Operation Blue Star -Sikh Holocaust 1984

[notsuperstitious]

Hi Everybody. I myself is Sikh. I was in Delhi in 1984. I used to live in 4 storey apparment. The hindu mob knew that we live there and they came to kill us. I was 6 yrs old at that time. We lived in 4th floor and all three floors were occupied by sindhi hindu family. They saved us from that mob. So all hindus are not at fault . The mob who came to kill us was from lower section of society who lives in delhi slums. There motive was to kill and rape sikh women and loot there stuff They have nothing to do with Indra Gandhi's death. Its just they were assured by some leaders who want cheap publicity, that they can do wat ever they want with sikhs for 3 days. sad event.

True, I've heard similar stories. The event had nothing to do with religion, isn't Tytler a sikh converted to Christianity?

Luckily the dark days did not create a rift between sikhs and other groups. When we were kids in mumbai and had to take a taxi by ourselves, our mom had instructed us to look for a taxi driven by a Sardarji. That did not change even during the insurgency days and all non sikhs from india i know have a deep sense of love and gratitude towards sikhs. Bad thing is, no more sardarji driven taxis in mumbai anymore, good thing is, Sikhs have largely got out of that socio economic class and are the most affluent majot group in india today.

 

[Khajur]

Sikh militancy is a dead issue.
Khalistan is day dream of militant sikh residing in places like wesern europe and north America.There can have Khalistan in canada and they surely haveit by now as it homes most militant sikhs.


But khalistan isnt touching indian shores.U know why....the sikhs of india wont allow it as too small to park all their trucks.

Anyway operation bluestar is one of the best moment of indian histroty and indian state showed brute resloves to deal with its internal problem.IG Gandhi made some mistakes,but she is a hell of tough lady.Any country would be proud of a leader like her.

On the otherhand, riots of 84 are a blot on face of india and its very sad that we never punished who were the culprit of 84 riots .

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He is a mass murderer. He even killed the families of "alleged" terrorists. He had created groups called "CATS" or police cats. They would kill any person who's name even came up in police file. I can provid many examples where police took medals for killing a hard come militent and 20 years later that hard comre militent surfeced in Canda or US and even India. Who were those people that got killed then?

To understand the whole thing you have go back to 1947, that's where all it began. What Nehru and M.Gandhi promised, what happed when they created Punjab, What happened in 1978, why army attacked on the one of holliest day on Sikh calender (Martyr day of Sikhs 5th guru).

It's shame what IA and Indian leadership did that day. Lots of Gurudwaras are in Pakistan and even all of the wars, Pakistani army have never steppted inside Sikh gurudware with thier boots.

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His uncle has warned him that if ever come infrom him he will shoot him personaly. He is living under very tight secuirty since 1984. Militents are still in hunt for him.

Gabbar, they should give Bharat Ratna to KPS Gill.

 

[peace123]

bhindrawala was not a terrorist he never killed a innocent person.
and someone wtf vajpayee said after the operation he exactly said:"yeh to bahoot pehle ho jana chahiye tha."
also badal was involved in the operation.
i've red about 5/6 books on operation bluestar from different writers and almost everyone says that badal&co were involved

 

[glomex]

bhindrawala was not a terrorist he never killed a innocent person.

Just like Osama Bin Laden...He never Killed a person....


But he motivated young men to pick up wepon....and spread hatred just like Osama Bin Laden...So if Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist...Bhindaranwala was a terrorist....

 

[peace123]

Just like Osama Bin Laden...He never Killed a person....


But he motivated young men to pick up wepon....and spread hatred just like Osama Bin Laden...So if Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist...Bhindaranwala was a terrorist....

tell me how many innocent people were killed by the bindrawalas group
and list when they attacked any public place, do you even know how all the operation began? can u tel me why they send something like 3000/4000 military personal again 100 khalistanis? can u please tell me where were the police was when innocent people were being killed by congress ? can u tell plz me why the police killed so meny innocent guys (only young)before and after the operation? i've lived in punjab and i know wat they did for person like me and other they worked against dowry ecc.

 

[glomex]

tell me how many innocent people were killed by the bindrawalas group
and list when they attacked any public place, do you even know how all the operation began? can u tel me why they send something like 3000/4000 military personal again 100 khalistanis? can u please tell me where were the police was when innocent people were being killed by congress ? can u tell plz me why the police killed so meny innocent guys (only young)before and after the operation? i've lived in punjab and i know wat they did for person like me and other they worked against dowry ecc.

During 1970s, the Indian Green Revolution brought increased economic prosperity for the Sikh community in Punjab. This propensity kindled an age old fear in the Sikh community - that of being absorbed into the Hindu fold and led to the rise of Sikh militants.
The insurgency intensified during 1980s when the movement turned violent and the name Khalistan resurfaced and sought independence from the Indian Union. Led by Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale who , though not in favor in the creation of Khalistan but also was not against it, began using militancy to stress the movement's demands. Soon things turned bloody with India alleging that neighboring Pakistan supported these militants, who, by 1983-4, had begun to enjoy widespread support among Sikhs.
In 1984, Operation Blue Star was conducted by the Indian government to stem out the movement. It involved an assault on the Golden Temple complex, which Sant Bhindranwale had fortifed in preparation of an army assault. Indira Gandhi, India's then prime minister, ordered the military to storm the temple, who eventually had to use tanks, helicopter gunships, artillery and chemical weapons.
After a seventy-four-hour firefight, the army successfully took control of the temple. In doing so, it damaged some portions of the Akal Takht, the Sikh Reference Library and some damaged to the Golden Temple itself. According to Indian government sources, eighty-three army personnel were killed and 249 injured. Militant casualties were 493 killed and eighty-six injured.
During same year, the assassination of Indira Gandhi by two Sikh bodyguards, believed to be driven by the Golden Temple affair, resulted in widespread anti-Sikh riots, especially in New Delhi. Following Operation Black Thunder in 1988, Punjab Police, first under Julio Ribeiro and then under KPS Gill, together with the Indian Army eventually succeeded in pushing the movement underground.
In 1985, Sikh terrorists bombed an Air India flight from Canada to India, killing all 329 people on board Air India Flight 182. It is the worst terrorist act in Canada's history.
The ending of Sikh militancy and the desire for a Khalistan catalyzed when the then-Prime Minister of Pakistan, Benazir Bhutto handed all intelligence material concerning Punjab militancy to the Indian government, as a goodwill gesture. The Indian government used that intelligence to put an end to those who were behind attacks in India and militancy.
The ending of overt Sikh militancy in 1993 led to a period of relative calm, punctuated by militant acts (i.e. the assassination of Punjab CM, Beant Singh in 1995) attributed to half a dozen or so operating Sikh militant organisations. These organisations include Babbar Khalsa International, Khalistan Commando Force, Khalistan Liberation Force and Khalistan Zindabad Force.




Khalistan movement was about dividing India...and any move to Divide a country should be crushed by brutal force....to establish writ of the State...and state has all the right to go to any extent to establish tat..

Example.....

Ltte In Sri Lanka ...

 

[duhastmish]

Harsh steps but it paid off in the end- i Think right now the peace and sovereignty in pujab. is also to a degree because of kps gill and his ways to handle terrorism. thats the only way to handle it. grab him by the throat.

We all know what bhindra wala was doing in side akal takha he made it a bloody borthal those day he use to pick up girls and get them there. he was living like a king there. with his own army.
Ofcourse what army did was a strong step but it was from the orders of politcians.
And the politcial will was very strong for punjab. it was dark but it was sucessful in the end.

people did suffer - indra made some seriously wrong decision and she paid for them too.


If this is what it cost for peace. i think india need to relook at the - maoist and these terrorist. with same policy of operation blue star.

 

[peace123]

ur facts r wrong!!!!! nonononon wait a moment!!!! that is wat the goverment said. at that moment bhindrawala was not trying to divide india he was only trying to provide some right to the sikhs:

Post-Independence : Broken Promises & Discrimination


In 1950, despite protests by Sikhs, the Indian constitution was adopted, which failes to even recognize the Sikhs as a separate religion or "quam," instead Sikhs were categorised as Hindus, and remained defined as such under Article 25 of the Constitution. The British recognised Sikh marriages under the Anand Karaj Act 1909, however this was replaced by the Hindu Marriage Act 1951. Sikh marriages are no longer recognised. To get a marriage license in "secular India", Sikhs have to sign a form entitled "The Hindu Marriage Act of 1951"

Panjab was a state utterly broken and totally ruined both economically and socially by the Partition with Pakistan. Instead of Government help, the Sikhs began facing economical, social and religious discrimination.


Farmers in Panjab paid higher prices for their agriculture inputs, but were offered lower prices for their produce in comparison with neighbouring states. The Central Government assumed sole control over prices and farmers were not allowed to cross state boundaries to get higher prices for their labours in the next state.

Electricity generated by the Hydroelectric Dam Bhakra on the Panjab borders was more costly and provided in smaller amounts in Panjab than in it's neighbouring states.

75% of the water available to Panjab was being diverted to other states.

70% of the revenue raised by Panjabis, for development of Panjab was sent to other states.

The Central Government investment in Panjab was less than 1%, the lowest amongst all the states, however Panjab was the most highly taxed.

Restrictions on the recruitment and promotion of Sikhs in the armed forces were applied. This was a grave insult as Sikhs being 2% of India's population counted for the majority of sacrifices in the freedom struggle against the British.

After Independence Sikhs began facing racial slurs from leaders and the media. When Nehru was reminded about the promises he and Gandhi made to the Sikhs before Independence and all the broken promises since, he stated simple, "the circumstances have now changed."

"Kya main taqat dushman ke hath main de dun (How can I entrust powwer into the hands of the enemies)." (Jawaharlal Nehru, 1961)

"The Sikhs are lawless people and a menace to the law abiding Hindus... The Government should take strict measures against them." (Jawaharlal Nehru)

In a circular sent to all Deputy Commisioners in Panjab by the Home Minister Vallabhi Patel, there were instructions that Sikhs should be treated like a "criminal tribe." They were urged to be severe so that the Sikhs should wake up to the political realities and recognize "who are the masters and who are the slaves."

In 1956 all states in India were recognized on linguistic and cultural basis, however Panjab was the only state in India left out of this. In addition huge anti-Sikh propoganda compelled virtually all Panjabi speaking Hindus to deny Panjabi as their language and claim allegiance to Hindi, however, their knowledge of Hindi was non-existent.

Furthermore, Sikhs felt the wrath of Hindu nationalism nurtured by M.K. Gandhi. After his death fundamentalist cults and organisations such as RSS and Ayra Smaaj began anti-Sikh propaganda. Sikhs were humiliated throughout national media and literature. Ayra Smaaj and other fundamentalist Hindu organisations published literature, held events and conferences which degraded and insulted the Sikh Gurus. A great effort was made to disolve Sikhism into Hinduism.

In 1966 the Panjabi Suba Movement began, during peaceful agitations throughout the 50's and 60's over 250,000 Sikhs demonstrated peacefully and courted arrest to get their linguistic rights (this is 5times the number of Indians arrested by the British in the whole "Quit India Movement"). Darshan Singh Peruman was martyred whilst on hunger strike in prison. He demanded that Sikhs should be given more rights and more autonomy for Panjab. His martyrdom and noble sacrifice was ignored by the Government.

Two majority Panjabi speaking districts were left out of the 1961 census. The now already shrunken Panjab was further halved to form a Hindi speaking state Haryana in 1966. Furthermore, the small remmant of Panjab was still denied the status of a Panjabi speaking state. Some of the prosperous Panjabi speaking areas including the capital Chandigarh were left out and given to Haryana. This was a direct violation of the Indian Constitution and pre-independence promises. Panjab remains the only state in India to have a shared capital and no control over its natural resources, water and electricity.

 

[glomex]

ur facts r wrong!!!!! nonononon wait a moment!!!! that is wat the goverment said. at that moment bhindrawala was not trying to divide india he was only trying to provide some right to the sikhs:

Post-Independence : Broken Promises & Discrimination


In 1950, despite protests by Sikhs, the Indian constitution was adopted, which failes to even recognize the Sikhs as a separate religion or "quam," instead Sikhs were categorised as Hindus, and remained defined as such under Article 25 of the Constitution. The British recognised Sikh marriages under the Anand Karaj Act 1909, however this was replaced by the Hindu Marriage Act 1951. Sikh marriages are no longer recognised. To get a marriage license in "secular India", Sikhs have to sign a form entitled "The Hindu Marriage Act of 1951"

Panjab was a state utterly broken and totally ruined both economically and socially by the Partition with Pakistan. Instead of Government help, the Sikhs began facing economical, social and religious discrimination.


Farmers in Panjab paid higher prices for their agriculture inputs, but were offered lower prices for their produce in comparison with neighbouring states. The Central Government assumed sole control over prices and farmers were not allowed to cross state boundaries to get higher prices for their labours in the next state.

Electricity generated by the Hydroelectric Dam Bhakra on the Panjab borders was more costly and provided in smaller amounts in Panjab than in it's neighbouring states.

75% of the water available to Panjab was being diverted to other states.

70% of the revenue raised by Panjabis, for development of Panjab was sent to other states.

The Central Government investment in Panjab was less than 1%, the lowest amongst all the states, however Panjab was the most highly taxed.

Restrictions on the recruitment and promotion of Sikhs in the armed forces were applied. This was a grave insult as Sikhs being 2% of India's population counted for the majority of sacrifices in the freedom struggle against the British.

After Independence Sikhs began facing racial slurs from leaders and the media. When Nehru was reminded about the promises he and Gandhi made to the Sikhs before Independence and all the broken promises since, he stated simple, "the circumstances have now changed."

"Kya main taqat dushman ke hath main de dun (How can I entrust powwer into the hands of the enemies)." (Jawaharlal Nehru, 1961)

"The Sikhs are lawless people and a menace to the law abiding Hindus... The Government should take strict measures against them." (Jawaharlal Nehru)

In a circular sent to all Deputy Commisioners in Panjab by the Home Minister Vallabhi Patel, there were instructions that Sikhs should be treated like a "criminal tribe." They were urged to be severe so that the Sikhs should wake up to the political realities and recognize "who are the masters and who are the slaves."

In 1956 all states in India were recognized on linguistic and cultural basis, however Panjab was the only state in India left out of this. In addition huge anti-Sikh propoganda compelled virtually all Panjabi speaking Hindus to deny Panjabi as their language and claim allegiance to Hindi, however, their knowledge of Hindi was non-existent.

Furthermore, Sikhs felt the wrath of Hindu nationalism nurtured by M.K. Gandhi. After his death fundamentalist cults and organisations such as RSS and Ayra Smaaj began anti-Sikh propaganda. Sikhs were humiliated throughout national media and literature. Ayra Smaaj and other fundamentalist Hindu organisations published literature, held events and conferences which degraded and insulted the Sikh Gurus. A great effort was made to disolve Sikhism into Hinduism.

In 1966 the Panjabi Suba Movement began, during peaceful agitations throughout the 50's and 60's over 250,000 Sikhs demonstrated peacefully and courted arrest to get their linguistic rights (this is 5times the number of Indians arrested by the British in the whole "Quit India Movement"). Darshan Singh Peruman was martyred whilst on hunger strike in prison. He demanded that Sikhs should be given more rights and more autonomy for Panjab. His martyrdom and noble sacrifice was ignored by the Government.

Two majority Panjabi speaking districts were left out of the 1961 census. The now already shrunken Panjab was further halved to form a Hindi speaking state Haryana in 1966. Furthermore, the small remmant of Panjab was still denied the status of a Panjabi speaking state. Some of the prosperous Panjabi speaking areas including the capital Chandigarh were left out and given to Haryana. This was a direct violation of the Indian Constitution and pre-independence promises. Panjab remains the only state in India to have a shared capital and no control over its natural resources, water and electricity.

So what do you want.......

 

[peace123]

So what do you want.......

i personaly don't want khalistan or something separate from india but i want respect for sikhs(& i know u r intelligent enough to understand i mean)

 

[sob]

I can see your point afriend but tell me how would muslims feel if a christian army went into Mecca complex to clear alleged militents?

Sir unfortunately this happened in Mecca in 1979

Hundreds of Islamic radicals led by Saudi preacher Juhayman al-Otaibi invaded the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca, Islam's holiest shrine, on Nov. 20, 1979. The intruders included men from all over the Muslim world, from Pakistanis to Egyptians to a handful of American converts. Tens of thousands of worshipers were trapped inside the holy compound. The battle for the shrine lasted two weeks, causing hundreds of deaths and ending only after the intervention of 3 GIGN commandos from France.

 

[glomex]

i personaly don't want khalistan or something separate from india but i want respect for sikhs(& i know u r intelligent enough to understand i mean)

Do you think Sikhs don't have what they deserve....let me tell you ...I personally know many sikhs who are respected and belong to good families...Go back to Punjab and you will see a sea change....


I don't know who is feeding you stupid information....may be for once you should stop watching YouTube and visit Punjab for real stories of Success..of Sikhs....

 

[duhastmish]

lol - i think sikh are the most prosper people right now in india. i mean guys this is question to all the indian memebers:

Have you ever seen a sikh begger ??????

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more ove punjab is probably the only region in india where you have peace and easiest to make money - go to ludhiana punjab.
--- i dont buy this argument that sikh dont get respect rather - its funky and kind of cool to be called punjabi in india.

 

[peace123]

So what do you want.......

lol - i think sikh are the most prosper people right now in india. i mean guys this is question to all the indian memebers:

Have you ever seen a sikh begger ??????

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more ove punjab is probably the only region in india where you have peace and easiest to make money - go to ludhiana punjab.
--- i dont buy this argument that sikh dont get respect rather - its funky and kind of cool to be called punjabi in india.

money is not alway a priority, i mean respect means first of all a new
law for sikhs shaadi and not apply the hindu law on sikhs

 

[duhastmish]

money is not alway a priority, i mean respect means first of all a new
law for sikhs shaadi and not apply the hindu law on sikhs

dude i dont know what you talkign about either i seen a shocker or you dont know hte facts.
i have been to a Sikh marriage once a friend of mine its called anand karaj they do it early in the morning in side gurdwara

its all in morning - the Sunday brunch so was big let down to get drunk in morning. lol