons, the commission has declared, questioning nevertheless the inclusion of confidentiality clause in the provincial government’s agreement with the Chinese bank that is giving loan for the project.

It has said that ultimately, the government would have to disclose the documents about the commercial and financial agreements with EXIM Bank of China alongside details of repayment, and mark-up and consequences of delayed payments.

Therefore, the officials concerned should immediately seek “no objection” from the bank or have the agreements with it amended within two months so as to disclose information not prohibited by the information law. The bank must be consulted to allow it to protect its interests.

Info body disposes of plea with suggestions
The respondents must decide which parts of the agreements can be withheld under the law while the remaining parts of the agreements should be disclosed.

The commission gave the decision on Wednesday while disposing of a complaint lawyer Azhar Siddique and others filed on June 16 this year alleging that the Punjab government’s officials concerned had not provided them the requested information in response to their applications and reminders under the Punjab Transparency and Right to Information Act 2013.

It has declared that while signing contracts, the government must give due consideration to the compelling public interest in transparency of official transactions and must not agree to terms, which are in conflict with the Constitution or the Punjab Transparency and Right to Information Act 2013.

Any terms and conditions about confidentiality, which are agreed upon with local or foreign organisations, must have a strong justification in the context of interests protected in the Act, the commission says.

The commission says that while replying to a question the respondents (government) had confirmed during the hearing that the Orange Line’s loan is soft. However, no specific document has been identified in the application, which could be provided. So, the complainants may file a fresh application by providing description of the documents that may contain the information that they need.

It says the complainants should be provided with information about the tendering process for execution of EPC (engineering procurement contact), appointment of consultant, evaluation reports confirming the experience of local contractor, as according to Managing Director PMA through an affidavit before the LHC no liability of EPC contracts and their works shall be transferred on CR-NORINCO, the main contractor.The commission has ordered the respondents to provide all documents relating to the process of appointments of two experts from the private sector for a study of control of vibrations, invoice and foundation undermining for protection of heritage sites, and for heritage impact assessment.

The questions about reliance on Nespak report on vibration effects, chief minister’s claim of saving Rs78 billion and documents about direct or indirect linkage of the train with CPEC, and reasons for making the project as harvesting project of CPEC are either not specific or are about reasons, and that the respondents are not required to provide their opinion when the questions are about reasons, and not about information documented in record, the commission says.

Therefore, it orders, the respondents should inform the complainants in writing, where applicable, that the information does not exist in recorded form and, therefore, it cannot be provided.

Where the questions asked are vague or not specific, the complainants may file fresh applications by providing description of information or documents that they need.

It has asked the government to provide the information ordered by it by Dec 27.

Published in Dawn December 15th, 2016

http://www.dawn.com/news/1302469

the Lahore High Court has also denied its disclosure well


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/orange-l...’t-be-shared-commission.467432/#ixzz4TIfrBXmg

 

[mr42O]

Hi Sir, its you again. You bring the most interesting, without second source, conspiracy theories to all of us poor members on here. Great work

By the way, is this new being shared on some serious media outlets? This would be an international news as there are a few international players involved here, so CNN, the BBC and AlJazeera would for sure publish it. Where are links to some serious media stuff. Wait, is it one of those "conspiracy theories" for "propaganda only"?

lolz Here we have u again.... asking most wired and funny questions. Sorry i dont have time for your bullshit

 

[I S I]

Lol jee . yeh b imran khan pe daal doh . metro k record jala deya . LNG k price Jo qatri se ley ha ush k price bata nhie saktay . coz of PTI . how shameless can be PMLN supporters

Imran will be responsible for WWIII. Happy?

 

[mr42O]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1219782261445197

 

[DJ_Viper]

lolz Here we have u again.... asking most wired and funny questions. Sorry i dont have time for your bullshit

How nice of you? I love your silly posts, continue to write the propaganda and made up stuff. I can help you start a Satirical website or a magazine if you want, you'd do really good with that in life

 

[salarsikander]

How nice of you? I love your silly posts, continue to write the propaganda and made up stuff. I can help you start a Satirical website or a magazine if you want, you'd do really good with that in life

So why do you think it is not being disclosed ?

Vipers at it again

 

[DJ_Viper]

So why do you think it is not being disclosed ?

Vipers at it again

You know, I honestly don't know why a project's details can't be disclosed. But at the same time, I've read a bunch of stuff here which, when you research out of curiosity, is bullshiit and only one favorite media outlet supports it.

So, unless I hear it from other media sources, or the Chinese themselves, or the Turks, I'd call this bullshiit. In fact, any news like this, where there isn't a verifiable link, and some cheap anchor or journalist is running shows to raise ratings, its worthless to me. I like to see real issues. Not helping loser journalists with cheap propaganda.

If you can show me something real, I'd be the last one to question and would agree with you. But show me the proofs. Not everything can be a ghost buster

 

[salarsikander]

You know, I honestly don't know why a project's details can't be disclosed. But at the same time, I've read a bunch of stuff here which, when you research out of curiosity, is bullshiit and only one favorite media outlet supports it.

So, unless I hear it from other media sources, or the Chinese themselves, or the Turks, I'd call this bullshiit. In fact, any news like this, where there isn't a verifiable link, and some cheap anchor or journalist is running shows to raise ratings, its worthless to me. I like to see real issues. Not helping loser journalists with cheap propaganda.

If you can show me something real, I'd be the last one to question and would agree with you. But show me the proofs. Not everything can be a ghost buster

I am afraid as an non Pakistani citizen your views in internal don't mean jackshit. Another viper which was banned also vigorously defended anything that went against Ganjas. So it is quite apparent where an american confused desis loyalty lies.

I wonder why turk would report it or Chinese for that matter, by the way if it helps you it was same dawn news that stood by it words regarding the lekageof info by Cyril alemdia. So again suggesting anything as stupid as you have because it goes against ganja shows how much of biased you're.

Dismissing something merely because t goes against the corrupt regime. Since you have dismissed it already how about you find us some info on orange metro just to prove the theory wrong ?

 

[DJ_Viper]

I am afraid as an non Pakistani citizen your views in internal don't mean jackshit. Another viper which was banned also vigorously defended anything that went against Ganjas. So it is quite apparent where an american confused desis loyalty lies.

I wonder why turk would report it or Chinese for that matter, by the way if it helps you it was same dawn news that stood by it words regarding the lekageof info by Cyril alemdia. So again suggesting anything as stupid as you have because it goes against ganja shows how much of biased you're.

Dismissing something merely because t goes against the corrupt regime. Since you have dismissed it already how about you find us some info on orange metro just to prove the theory wrong ?

Sir, to be honest with you, I have no fvcking idea what you are talking about. If you run this site and are threatening me to be banned, by all means ban me. If I was you, I would appreciate a third party view.

I don't understand your issue in the above nor some stuff you say makes sense to me. I read up on threads right here on thus forum and see stuff that doesn't pass common sense or logic. To which, I question. Like I just asked someone 5 minutes ago that why a hydro project that was supposed to be built 40 years ago, hasn't been built and why not. So when he answers me, I'll research his answers on google and on other media to see what I can learn. If his version is "his", like ethnic based or family love with his own politicians, than I'll ignore it and will question him. Same thing here, there is so much crap that gets posted but doesn't have backings. So I am sorry if it hurts your feeling, but its a reader's right to ask where are the credible links. You can't scream the "Bear is here" every day all month and the Bear is never hear and no one seems to even know about a Bear. Thanks

 

[xyxmt]

[QUOTE="Jzaib, post: 9025737, member: 146665"

Lol jee . ap k commsion pe nazar rakhyain ush se b Pakistan ko katra ha . no wonder PM get billion of dollars gift .[/QUOTE]

as long as he doing something, still better than the ones who are "not doing corruption" and not doing anything at all

 

[salarsikander]

Sir, to be honest with you, I have no fvcking idea what you are talking about. If you run this site and are threatening me to be banned, by all means ban me. If I was you, I would appreciate a third party view.

I don't understand your issue in the above nor some stuff you say makes sense to me. I read up on threads right here on thus forum and see stuff that doesn't pass common sense or logic. To which, I question. Like I just asked someone 5 minutes ago that why a hydro project that was supposed to be built 40 years ago, hasn't been built and why not. So when he answers me, I'll research his answers on google and on other media to see what I can learn. If his version is "his", like ethnic based or family love with his own politicians, than I'll ignore it and will question him. Same thing here, there is so much crap that gets posted but doesn't have backings. So I am sorry if it hurts your feeling, but its a reader's right to ask where are the credible links. You can't scream the "Bear is here" every day all month and the Bear is never hear and no one seems to even know about a Bear. Thanks

Ofc ganja s dogs have no fucking idea on how things are actually to be run. Hence, when a logic is thrown at them they can't comprehend it and start shooting the messenger.

I could care less of what crap you read or not. That doesn't change a bit of stance from corrupt regime, hence who h is why suggested you after you shot the messenger that can you post the info which is blocked by LHC on orange train. Can you ? Or will you ? That remains to be seen.

[QUOTE="Jzaib, post: 9025737, member: 146665"

Lol jee . ap k commsion pe nazar rakhyain ush se b Pakistan ko katra ha . no wonder PM get billion of dollars gift .

as long as he doing something, still better than the ones who are "not doing corruption" and not doing anything at all[/QUOTE]
Very narrow minded mentality, in regards to governance. Typical dehati soch. Pathetic

 

[xyxmt]

Ofc ganja s dogs have no fucking idea on how things are actually to be run. Hence, when a logic is thrown at them they can't comprehend it and start shooting the messenger.

I could care less of what crap you read or not. That doesn't change a bit of stance from corrupt regime, hence who h is why suggested you after you shot the messenger that can you post the info which is blocked by LHC on orange train. Can you ? Or will you ? That remains to be seen.



as long as he doing something, still better than the ones who are "not doing corruption" and not doing anything at all

First put the quote properly you retard so it makes sense

LMAO you and logic, you people are the dumbest flock I ever come across, you are like a herd of sheeps following a dumbest of them all sheep and uttering whatever he does and just keep repeating it (best part is, it was whispered in in ears by someone else), yapping about corruption yet their MNA taking 200,000/month as salary while refusing to accept it as ligitimate.

f'ing dooghley bunch

 

[salarsikander]

Very narrow minded mentality, in regards to governance. Typical dehati soch. Pathetic

LMAO you and logic, you people are the dumbest flock I ever come across, you are like a herd of sheeps following a dumbest of them all sheep and uttering whatever he does and just keep repeating it (best part is, it was whispered in in ears by someone else)[/QUOTE]
Says the one who is juysfying corruption for the same of penaut developments. Lol.

Even living abroad has not changed your dehati mentality. It is no wonder painduus like you deserved to get *** raoed from current corrupt regime.

 

[xyxmt]

LMAO you and logic, you people are the dumbest flock I ever come across, you are like a herd of sheeps following a dumbest of them all sheep and uttering whatever he does and just keep repeating it (best part is, it was whispered in in ears by someone else)
Says the one who is juysfying corruption for the same of penaut developments. Lol.

Even living abroad has not changed your dehati mentality. It is no wonder painduus like you deserved to get *** raoed from current corrupt regime.

put the fcuking quotes properly you retard!!