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Opinion: Iranian-Turkish rivalry; strengths and weaknesses

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The Iranian-Turkish rivalry is as old as history. Oldest Iranian poem book is devoted to the rivalry and wars of Iran with Romans and Turks. Persian Sassanid dynasty experienced the same type of wars with Huns and Romans too. Afterwards, the Ottoman-Safavid rivalry is prominent.
Nowadays, a new Iranian-Turkish rivalry is seen in Africa, Middle East and central Asia.
Here, I want to classify the advantages and disadvantages of each side:
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##Turkey Advantages:
1. A good economy based on huge foreign investments and independent of oil revenues.
2. A strategic location that connects Asia to Europe, dominating over black sea canals, can block Russia.
3. A good military especially regarding air force (phantoms, F16 and F35 to come), navy, Tanks, …
4. Water resources
5. Large population
6. Friendship with neighbors of neighbors, some Balkan countries, and US.
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##Turkey disadvantages:
1. Lack of oil/gas reserves
2. Dependence on Iranian roads to access central Asia, GCC countries and Azerbaijan (Nakhchivan)
3. Animosity/rivalry of almost all neighbors:
I) Historical animosity of Greece, Cypress, Armenia.
II) Animosity of Iraq, Syria and some Balkan countries
III) Rivalry with Iran, vague relations with the new Russia-backed Georgia
4. Kurdish problem
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##Iran Advantages:
1. Strong alignment among Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, the so-called Shiite empire. This empire collaborates very well over or under the table, is backed by huge amount of oil and gas resources and is connected to Mediterranean Sea. It is expected to see the countries go to war for the sake of each other. They collaborate for blocking unfriendly countries regarding gas pipelines, roads, port accesses and etc. The empire has extensions in Afghanistan and Tajikistan as well.
2. A strategic location near central Asia, GGC and dominant over Hurmuz straight,
3. A good military especially regarding long range missiles, navy, drone, paramilitary, proxies, and space forces.
4. Oil/gas resources
5. Relations with Russia and China
6. Large population
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##Iran disadvantages:
1 Oil addicted economy
2 Unjust foreign policy regarding western countries
3 Unjust relations with GCC and Sunni Muslim world
4 Less water resources
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As I mentioned, I consider Iran-Turkish relationship a historic rivalry not historic animosity. Most of the achievements in this forum are Turkish or Iranian; while Arab world is asleep.
 
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Turkey is certainly more developed than iran , and has higher quality people , but i don;t see why they hand out money to central asian states , i went to hungary and there they looked down on central asians
 
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Man can we stop these threads? Ata troll and Ottoman Turk will make such threads into hell. Even other Turks are embarrassed by these two. It'll just become a troll fest.
 
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Turkey is certainly more developed than iran , and has higher quality people , but i don;t see why they hand out money to central asian states , i went to hungary and there they looked down on central asians
I tried to make the analysis very fair to both sides, irrespective of my flag.
I think all people have the same quality. Haha, Why do you think you are of lower quality? Now I think you are not Iranian.
 
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Nice attempt by thread poster...I was under impression that Iran has rivalry with Gulf nations only...But again Turkey is also added to this list...
 
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Nice attempt by thread poster...I was under impression that Iran has rivalry with Gulf nations only...But again Turkey is also added to this list...
Of course countries have several rivals:
Iran/KSA, Iran/Turkey
KSA/Iran, KSA/Egypt
Turkey/Iran, Turkey/Russia
Which line of this analysis is wrong?
 
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Nice attempt by thread poster...I was under impression that Iran has rivalry with Gulf nations only...But again Turkey is also added to this list...

Dude, this is the Middle East we're talking about. Everybody has a beef with everyone else. 11000 years of continuos history has that effect. Iran and Turkey actually have great relationship comparatively speaking.
 
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Also I want to ask, why do Iranians side with Armenian people?
Khamenei was Azerbaijani but he did not support Azerbaijan as much as they support Palestine. The reason might be lack of religious beliefs and significant pan-Turkish ideas of Azerbaijani leaders that scared the Iranians away.
 
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Razpak,
Evry strong country wants to be the regional power,thats why the rivalry.
Iran sides with Armenia because Iran is afraid that if ever there should be an attack on Iran by whome ever,the azeris in Iran could try to be independend or join Azerbaijan.
And the big enemie of Iran is very close with Azerbaijan namely Israel.
Its all politics.
 
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Razpak,
Evry strong country wants to be the regional power,thats why the rivalry.
Iran sides with Armenia because Iran is afraid that if ever there should be an attack on Iran by whome ever,the azeris in Iran could try to be independend or join Azerbaijan.
And the big enemie of Iran is very close with Azerbaijan namely Israel.
Its all politics.

Iran sided with armenia because iran has always been interested in armenian and georgian children
 
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Child molestry ? :D

I was joking , but the armenians and azerbaijanis are the same to "iranians" , iran had its war with iraq and the entire world was against iran on the matter , so siding with christian armenia was a nice trick to appease the western block , including the russians who armed iraq . just imagine how angry the westerners would get if iran was to support "muslim azerbaijan"
 
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Turkey is certainly more developed than iran , and has higher quality people , but i don;t see why they hand out money to central asian states , i went to hungary and there they looked down on central asians

Geopolitics mate, Turkic world is far bigger than Europe

For some reason Central Asians are seen trustable allies since we didnt declare war on eachother.

Maybe education system, we all came from Central Asian steppes.
 
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