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Opposition to bring no-trust motion against CM Usman Buzdar: sources

LoL thats just Karachi you are mentioning. But am talking about whole of Punjab, Punjab total contribution you need to study hard, which is nearly 70% to Pakistan Economy. Karachi contribution in city by city is no doubt 40%, Lahore 20% and Islamabad 19%. But if you calculate closely Punjab has over 58 to 60 cities. Sum up total income contribution from 60 cities of Punjab, Karachi or Sindh, KPK, Balochistan are far far left behind. They can not match 70% income and money contribution in Pakistan's Economy!
...and you did not read the report.
Just One Karachi market gives more tax than all of Lahore, Islamabad combined. And these are FBR figures not made up by me.

In fact, the tax collected from Karachi’s six biggest markets is more than the tax collected from the biggest markets in Lahore, Rawalpindi, Islamabad and Faisalabad combined.
Now you can extrapolate
 
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Margret thatcher was forced to resign when she lost confidence of her own party members. Boris Johnson also became UK P.M. through political machinations against Teresa May. This is the standard parliamentary procedure in democracies. It is neither abnormal nor anything to worry about for a popular leader.

PTI is a minority government therefore it was extremely important to keep the party members and the allies together. Apparently Imran Khan has failed to do so. For example if a large section of his party is unhappy with Buzdar; why couldn't be preplaced as Chief Minister of Punjab?

Problem in Pakistan is the 'Hero worship' of the leader by the some of the members of his own party that's why all the commotion.
They get different leaders

We get the same lanats over and over again
 
Coalition govt getting toppled is normal everywhere.
But in Pakistan, huge sum of ill gotten money, blackmailing and provincial and regional cards are used. Weird thing is that more corruption, easy it is ignored.
In Pakistani system the level of corruption has become gold standard, otherwise no issue one govt loosing majority and other govt come in the same parliament. Happened so many times in Japan not so long ago.
Change Manga and murree before, now Sindh house as epicenter of member stock market?
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You are quite correct. However, Imran had some extremely rich supporters such as Jehangir Tareen. Many so called 'electables' were persuaded to join the PTI by his efforts which enabled PTI to win 35 seats in 2013 election from a mere handful in 2008 and 149 in 2018. It would be very naïve to presume that 'electables' switched to PTI from PML-N and PPP purely from the goodness of their heart but when the same people ditch PTI it is thru bribery! Horse trading and being the 'Lota' is endemic in Pakistan politics and would remain so in the foreseeable future.

Even if one ignores the issue of bad governance; most would agree that aside from the dissatisfaction caused by the doubling of prices off most food items, gas and motor fuels; the primary reason from the current problems are machinations due to Aleem Khan & Jehangir Tareen and the arrogance of Imran Khan. That implies that Imran has not been able to control his party members.
 
Even if one ignores the issue of bad governance; most would agree that aside from the dissatisfaction caused by the doubling of prices off most food items, gas and motor fuels;

Inflation is a problem around the world. Pakistan is still one of the cheapest on the planet. Bad governance is contracting out roads and siphoning off money and the road ends up costing 50x. The country didn't even have a universal syllabus up until now. Literally the only thing they cared about were their "projects" and laundering the money out of the country.
 
You are quite correct. However, Imran had some extremely rich supporters such as Jehangir Tareen. Many so called 'electables' were persuaded to join the PTI by his efforts which enabled PTI to win 35 seats in 2013 election from a mere handful in 2008 and 149 in 2018. It would be very naïve to presume that 'electables' switched to PTI from PML-N and PPP purely from the goodness of their heart but when the same people ditch PTI it is thru bribery! Horse trading and being the 'Lota' is endemic in Pakistan politics and would remain so in the foreseeable future.

Even if one ignores the issue of bad governance; most would agree that aside from the dissatisfaction caused by the doubling of prices off most food items, gas and motor fuels; the primary reason from the current problems are machinations due to Aleem Khan & Jehangir Tareen and the arrogance of Imran Khan. That implies that Imran has not been able to control his party members.
IK had made many mistakes.
But Lotas are offered many things, permits, quota in government jobs, in general do whatever from commissions and omissions.

As compared to dynastic dirty political mafia and then their sons and daughters will rule us, the very feeling is like vomit, so IK is much preferable than these corrupts feudals of 14th century.
 
IK had made many mistakes.
But Lotas are offered many things, permits, quota in government jobs, in general do whatever from commissions and omissions.

As compared to dynastic dirty political mafia and then their sons and daughters will rule us, the very feeling is like vomit, so IK is much preferable than these corrupts feudals of 14th century.



My point Sir is that Imran Khan is as much of a 'Horse Trader' as Zardari 0r Nawaz Sharif, how else he could mange to get his man elected as Chairman of the Senate when the opposition had a substantial majority?

Admittedly Nawaz Sharif's supporters committed the despicable crime of attacking the Supreme Court and thru machinations replaced the Chief Justice. Also during PML_N the Model Town incident occurred resulting in the loss of life of 14 Pakistanis. However we see that Imran supports do as much 'Goonda Gardi' as PML-or any other Pakistani leader. How could anyone justify attack on TV offices during his 'Dharna' and now on the Sind House in Islamabad?

Imran khan claims that he is different and wants to create a 'Riasat Medina' in Pakistan. Was such thuggery practiced in the 'Riasat Medina'? You are of course free to choose any leader that you like; regrettably in my book all the political leaders are equally bad. Arguably the other two were corrupt whereas Imran is incompetent. It is the lack of competent and honest leaders that even Bangla Desh has economically moved ahead of Pakistan.
 
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Usman buzdar is as bad as he is...and onus lies on IK for putting this joker over there... But where did you get this figure Punjab contributes 70% to federal govt?
FBR has reported one Karachi market gives more tax than all of Lahore.
Punjab give nothing to exchequer. They just get most from NFC based upon population.
wtf are you talking about- is industrial triangle a joke or the agriculture, or the IT services?
 
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the primary reason from the current problems are machinations due to Aleem Khan & Jehangir Tareen and the arrogance of Imran Khan. That implies that Imran has not been able to control his party members.
That's completely what I have been saying here. IK seems to be living in some other world. The people who admires him and understand his personality , is precisely why advocating Presidential rule in Pakistan for this very reason which ofcourse cannot be implemented.
 
Margret thatcher was forced to resign when she lost confidence of her own party members. Boris Johnson also became UK P.M. through political machinations against Teresa May. This is the standard parliamentary procedure in democracies. It is neither abnormal nor anything to worry about for a popular leader.

PTI is a minority government therefore it was extremely important to keep the party members and the allies together. Apparently Imran Khan has failed to do so. For example if a large section of his party is unhappy with Buzdar; why couldn't be preplaced as Chief Minister of Punjab?

Problem in Pakistan is the 'Hero worship' of the leader by the some of the members of his own party that's why all the commotion.

The crux of the issue isn't a democratic government being removed through a no-confidence motion. It should be done by all means.

And the PTI coalition had it's many faults as well. There were instances where they didn't keep their allies happy. Now, whether that was right or wrong as a whole is another debate.

But, the manner in which this no-confidence is being carried out is another debate altogether, and the real issue. Disregarding the foreign angle for a minute (why would the US Charge d' Affairs meet Fazulr Rehman and Maryam?), do you believe that it is right to topple a government by buying votes of government MNA's through money and tickets? You just sold yourself to the highest bidder. You did not represent your constituency, you did not represent your party ticket, but sold yourself and your vote, in supposedly the highest democratic forum of the country.

If you believe the government isn't working as it should, resign from the government ticket, and contest elections again and let the people decide. They can vote out the government, and then an in-house change can be carried out.

the primary reason from the current problems are machinations due to Aleem Khan & Jehangir Tareen and the arrogance of Imran Khan. That implies that Imran has not been able to control his party members.

That is the problem here.

You do not serve the fragile egos of these MNA's, you do not give them development funds (read bribes), not have them sitting in the front row of a press conference, not plaster their face on a poster, and they get offended.

Now tell me sir, btw, you are one of the few people in this forum I genuinely respect and like to read posts of, how can a government perform across the board accountability including in it's own ranks, when you have seen what that leads to? You remain bipartisan, let an institution do it's job, and what happens is that your party members then blackmail you? How can you have across the board accountability in this atmosphere?

What happened to Aleem Khan isn't anything new. I personally know of people who were jailed by NAB for 1.5 years consecutively just for an allegation of a mere Rs 300,000. And they weren't even politically affiliated! After 1.5 years the high court granted them bail and ordered NAB to wrap up this sham. Point being, NAB doesn't display this ineptness against politicians only, but to everyone in this land.
 
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My point Sir is that Imran Khan is as much of a 'Horse Trader' as Zardari 0r Nawaz Sharif, how else he could mange to get his man elected as Chairman of the Senate when the opposition had a substantial majority?

Admittedly Nawaz Sharif's supporters committed the despicable crime of attacking the Supreme Court and thru machinations replaced the Chief Justice. Also during PML_N the Model Town incident occurred resulting in the loss of life of 14 Pakistanis. However we see that Imran supports do as much 'Goonda Gardi' as PML-or any other Pakistani leader. How could anyone justify attack on TV offices during his 'Dharna' and now on the Sind House in Islamabad?

Imran khan claims that he is different and wants to create a 'Riasat Medina' in Pakistan. Was such thuggery practiced in the 'Riasat Medina'? You are of course free to choose any leader that you like; regrettably in my book all the political leaders are equally bad. Arguably the other two were corrupt whereas Imran is incompetent. It is the lack of competent and honest leaders that even Bangla Desh has economically moved ahead of Pakistan.
I mostly agree with you, but in real world idealism does not work.
Imran Khan did not organize his party, select good people for elections - his idea was once he comes to Powe he will fix things. That was just so naivety.
I took Part in student politics in my teens. Even at that age we worked so hard to organize our cader, and he has no discipline and organization in PTI.

So IK is facing results of his decision making. Still the very thought that after pathological corrupt house of sharif and sociopathically criminal zardari, their grand sons and daughters are licking their tongues to rule us makes me horrified.
 

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