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[Armstrong]

Tribals were not given any choice, neither they put forward any demands or conditions..British simply handed over FATA to its successor Pakistan...Jinnah did one thing very good that he decided to pull out the army from tribal areas, winning confidence and thanks of tribals.....but then we see him sending tribals to kashmir instead of reguler army, political agents paid them like mercenaries....it was not a good start.

Don't peddle lies ! They were given a choice & they subsequently entered into standstill agreements with Pakistan which are recorded as follows : Soon after Independence, the various tribes in the region entered into an agreement with the government of Pakistan, pledging allegiance to the newly created state. Some 30 instruments of accession were subsequently signed, cementing this arrangement. To the tribal agencies of Khyber, Kurram, North Waziristan and South Waziristan were later added Mohmand Agency (in 1951), and Bajaur and Orakzai (in 1973).

Accession did not subsume the political autonomy of the tribes. The instruments of accession, signed in 1948, granted the tribal areas a special administrative status. Except where strategic considerations dictated, the tribal areas were allowed to retain their semi-autonomous status, exercising administrative authority based on tribal codes and traditional institutions. This unique system, given varying degrees of legal cover in each of the country earlier constitutions, was crystallized in Pakistan Constitution of 1973.

The source for the above - History of FATA & it is further reproduced here - Pakistan's FATA Policy

Secondly we didn't send them to Kashmir like regular army ! When the Swati & Gilgti Scouts revolted & won over the Northern Areas for Pakistan & later when the harrowing stories of Kashmiris from Jammu & Kashmir escaping into Punjab & AJK were related all across Pakistan it were the Pashtun Tribes who on their own initiative & after repeated calls for Jihad fought along with Kashmiri Irregulars & whatever joke of an Army & Arsenal we had ! No one paid them....don't insult them like that !

And I do know what I'm talking about because I personally know a 90 something guy from Bajaur who fought in that war - He wasn't paid a dime ! According to him the Pakistan Army had promised that whatever arms they captured it would be theres but Pakistanis reneged on that promise & kept some for themselves ! He said that they didn't make a fuss out of it after they were told that the Army had next to no military arsenal left & desperately needed weapons to equip their ranks ! His only gripe with the Army was the indecisiveness that cost us the rest of Kashmir because we didn't move forward & kept putting things off - Thats one thing he was sorely pissssed about !

At any rate for a country that was literally bankrupt where the hell did we find the money to pay off the Tribals & why would the Tribals of all people fight like mercenaries ? Only the Khattaks ever did that - Never the Mehsuds & the Wazirs who were at the forefront of the fight in Kashmir !

If you don't believe me ask @Hyperion !

And i wont respond to your pashtun bashing at the end. A kind request from you not to question our way of life, our women do pardah and stay in homes according to islam...wont you feel insulted if i start pointing fingers at the women in your culture? That they dont have even the etiqettue of wearing rope-like dupatta properly..

There was no Pashtun bashing anywhere in my post - Don't let your own victim mentality & racism reflect itself when you read whatever I wrote !

I love Pashtuns...I always have & I always will ! But I reserve the right to criticize something if I think its wrong because thats what you do when you care about someone - I wasn't & I never will score points by highlighting someone's weaknesses or bad habits just so that I can be in the right !

Tribal way of life must evolve for the better & books, education & above all knowledge must take preference over the gun otherwise the Tribal Areas will continue to remain a few decades behind the rest of the world !

Tribals are ferocious people with an iron will - Let us use that ferocity & that iron will to make Doctors, Engineers & Leaders out of them as they deserve !

So in short keep the gun but the pen must take precedence over the gun !

As for the women - Islam does not confine a woman to the house as if her only purpose in life is to bear kids & feed her husband ! If Hazrat Ayesha (RA) can lead an Army of Muslim Men to war than Pakistani women can sure as hell work, study & be constructive citizens of the society ! It is not Islam...it is male chauvunism in the guise of Islam that we - men - use to keep women degraded as second class human beings ! And this is true for Muslims across the length & breadth of Pakistan & not just Pashtuns or Baloch or Punjabis etc. - its true for all of us !

I'm sure @Spring Onion would agree with me on this !

A little help here @Secur !

 

[air marshal]

The martyrs of the Tirah Valley – The Express Tribune

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Don't peddle lies ! They were given a choice & they subsequently entered into standstill agreements with Pakistan which are recorded as follows : Soon after Independence, the various tribes in the region entered into an agreement with the government of Pakistan, pledging allegiance to the newly created state. Some 30 instruments of accession were subsequently signed, cementing this arrangement. To the tribal agencies of Khyber, Kurram, North Waziristan and South Waziristan were later added Mohmand Agency (in 1951), and Bajaur and Orakzai (in 1973).

Accession did not subsume the political autonomy of the tribes. The instruments of accession, signed in 1948, granted the tribal areas a special administrative status. Except where strategic considerations dictated, the tribal areas were allowed to retain their semi-autonomous status, exercising administrative authority based on tribal codes and traditional institutions. This unique system, given varying degrees of legal cover in each of the country earlier constitutions, was crystallized in Pakistan Constitution of 1973.

The source for the above - History of FATA & it is further reproduced here - Pakistan's FATA Policy

My question is who pledged the allegiance to Pakistan? Tribal leaders? What were their names? Where and when the agreement was signed?...you do know that we have no sardari system like balochs, we have no single head of the tribe like them...there are hundreds of malaks and khans in a tribe, on his own he doesnt have power or influence over people...its jirga which make the decisions and it not only consist of khan and malaks but also mullahs, politicians, governament officers and other influential people in the region.... Quomi jirga of individual agency and loya jirga of entire FATA was supposed to make the decision of joining pakistan...did that happen?

Secondly we didn't send them to Kashmir like regular army ! When the Swati & Gilgti Scouts revolted & won over the Northern Areas for Pakistan & later when the harrowing stories of Kashmiris from Jammu & Kashmir escaping into Punjab & AJK were related all across Pakistan it were the Pashtun Tribes who on their own initiative & after repeated calls for Jihad fought along with Kashmiri Irregulars & whatever joke of an Army & Arsenal we had ! No one paid them....don't insult them like that !

Wazirs and afridis were at that time were supporting pakhtunistan...tribals from these tribes were recruited in the office of Political agent on individual basis, paid and sent on mission....the purpose was to capture kashmir through them and act innocent as if pakistan has no role in it.

And I do know what I'm talking about because I personally know a 90 something guy from Bajaur who fought in that war - He wasn't paid a dime ! According to him the Pakistan Army had promised that whatever arms they captured it would be theres but Pakistanis reneged on that promise & kept some for themselves ! He said that they didn't make a fuss out of it after they were told that the Army had next to no military arsenal left & desperately needed weapons to equip their ranks ! His only gripe with the Army was the indecisiveness that cost us the rest of Kashmir because we didn't move forward & kept putting things off - Thats one thing he was sorely pissssed about !

You are creative story teller.

At any rate for a country that was literally bankrupt where the hell did we find the money to pay off the Tribals & why would the Tribals of all people fight like mercenaries ? Only the Khattaks ever did that - Never the Mehsuds & the Wazirs who were at the forefront of the fight in Kashmir !

They were paid once, small amount and were told that rest would be the maal e ghanimat waiting for them in kashmir...they were not that large force so pakistan easily afforded recruiting them..tribals love warfare and it was hunger for war more than money which was driving them, so they didnt complain.
Also do you know why war between wazir, mehsuds and british erupted? Wazirs and mehsuds used to raid plain areas and british stopped that....many of them might have been going there with thoughts of maal e ghaneemat, more they simply love fights and you were providing them that oppurtunity...
Khattaks didnt acted as mercenaries, they enlisted in british army and earned the reputation of being beghairat.

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There was no Pashtun bashing anywhere in my post - Don't let your own victim mentality & racism reflect itself when you read whatever I wrote !

I love Pashtuns...I always have & I always will ! But I reserve the right to criticize something if I think its wrong because thats what you do when you care about someone - I wasn't & I never will score points by highlighting someone's weaknesses or bad habits just so that I can be in the right !

Tribal way of life must evolve for the better & books, education & above all knowledge must take preference over the gun otherwise the Tribal Areas will continue to remain a few decades behind the rest of the world !

Tribals are ferocious people with an iron will - Let us use that ferocity & that iron will to make Doctors, Engineers & Leaders out of them as they deserve !

So in short keep the gun but the pen must take precedence over the gun !

As for the women - Islam does not confine a woman to the house as if her only purpose in life is to bear kids & feed her husband ! If Hazrat Ayesha (RA) can lead an Army of Muslim Men to war than Pakistani women can sure as hell work, study & be constructive citizens of the society ! It is not Islam...it is male chauvunism in the guise of Islam that we - men - use to keep women degraded as second class human beings ! And this is true for Muslims across the length & breadth of Pakistan & not just Pashtuns or Baloch or Punjabis etc. - its true for all of us !

I'm sure @Spring Onion would agree with me on this !

A little help here @Secur !

You can criticize our gun culture but not the riwaj of pardah among us. If we pray nimaz in mosques , keep beards and our women do hijab then we are leading life in accordance with islam, it is not backwardness...it is the personal matter of the families whether to send their daughters to universities or not. Also Many pashtun parents, from the rural background, send their daughters to universities and their decision is respected by others....many allow their daughters to do respectable job like teaching and doctory, people appreciate such families..but it is also fact that some jobs are taboo for pashtun women like nursing, receptionists, air hostess etc.....such norms of pashtun society needs to be respected.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

@Armstrong, check these photos....what do you think what exactly is going on in these photos?

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

 

[Secur]

So tribals are to be blamed for the draconian law which was enforced on them by their enemies?...you do understand that there is no protest culture in tribal areas, blocking roads and burning tires etc.....their way of protesting is war, do you want that?....Do you know why TTP killed hundreds of malaks and khans? Because according to them they were useless colonial remanants. Governament reforms not taliban were supposed to happen in FATA...I asked a mehsud why they dont protest over their conditions in IDP camps, he said "we dont beg" !
About weapon as jewellary part. I would highly recommend pakhtuns to keep up the martial traditions even in 21st century and refuse to bow their heads for any aggressive and invading force....they shouldnt rely on pak army, the same army who killed and raped thousands of bengalis and are now humiliating balochs and has sold itself to our enemy america...pakhtuns have to keep weapons against any enemy whether they are muslims or non-muslims...it should be both qalam and talwar !

What exact message did you get from my post ? Just tell me that .

No , blame the Govt for the conditions your various tribes put forward for acceding to the dominion of Pakistan at the time of its independence . The first and foremost of them was that FCR would continue , that the special status of the region continues , that they be " left alone " , that we not meddle in thy affairs , that the law of the land and jurisdiction of the courts be not applicable in their region , that no army enters their lands and the Jirgas serve as the de facto Govt ! You had a choice back then to repeal the draconian law enforced by the enemy , didn't you ? So , what did you do ?

Even if the tribes wanted to get it repealed later , it would have been very easy to do since the Govt of Pakistan was always eager to abolish the special status of the region and get the jurisdiction of Pakistani courts extended to the area . Either the Jirgas could have requested the State to enforce the same laws applicable in other territories and regions in Pakistan or the tribals would have protested for abolishing the special status . But as strange as it is , the tribals have always been silent and supportive of the same draconian " Frontier Crimes Regulation " to the extent that we have now started to think that they are indeed happy with that system and want it to continue as their elders wanted back then in '47 ! Remember , silence is approval ! What choice was/is the Govt left with ? Except for making statements to bring " the tribals into the mainstream " and making recommendations through various judicial commissions which it has done from time to time . How exactly are you blaming the Govt for your backwardness and mishaps when it doesn't control the affairs in the region and merely allocates funds ? When there is concept of political parties in the F.A.T.A , how do you hold the state and the Govt responsible ?

Dont lie blatantly about tribals not protesting against things just like any other , they do protest against the Govt and the army just like the rest .

Otherwise ,

Who were the people protesting against the alleged rigging in Kurram Agency ?
Who were the people protesting against the drone attacks in Peshawar ?
Who were the people protesting against the army operations in Islamabad ?
Who were the people protesting against the camp conditions in Jamrud ?
Who were the people protesting against the loadshedding in Landikotal ?

I can literally post dozen of links to debunk another of your lies but I seriously do not think of your post being worthy of that !

About the Mehsud's IDPs , they were recently protesting against the reduction of food rations by World Food Organization in Dera Ismail Khan . Where lies your claim now ?

You understand what sort of picture do you post of tribals when you start to make things up and post things like " the only way of protesting known to tribes , is war " ? You make them look like some sort of savage , uncivilized people who take up arms for what-not !

About the Gun's culture , I told you , sure continue , nobody's coming to snatch them seeing what wonders they have done for the people of the region in the 60+ years history of F.A.T.A and the condition of the areas as well as the backwardness and the continued reduction in quality of life of the people of the tribal belt ! Yeah , make enemies when you do not have any but the same tribes fighting with each other half the time . But remember " Times change and so do the ways of life " , what was applicable in the past , may not be today and what is applicable today , may not be in the future . Learn to walk with civilization , channel the same aggressiveness into economical progression and the development of the infrastructure and the education of the people ! or the same will continue , if not worse .

You want me to believe the same old blatant lie of Pakistan army being responsible for every evil that has ever befallen anybody repeated again and again ? Not interested !

 

[Secur]

A little help here @Secur !

You said it all , mate . What else can I say ? What can I explain to a person who doesn't even know his own history or even if he does , chooses to take a misleading selective approach and hold all others responsible for the mishap of the people of his region except themselves ? What can I do for a person who's a racist and holds a victim mentality ? What can be done for someone who takes positive criticism as Pashtun bashing as if something has to be gained from that .

I have seen this cheap tactic from dozens of people on this forum , when in trouble or when your arguments are getting debunked and you are loosing a debate , lets bring in the religion and adopt the manipulating " religious than thou " attitude and expect the other party to stop criticizing you , just because its supposedly becoming blasphemous and the God's wrath will fall on the person ! No one , I say no one is immune to criticism here , you come here to debate with anybody , you give up that thing , if you do not appreciate the difference of opinion , we have a log out button specially for that !

You can criticize our gun culture but not the riwaj of pardah among us. If we pray nimaz in mosques , keep beards and our women do hijab then we are leading life in accordance with islam, it is not backwardness.

The role of women in Islam is much wider than some people have made it out to be , the sole responsibility of a female is not just to remain confined in a house from childhood and later breed children like it is done in most of the Muslim countries today . I will not want to go into further details into the religiousness of the tribal people and the treatment meted out to women which I can describe modestly as " slave-like " . Women in Saudi Arabia , Malaysia and Indonesia amongst other Muslim countries which can be considered as " developed states with a high human development index " also do pardah and nobody in his/her right state of mind can describe them as " backward " .

But I sure will second your statement " its male chauvinism under the guise of the religion of peace " just like most of the other things we usually do and blame on the religion and the order he sent . Yes , it is not limited to just the tribal areas of course because the women are treated like some infants who cant make their decision throughout the country but the region in question is F.A.T.A here and the debate is very keen to go into religious zeal talking as if others are not Muslims or their women do not pardah . I will just point a single example of how women weren't allowed to vote in Lower Dir by the so called elders of the region and shamelessly endorsed by the political parties of Pakistan just recently and leave it alone !

Evolution is necessary and will come , this stubbornness of " we will not change for the better " will only lead the tribes into further disaster and worsen their condition . I have explained this part in few of my posts in detail and I am not sure if making another detailed post on that subject would be of much use , mate .

 

[Hermione G]

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[Secur]

I think this thread is about MQM and PTI..... NAE?????

What , bon ami ?

 

[Hermione G]

What , bon ami ?

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[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

@Secur I saw the advantage of our zewar in my own district......TTP tried to take control of Lakki marwat but marwats defeated them through lashkars and chaghas.....what could have been happened if we were unarmed doves?....story of swat could have been repeated....some swat people helped TNSF but those who were against them were entirely helpless as swat pashtuns are very very non-traditional, do not have tribal organization or culture of jirga and do not carry guns as zewar......they first got humiliated by taliban and then they have to suffer collateral damages of military operation.....on the other hand traditional people of neighboring Dir handled taliban on their own......army with air force , tanks, artillery, gunship helicopters is the last thing any pashtun tribe would want to see them operating in their area, so many tribes of KPK have handled taliban on their own, with the help of their zewar.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

What can I explain to a person who doesn't even know his own history or even if he does , chooses to take a misleading selective approach and hold all others responsible for the mishap of the people of his region except themselves ? What can I do for a person who's a racist and holds a victim mentality ?

I have seen this cheap tactic from dozens of people on this forum , when in trouble or when your arguments are getting debunked and you are loosing a debate , lets bring in the religion and adopt the manipulating " religious than thou " attitude and expect the other party to stop criticizing you , just because its supposedly becoming blasphemous and the God's wrath will fall on the person ! No one , I say no one is immune to criticism here , you come here to debate with anybody , you give up that thing , if you do not appreciate the difference of opinion , we have a log out button specially for that !



The role of women in Islam is much wider than some people have made it out to be , the sole responsibility of a female is not just to remain confined in a house from childhood and later breed children like it is done in most of the Muslim countries today . I will not want to go into further details into the religiousness of the tribal people and the treatment meted out to women which I can describe as " slave-like " .

But I sure will second your statement " its male chauvinism under the guise of the religion of peace " just like most of the other things we usually do and blame on the religion and the order he sent . Yes , it is not limited to just the tribal areas of course because the women are treated like some infants who cant make their decision throughout the country but the region in question is F.A.T.A here and the debate is very keen to go into religious zeal talking as if others are not Muslims or their women do not pardah . I will just point a single example of how women weren't allowed to vote in Lower Dir by the so called elders of the region and shamelessly endorsed by the political parties of Pakistan just recently and leave it alone !

Evolution is necessary and will come , this stubbornness of " we will not change for the better " will only lead the tribes into further disaster and worsen their condition .

What is the role of women in islam?......educate me.

Vote is not compulsory in islam, those few dir villages have not committed blasphemy.............and you are being selective here, Dir is just one place, you forgot the entire pashtun belt where women voted....even in areas of south waziristan controlled by waziri talibans, women went to polling stations.......
Like i said you are grown up in America and you dont know the norms and ways of our society..........Hijab is compulsory in islam and there is no excuse for it......Making women decoration items and advertisement material is not broad-mindedness, it is westernization.....fashion shows and cat walks of karachi and lahore are against islam....women wearing tight shalawr kameez with rope like dupatta or wearing jeans is against islam.......allama iqbal and akbar allabadai warned us about maghribi cultural invasion....

What can I explain to a person who doesn't even know his own history or even if he does , chooses to take a misleading selective approach and hold all others responsible for the mishap of the people of his region except themselves ? What can I do for a person who's a racist and holds a victim mentality ?

I have seen this cheap tactic from dozens of people on this forum , when in trouble or when your arguments are getting debunked and you are loosing a debate , lets bring in the religion and adopt the manipulating " religious than thou " attitude and expect the other party to stop criticizing you , just because its supposedly becoming blasphemous and the God's wrath will fall on the person ! No one , I say no one is immune to criticism here , you come here to debate with anybody , you give up that thing , if you do not appreciate the difference of opinion , we have a log out button specially for that !



The role of women in Islam is much wider than some people have made it out to be , the sole responsibility of a female is not just to remain confined in a house from childhood and later breed children like it is done in most of the Muslim countries today . I will not want to go into further details into the religiousness of the tribal people and the treatment meted out to women which I can describe as " slave-like " .

But I sure will second your statement " its male chauvinism under the guise of the religion of peace " just like most of the other things we usually do and blame on the religion and the order he sent . Yes , it is not limited to just the tribal areas of course because the women are treated like some infants who cant make their decision throughout the country but the region in question is F.A.T.A here and the debate is very keen to go into religious zeal talking as if others are not Muslims or their women do not pardah . I will just point a single example of how women weren't allowed to vote in Lower Dir by the so called elders of the region and shamelessly endorsed by the political parties of Pakistan just recently and leave it alone !

Evolution is necessary and will come , this stubbornness of " we will not change for the better " will only lead the tribes into further disaster and worsen their condition .

What is the role of women in islam?......educate me.

Vote is not compulsory in islam, those few dir villages have not committed blasphemy.............and you are being selective here, Dir is just one place, you forgot the entire pashtun belt where women voted....even in areas of south waziristan controlled by waziri talibans, women went to polling stations.......
Like i said you are grown up in America and you dont know the norms and ways of our society..........Hijab is compulsory in islam and there is no excuse for it......Making women decoration items and advertisement material is not broad-mindedness, it is westernization.....fashion shows and cat walks of karachi and lahore are against islam....women wearing tight shalawr kameez with rope like dupatta or wearing jeans is against islam.......allama iqbal and akbar allabadai warned us about maghribi cultural invasion....

 

[Secur]

@Secur I saw the advantage of our zewar in my own district......TTP tried to take control of Lakki marwat but marwats defeated them through lashkars and chaghas.....what could have been happened if we were unarmed doves?....story of swat could have been repeated....some swat people helped TNSF but those who were against them were entirely helpless as swat pashtuns are very very non-traditional, do not have tribal organization or culture of jirga and do not carry guns as zewar......they first got humiliated by taliban and then they have to suffer collateral damages of military operation.....on the other hand traditional people of neighboring Dir handled taliban on their own......army with air force , tanks, artillery, gunship helicopters is the last thing any pashtun tribe would want to see them operating in their area, so many tribes of KPK have handled taliban on their own, with the help of their zewar.

And exactly what would have happened if you had not chosen to continue with British enforced FCR and asked the state to take over back at the times of independence ? Would this have happened by any chance ? The army would have moved in and took the security of the belt , the courts would have functioned , the police and the law enforcement agencies would have been there , the political parties would have been there with the voice of the people and the tribals would have had proper representation in the parliament of Pakistan , there wouldn't have been that much illiteracy and backwardness to fuel this extremism and militant problem you face today . You want to debate it in detail , lets get to the root cause of the problem back in history then . The majority of the problems of the tribes is due to the same " leave us alone " policy continued for a long time now .

Maybe you saw the advantage there , but what I see here is the enforcement of the same " bad habit " that will get some pat on the back because it succeeded , with nobody to ponder over why did it happen in the first place and why ? Why the so called Afghan Jihad took place and why the militants chose the F.A.T.A . as their next safe haven ? The Gun are not your jewellery , they are merely deadly weapons which are being used to make things even , they aren't toys to be handed over to a growing child , they are things to be possessed and controlled by the state .

So , Talibans aren't a significant problem in the tribal region , right ? Because of your " zewar " ? Is it so ? I wouldn't term the peaceful and non aggressive nature of the people of Swat as cowardly , the army moved in and beat the crap out of militants to the extent that they are rarely even mentioned in the valley and merely a thing of the past . Can I say the same thing about the tribal belt with the presence of " weapons en masse " which you portray as the solution to all your problems ?

 

[Secur]

What is the role of women in islam?......educate me.

Vote is not compulsory in islam, those few dir villages have not committed blasphemy.............and you are being selective here, Dir is just one place, you forgot the entire pashtun belt where women voted....even in areas of south waziristan controlled by waziri talibans, women went to polling stations.......
Like i said you are grown up in America and you dont know the norms and ways of our society..........Hijab is compulsory in islam and there is no excuse for it......Making women decoration items and advertisement material is not broad-mindedness, it is westernization.....fashion shows and cat walks of karachi and lahore are against islam....women wearing tight shalawr kameez with rope like dupatta or wearing jeans is against islam.......allama iqbal and akbar allabadai warned us about maghribi cultural invasion....

In simple words " to play a much more constructive and progressive role in society " rather than confined at homes and made to breed children on demand !

It has nothing to do with being compulsory or not , such things have happened in the past painting a further gloomy picture of the women rights there . I am not being selective here , its good that the women went over to polling stations in insurgent hit areas but that doesn't mean that they have equal status as men there or somehow their condition has dramatically improved . I remember back in '97 when the same elders didn't want the women to vote in the elections for representatives from F.A.T.A .

Who grew up in America ? Are you under the influence somehow ? Where's this association with me and U.S. coming from ? I was born in Pakistan and have remained in the country for the entire time , what societal norms and ways of life I do not understand ?

I have said nothing about Hijab or Niqab or anything as you assume , I respect it as a personal choice and hate it when it is forced against the will of the women just like any other thing . I do not need an all Islamic lecture from anybody , least of all you , when I have only said that the women should be given a greater role in society , be allowed to study and not treated as little kids who aren't allowed to make their choices . If that somehow equals to being " decoration items " and all the " worst things/vices you have formulated over the years and can imagine it at the moment " just like you did with your imagined " Punjabification " some time ago , that isn't my fault . Otherwise , you can start by telling me , where did I say anything about " fashion shows " or " catwalks " and " wearing jeans " as per you ? I mentioned a little about women in KSA and Malaysia doing Hijab and still serving as equals in the society and playing a much greater role . Allama said a lot about other things too , his wisdom wasn't limited to your selective approaches .

 

[Hyperion]

Pakistan has been pussyfooting dealing with these people since independence. It's bloody time that they are all wiped out. After this, I think it's high time we deal with the elephant in the room, Jhang.

1. Clean TTP / Bandits.
2. Clean LeJ. Jhang.
3. Wipe out LeT / JuD.

Then time for terrorist wings of political parties. Target MQM/PML(N)