Opinion: Pakistan must become an authoritarian state to progress

[El Sidd]

Yeah, things would be different for a Wahabi secular who in heart hates that kind of system. I know.

Nobody is interested in Zombie Republic.

 

[Aspen]

Few points to note;

1. There are no shortcuts. We HAVE to pass through this test of fire. Rinse and repeat cycle of democracy till we get a critical mass of honest people in parliament, civil service, business, media etc.
2. Its not like we have not had experience with military rule--tried and failed thrice. First military rule led to 71. Second led to AK-47 and mullahism, third led to massive and unprecedented levels of undesired involvement of military in commercial enterprises along with incidents of corruption. The one institute that actually works in Pakistan lost respect and barely returned from edge of chaos. If anyone wants to ask what this time was--it was last days of Gen Mush and tenure Gen Kiyani. Great credit goes to Gen Raheel Sharif for restoring the respect of Fauj among common Pakistanis.
3. Current model of a hybrid rule is the need of time. Let the civilian setup continue while fauj works in the background on some key issues. Let the PEOPLE, not fauj or judiciary, clean out this kachra of PDM. Do NOT repeat the mistake of turning these corrupt assholes in to martyrs--we are still struggling with the Bhuttos because of this very reason.
4. Examples of South Korea, Singapore are irrelevant because they were from a different era and different cultures. South Koreans were so poor that a majority of their population did not have two meals a day and there were very few irritants. Pakistan is different because we have a significant and well established column of businessmen, judges, media persons & civil/military officers with enough resources and connections to sabotage even the strongest of dictators. And there there is social media and backlash from international community.

1. When has this ever worked?

2. One could make a VERY strong case that civil govts in Pakistan were even bigger failures and definitely more corrupt. There is no such thing as a successful gov't in Pakistan. Gov'ts in Pakistan are usually seen as either a failure or a catastrophic failure.

3. You cannot say with a straight face that the current gov't is making any real long term progress. There are a lot of obvious and basic reforms that PTI should have implemented or at least attempted to implement yesterday if it was serious about reforming the gov't. They have not done these basic reforms either because they don't want to or because they can't, I'm not sure which is worse. There are too many examples to list and I will make a separate post about that. Gov't has good intentions but they are very naive and that is putting it kindly. They focus on the wrong priorities and trust a lot of people that they should never have trusted. The biggest example of focusing on the wrong priorities is trying to secure IMF bailouts instead of fixing tax regime. Another example is trying to lure in western investment with foreign dollars instead of giving those same cash incentives to Pakistani entrepreneurs and VC's which puts less pressure on local currency. Another example is failing to reciprocate trade deals to secure visa free access for Pakistani nationals in foreign countries to strengthen Pakistani passport. Firing all PSM employees instead of retraining them to work in a different sector was a gift of ammo to PDM because every single former PSM employee will now vote PDM in next election. Gov't allocated huge budgets to build dams everywhere but somehow not a single person did the risk analysis to realize that building Ravi waterfront city on an extremely high risk flood zone that floods almost every single year is like signing people's death certificate. Gov't should have spent the last few years tightening the screws on NAB so that the 100 million people working in Pakistan's informal sector can stop being afraid of being next target of NAB and start contributing to formal economy without living in shadows. Instead what does gov't do? They hand NAB a blank check to embolden them to go after anyone that is an enemy of PTI and then wonder why informal sector is at a record high. Judiciary of Pakistan is a disgrace not only to Pakistanis but also to anyone that is brave enough to invest their hard earned money in a country as judicially unstable as Pakistan. PTI should have made it a top priority on day 1 to fix the judiciary. Instead, judges decide to go piss on Reko Diq lawyers in international courts because they know PTI will have their back. I could give many more examples.

There is criminal incompetence in PTI at every level. If this is the best Pakistan has got, then we are in big trouble.

Democracy is a waste of time. We need leadership to have the approval of people, but the popularity contest farce we partake in right now is ridiculous. Also how can a country where 50% of people are illiterate and the vast majority politically illiterate - even be trusted to vote appropriately? It can't and shouldn't.

The thing is how do you not end up with a dictator - if the all powerful leader is shit, how do you change him? How do we end up with a system that can't be hijacked by those in power (like our current one).

That is the tradeoff, a authoritarian leader is harder to replace but if they are good then you win big. That is the risk you have to take. Democracy is less risky but is also completely unable to deliver the kind of radical reform a country like Pakistan needs. So you have to be willing to take the risk of an authoritarian leader and see what happens.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Yes we need military rule in which if someone spit, he will end up in jail. Constitution should be removed. A document is needed where Arabs and opposite party Irani living in Pakistan should be declared as refugees with no benefits at all. Give them jobs of clerk etc. Hahaha Christians in this country should be promoted and should be labelled as corruption free people. Hire Christian people from Europe for government institutions.

All educated pakistani people must pass a test of intermediate English. All pakistani citizens serving in government institutions should immediately be removed until complete check of their degrees and certifications. All corrupt officers serving in government institutions should be punished and send them to jail for the rest of their lives.

If any political party do dharna or basmashi, simply finish them like fake encounters, vanishing etc. It's easy.

Their must be limits set for ummah chummah. They should never interfere in political process. If found guilty, same 20 years in jail for every ummah chummah.

All pakistani people should learn ethics. All abusers and violence lovers should be asked to show their violence on their loved ones in public. After this, start violence on them. Unlimited violence in jail like some without hands, some without ears etc.

Pakistan will learn through violence and fear. Police should work under army general and all provinces must have at least 12 retired generals who can easily run any province.

Afghanistan and Iran border should be sealed. Make loc hot and give education to citizens about war. War hysteria is necessary. There must be restriction on more than two kids. If found guilty, kill the couple.

Pakistani citizens should stay in limit. Kill all who want independence. Become a killing machine. We need strict rules and military generals to help guide our country towards a glorious path.

If anybody put trash on road, ask him to clean it with their tongues. Continue violence on citizens until these corrupts learn.

 

[El Sidd]

Yes we need military rule in which if someone spit, he will end up in jail. Constitution should be removed. A document is needed where Arabs and opposite party Irani living in Pakistan should be declared as refugees with no benefits at all. Give them jobs of clerk etc. Hahaha Christians in this country should be promoted and should be labelled as corruption free people. Hire Christian people from Europe for government institutions.

All educated pakistani people must pass a test of intermediate English. All pakistani citizens serving in government institutions should immediately be removed until complete check of their degrees and certifications. All corrupt officers serving in government institutions should be punished and send them to jail for the rest of their lives.

If any political party do dharna or basmashi, simply finish them like fake encounters, vanishing etc. It's easy.

Their must be limits set for ummah chummah. They should never interfere in political process. If found guilty, same 20 years in jail for every ummah chummah.

All pakistani people should learn ethics. All abusers and violence lovers should be asked to show their violence on their loved ones in public. After this, start violence on them. Unlimited violence in jail like some without hands, some without ears etc.

Pakistan will learn through violence and fear. Police should work under army general and all provinces must have at least 12 retired generals who can easily run any province.

Afghanistan and Iran border should be sealed. Make loc hot and give education to citizens about war. War hysteria is necessary. There must be restriction on more than two kids. If found guilty, kill the couple.

Pakistani citizens should stay in limit. Kill all who want independence. Become a killing machine. We need strict rules and military generals to help guide our country towards a glorious path.

If anybody put trash on road, ask him to clean it with their tongues. Continue violence on citizens until these corrupts learn.

the most important question now are the access to food and medicine in jail. i am assuming in your world an average citizen would be spending more time in jail than his home

 

[Arsalan 345]

the most important question now are the access to food and medicine in jail. i am assuming in your world an average citizen would be spending more time in jail than his home

What is your status? Are you refugee( rule for Arabs and Iran)? In new rule, no place for Arabs or Iran. Even common pakistani people have no rights and that's good because people like you will learn when army kick you from their own boots. We all deserve army boots. I deserve violence. We all deserve it. Deep in your heart you know that you are also corrupt. Time for audit el side hahaha.

 

[El Sidd]

What is your status?

Pakistani citizen of the free world.

Are you refugee?

Only in Pakistan

Deep in your heart you know that you are also corrupt.

But I won't be judging myself at the end of the day

Time for audit el side hahaha

Bring it on Shabbar. 3 governments on earth owe me money

 

[Aspen]

Bro, you are looking for Wilayat Al-Faqih. That's what you are seeking for.

We have democracy and at the same time we have a leader who steps in when everyone loses hope in solving problems through democracy. Islam as a religion is based upon that principle, prophet Mohammad PBUH was the inventor of this ideological system that corrects itself. The problem is you need someone that doesn't want anything but the goodness and welfare of his followers. You need someone having no greed or avarice towards Shahavaat. Its absolutely hard to find someone in that shape, the One that you can put your faith in him.

If you have doubt in functionality of wilayat al Faqih then look at Iran. Standing like a mountain in the hard and dark times of today having plenty of enemies sorrounding it USA UK Israel KSA to name a few. But what is keeping us from harms, who is it that holds us unified, its our leader.

One thing that I like about Velayat-al-Faqih is that you get the best of both worlds. Iran has the benefit of a democratic system but with a leader firmly in control who can override it on rare occasions when advised to by his faqih. I think it is the secret to Iran's success at dealing with so many enemies. I have to say I am surprised more countries don't adopt this model because it works much better than a purely democratic or a purely authoritarian system. It has the power to cut through red tape like a knife while delegating power to the people at the same time.

 

[Mentee]

Shoulda woulda coulda but can't change ourselves

 

[Arsalan 345]

Pakistani citizen of the free world.
Only in Pakistan
But I won't be judging myself at the end of the day

Bring it on Shabbar. 3 governments on earth owe me money

Whatever but you need to eliminate evil which is corruption and for this, we need severe punishment. All in all, we can change but time is running out.

 

[El Sidd]

Whatever but you need to eliminate evil which is corruption and for this, we need severe punishment. All in all, we can change but time is running out.

I have proposed death penalty for corruption equivalent to the cheapest life saving drug available.

The weak and poor cannot hold the rich and powerful accountable anywhere in the world. It is upto survival instinct of every society to rise beyond the evil of corruption.

There's too much money in Pakistan but too unjust distribution. People get tempted easily by the first chance they get to break the cycle. 20 years of consumerist mass propaganda and material outward thinking has created this disaster for Pakistan. 20 years of accountability is not some utopian dream but a matter of moral obligation to anyone sworn oath as citizen of the country.

Pakistanis need to break some idols.

 

[Aspen]

I have proposed death penalty for corruption equivalent to the cheapest life saving drug available.

The weak and poor cannot hold the rich and powerful accountable anywhere in the world. It is upto survival instinct of every society to rise beyond the evil of corruption.

There's too much money in Pakistan but too unjust distribution. People get tempted easily by the first chance they get to break the cycle. 20 years of consumerist mass propaganda and material outward thinking has created this disaster for Pakistan. 20 years of accountability is not some utopian dream but a matter of moral obligation to anyone sworn oath as citizen of the country.

Pakistanis need to break some idols.

Not only that but also outflow circulation. Everyone knows jobs are fleeing Pakistan but their money is fleeing with them. Money circulating within Pakistan through jobs and income in Pakistan is more valuable than remittances as it creates less downward pressure on currency.

I think people in Pakistan are not paying enough attention to Chinese concept of dual circulation.

What we know about China's 'dual circulation' economic strategy

China has unveiled a "dual circulation" strategy to cut its dependence on overseas markets and technology in its long-term development, a shift brought on by a deepening rift with the United States.

www.reuters.com

 

[El Sidd]

Not only that but also outflow circulation. Everyone knows jobs are fleeing Pakistan but their money is fleeing with them. Money circulating within Pakistan through jobs and income in Pakistan is more valuable than remittances as it creates less downward pressure on currency.

I think people in Pakistan are not paying enough attention to Chinese concept of dual circulation.

What we know about China's 'dual circulation' economic strategy

China has unveiled a "dual circulation" strategy to cut its dependence on overseas markets and technology in its long-term development, a shift brought on by a deepening rift with the United States.

www.reuters.com

You don't want to know the money that goes out of the country.

 

[Arsalan 345]

I have proposed death penalty for corruption equivalent to the cheapest life saving drug available.

The weak and poor cannot hold the rich and powerful accountable anywhere in the world. It is upto survival instinct of every society to rise beyond the evil of corruption.

There's too much money in Pakistan but too unjust distribution. People get tempted easily by the first chance they get to break the cycle. 20 years of consumerist mass propaganda and material outward thinking has created this disaster for Pakistan. 20 years of accountability is not some utopian dream but a matter of moral obligation to anyone sworn oath as citizen of the country.

Pakistanis need to break some idols.

I want change. I want a system in which everyone is accountable, even me or you. Countries are progressing fast and you can see all new technologies evolving rapidly. You can see where we are standing right now. Constitution should not restrict non Muslims. If Muslims are not performing, give chance to others. Europe has proved that countries can progress. For God's sake, they have seen world war and were affected badly but look at them now. Look at their airlines, their railways, their shopping malls, their streets, everything is so beautiful because there is very little corruption. I think we are going downward and I can't rule out civil war. Pakistan is not changing, not evolving.look at India, our enemy! They can send their own satellites in space. Look where we are standing. Same stone age mentality with obsolete ideas. If a king can save system, let him save. let military rule. Let people fear for their lives!

 

[El Sidd]

I want change. I want a system in which everyone is accountable, even me or you. Countries are progressing fast and you can see all new technologies evolving rapidly. You can see where we are standing right now. Constitution should not restrict non Muslims. If Muslims are not performing, give chance to others. Europe has proved that countries can progress. For God's sake, they have seen world war and were affected badly but look at them now. Look at their airlines, their railways, their shopping malls, their streets, everything is so beautiful because there is very little corruption. I think we are going downward and I can't rule out civil war. Pakistan is not changing, not evolving.look at India, our enemy! They can send their own satellites in space. Look where we are standing. Same stone age mentality with obsolete ideas. If a king can save system, let him save. let military rule. Let people fear for their lives!

You can put a martian in place. You would be out on the street again with another slogan and another political flag.

The system is catered for the needs of individuals who have the most material stake in the country. These individuals draw power from both me and you from our most deepest weaknesses.

Cheech and Chong are not wrong. They are just unlucky. Otherwise austerity and agricultural drive were ideas for the masses. They just forgot the worlds number one rule that symbolic accountability is artificial breath of life to any regime.

Simply put you are facing problems because people have lost the fear of life and death. Neither could the citizens be given love of life nor glory in death. This is the most dangerous status quo for any government out there solving the governance puzzle. In Pakistan it's tribal warfare for power infused with sectarianism.

 

[SQ8]

Pakistan should hold elections every week on Friday prayers with anyone who is not re-elected disqualified. If you cannot perform within a week you cannot perform at all.