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Erdogan Revs Hate Between Muslims and Turkey’s Minorities

By Uzay Bulut

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On May 28, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan visited the predominantly Kurdish city of Diyarbak?r and delivered a public speech in which he targeted Kurds requesting official recognition and the right to self-rule, calling them “atheists” and “Zoroastrians.”

In an attempt to appeal to Islamist sentiment, Erdogan claimed that Kurdish militants had burnt down schools and mosques, stating, “They are atheists, they are Zoroastrians. They are useless. They have not and are not acting with our values.”

This was not the first time Erdogan targeted non-Muslims in his public speeches.

In February, 2014, in the city of Balikesir, Erdogan, then prime minister, referred to the students of the Middle East University in Ankara, as “atheists” and “terrorists.” The students had protested the construction of the “1071 Manzikert Boulevard,” to which the police responded with gas bombs and pressurized water.

“On Monday, we opened the boulevard built by our metropolitan municipality of Ankara,” said Erdogan. “Despite whom? Despite those leftists! Despite those atheists! They are atheists! They are terrorists!”

The Battle of Manzikert was fought in 1071 in Anatolia between the Byzantine Empire and the Seljuq Turks, which marked the beginning of the Islamic invasion of Anatolia. The defeat of the Byzantine army and the capture of the Emperor Romanos IV Diogenes paved the way for the gradual Turkification and Islamization of Anatolia and Armenia.

Erdogan bashed the university students in his own unique way: “What is the name of the boulevard? Manzikert 1071. One of them was wearing Byzantine clothes. Alp Arslan [the Sultan of the Seljuq Empire] fought against Byzantium. So he [the student] put himself in the position of Byzantium. Shame on you!”

Apparently, Erdogan knows the easy and certain way of getting votes from much of Turkish public: Target any non-Muslim community – Jews, Christians, atheists, Alevis, Zoroastrians, you name it – and get the votes of millions of people, those who might not even know anything about the said religions or people but whose overall hatred for the “infidel” would be enough to make them enjoy the hate-filled slurs.

In May 2015, in the predominantly Kurdish city of Batman, Erdogan once again publicly targeted the secular, pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) – for “having nothing to do with Islam.”

“They say they will abolish Diyanet [Turkey’s Presidency of Religious Affairs]. They have nothing to do with religion. The Diyanet that they say they will abolish has published the Kurdish translation of the Koran.

“They [the HDP party] go to extremes by saying that Jerusalem belongs to Jews. They have nothing whatsoever with Islam. Jerusalem is the most important Kaaba [sacred site] of Muslims; it is where we found life.

“We have documents that in the mountains, they [the PKK] give education of the Zoroastrian religion.”

Despite the hateful stigma of Erdogan regarding Zoroastrianism, it is an ancient faith of peace, ethics and wisdom. Basic tenets of Zoroastrians include: “Humata, ‘Good Thoughts’, Hukhata, ‘Good Words’, and Havarashta, ‘Good Deeds’.

“These three principles are included in many Zoroastrian prayers, and children commit themselves to abide by them at their initiation ceremony, marking their responsible entry into the faith as practicing Zoroastrians. They are the moral code by which a Zoroastrian lives.”

Sadly, this ancient, peaceful religion has become one of the greatest victims of Islamic jihad.

Before Iran (formerly called Persia) was invaded by Muslim armies in the 7th century, Zoroastrianism was the major religion there. Founded by the Prophet Zoroaster, Zoroastrianism was the state religion of several Persian empires.


Muslims should actually feel guilt and shame in the face of the enormous damage and destruction they have brought to the Zoroastrian people, but the Islamist ideology seems to erase even the most humane emotions of its followers.

Another social disease commonplace in Turkey is “atheophobia” ‎– fear or hatred of atheism or atheists.

The 2015 Freedom of Thought Report by the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU) puts Turkey in the category of countries which expose their citizens who identify as atheists or non-religious to “severe discrimination.”

“Freedom of expression is theoretically protected by the current constitution, but is increasingly not respected in practice,” said the report. “Identifying [as an] ‘atheist’ prompts insults, threats, discrimination.”

In 2015, for instance, members of the Turkish Atheism Association (Ateizm Derne?i), spoke up about receiving death threats and hate mail, and how “atheist” is used as an insult or equated with “Satanism” or “terrorism.”

“The term ‘atheist’ is used as a harsh insult – one of the harshest in the country,” said Morgan Romano, vice-president of the Turkish Atheism Association, at the group’s first public conference in Germany.

“Furthermore, atheists are commonly and publicly discriminated against and are subjects of public and private hate speech in Yeni Turkiye [the New Turkey] all the time.”

In March, 2015, the Atheism Association had its website blocked in Turkey in a decision the association protested was “arbitrary.”

Given the Islamic roots of hatred for infidels, it seems that the Atheism Association is engaged in an extremely grueling business in Turkey: trying to promote understanding, tolerance and liberty in a sociologically Islamic society.

“Any person who openly disrespects the religious belief of a group is punished with imprisonment from six months to one year if such act causes potential risk for public peace,” says article 216 of the Turkish penal code.


But this “blasphemy law” seems to be in action only to punish non-Muslims or former Muslims or anyone who speaks critically about Islam. Bringing to account those who insult or even threaten non-Muslims is not very much included within the scope of this law.


The current constitution of Turkey lists secularism as one of the fundamental characteristics of the republic. The written law, which is not even put into practice effectively, is something; but promoting secularism as well as religious freedom and tolerance – through various means including public education and media – is another. And Turkey seems to fail terribly in the latter.



Uzay Bulut is a Turkish journalist formerly based in Ankara. She is presently in Washington, D.C. Follow her on Twitter at twitter.com/uzayb

Source: https://clarionproject.org/erdogan-revs-hate-between-muslims-and-turkeys-minorities/

Another Turkish perspective ....

@Indus Pakistan

Cheers, Doc
 
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Oh look at that a butthurt zoroastrian who is crying about Muh Muslims.

It was all good when the Zoroastrians had empires where they were killing and conquering. Since the Muslims put a stop to that the fire worshippers are crying.

If a bunch of Desert Nomads able to bring down your empire I call that an embarassment.

Literally no different than the Greek losers who cry and bitch about some Central Asian nomad bois took down their Byzantine Empire.

By the look of things, Erdogan seems to be no different to any leader using hate and polarization of us-vs-them among his OWN PEOPLE to keep power.

I thought he was bigger than that.

Cheers, Doc
 
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FEZANA (Federation of Zoroastrian Associations of North America) Expresses Concern at Turkish President’s Remarks About Zoroastrians

FEZANA recently wrote to the Turkish Ambassadors in Washington D.C., Ottawa and the Permanent Mission to the U.N. in New York; to express concern at the recent anti-Zoroastrian rhetoric emanating from the Turkish leadership. Below is a copy of the letter sent to the above mentioned officials.

The Honorable Serdar Kılıç

Ambassador of the Republic of Turkey to the United States

Embassy of Turkey To the United States

2525 Massachusetts Ave NW

Washington, DC 20008

Respected Ambassador Kılıç

At the Federation of Zoroastrian Associations of North America, the umbrella organization of Zoroastrian communities across the United States and Canada, we are deeply dismayed by the recent anti-Zoroastrian rhetoric emanating from Turkey. It is especially hurtful to hear some of it coming directly from President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Zoroastrians worldwide are minuscule in number, and citizens of many lands. Everywhere they reside they are known and admired for living in harmony with members of other faiths — Muslims, Christians, Hindus, and others — and for contributing greatly to the well-being of society regardless of religious affiliation. And throughout the centuries, Zoroastrians have displayed exemplary loyalty to and affection for the lands of their birth even as they have held fast to their ancient faith. Always, they have been guided by the core tenets of their religion — Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds.

So it is disconcerting to hear invective being hurled at them in Turkey, where most likely just a handful of Zoroastrians reside. Such rhetoric, sowing suspicion of a minority community, typically ends up giving license for discrimination, or worse. It also has the potential to defame Zoroastrians far beyond Turkey’s borders, in regions not familiar with this peaceable community.

Turkey is a great nation. What is said and done there is heard and seen all over the world. We appeal to the Turkish authorities to cease this baseless targeting of Zoroastrians.

Most sincerely,

Homi D. Gandhi

President

FEZANA

The above letter was also sent to

The Honorable Selcuk Unal

Ambassador of Turkey to Canada

197 Wurtemburg Street

Ottawa, Ontario K1N 8L9

Canada

and

The Honorable Yaşar Halit Çevik

Ambassador of the Republic of Turkey to the United Nations

Permanent Mission of Turkey to the United Nations

885 Second Avenue, 45th Floor

New York, NY 10017

Source: https://fezana.org/fezana-express-concern-at-turkish-presidents-remarks-about-zoroastrians/

Sharp reactions from the community worldwide ....

Cheers, Doc
 
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Oh look at that a butthurt zoroastrian who is crying about Muh Muslims.

It was all good when the Zoroastrians had empires where they were killing and conquering. Since the Muslims put a stop to that the fire worshippers are crying.

If a bunch of Desert Nomads able to bring down your empire I call that an embarassment.

Literally no different than the Greek losers who cry and bitch about some Central Asian nomad bois who took down their Byzantine Empire.

Hahahaha Uzay Bulut aka the Traitor I hope she gets arrested for treason.

@The Eagle @waz @Oscar @Slav Defence @Zaki @WebMaster

It has been pointed out multiple times on this forum that Zoroastrians are NOT Fire worshipers.

This terminology is specifically used by Arabs, Turks, and even some Pakistanis in my experience to abuse and bait Zoroastrians. Similar to the Arabs using the derogatory phrase Atash Parast. And other here on this very thread acting sanctimonious after taking side swipes of Zoroastrian Kurds jumping over fire ....

As such it breaks your forum rules of abusing and disrespecting a member's nationality, ethnicity or religion.

1) Will you please enforce the rules impartially? And punish those who bait in this manner?

2) Will you kindly make a rule that Zoroastrians are NOT to be called Fire worshipers as we are offended by it? We worship ONLY Ahura Mazda.

This is really not fair guys. To use numbers to subdue one man. No religion should be abused, however small.

Cheers, Doc
 
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That is your pan-Islamist paranoia speaking.

I've said a million times on this forum something that all world Zarthosthis believe and pray for. And are now putting their no insignificant resources and influence behind.

We only want to reclaim our ancestral.land and people.

To be blunt, we do not care if you are Hindu or Muslim.

Cheers, Doc
Why it is a paranoia if a Muslim speaks in support of other Muslims in other regions but it is totally okay for an Indian Zoroastrian to speak in the support of Kurd Zoroastrian?
 
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Why it is a paranoia if a Muslim speaks in support of other Muslims in other regions but it is totally okay for an Indian Zoroastrian to speak in the support of Kurd Zoroastrian?

I was referring to your tin-foil hat theory of the rise of the Persian-Hindu empire. That was the paranoia I was pointing out.

Why should I be bothered about who you support. Please support who or what you want.

Cheers, Doc
 
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It seems zoroasts are a threat to the regional countries and they have ulterior and hostile motives

Maybe its time to start locking them up or rounding them up:coffee:
 
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Erdogan Revs Hate Between Muslims and Turkey’s Minorities

By Uzay Bulut

ErdoganPortrait-IP_2.jpg


On May 28, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan visited the predominantly Kurdish city of Diyarbak?r and delivered a public speech in which he targeted Kurds requesting official recognition and the right to self-rule, calling them “atheists” and “Zoroastrians.”

In an attempt to appeal to Islamist sentiment, Erdogan claimed that Kurdish militants had burnt down schools and mosques, stating, “They are atheists, they are Zoroastrians. They are useless. They have not and are not acting with our values.”

This was not the first time Erdogan targeted non-Muslims in his public speeches.

In February, 2014, in the city of Balikesir, Erdogan, then prime minister, referred to the students of the Middle East University in Ankara, as “atheists” and “terrorists.” The students had protested the construction of the “1071 Manzikert Boulevard,” to which the police responded with gas bombs and pressurized water.

“On Monday, we opened the boulevard built by our metropolitan municipality of Ankara,” said Erdogan. “Despite whom? Despite those leftists! Despite those atheists! They are atheists! They are terrorists!”

The Battle of Manzikert was fought in 1071 in Anatolia between the Byzantine Empire and the Seljuq Turks, which marked the beginning of the Islamic invasion of Anatolia. The defeat of the Byzantine army and the capture of the Emperor Romanos IV Diogenes paved the way for the gradual Turkification and Islamization of Anatolia and Armenia.

Erdogan bashed the university students in his own unique way: “What is the name of the boulevard? Manzikert 1071. One of them was wearing Byzantine clothes. Alp Arslan [the Sultan of the Seljuq Empire] fought against Byzantium. So he [the student] put himself in the position of Byzantium. Shame on you!”

Apparently, Erdogan knows the easy and certain way of getting votes from much of Turkish public: Target any non-Muslim community – Jews, Christians, atheists, Alevis, Zoroastrians, you name it – and get the votes of millions of people, those who might not even know anything about the said religions or people but whose overall hatred for the “infidel” would be enough to make them enjoy the hate-filled slurs.

In May 2015, in the predominantly Kurdish city of Batman, Erdogan once again publicly targeted the secular, pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) – for “having nothing to do with Islam.”

“They say they will abolish Diyanet [Turkey’s Presidency of Religious Affairs]. They have nothing to do with religion. The Diyanet that they say they will abolish has published the Kurdish translation of the Koran.

“They [the HDP party] go to extremes by saying that Jerusalem belongs to Jews. They have nothing whatsoever with Islam. Jerusalem is the most important Kaaba [sacred site] of Muslims; it is where we found life.

“We have documents that in the mountains, they [the PKK] give education of the Zoroastrian religion.”

Despite the hateful stigma of Erdogan regarding Zoroastrianism, it is an ancient faith of peace, ethics and wisdom. Basic tenets of Zoroastrians include: “Humata, ‘Good Thoughts’, Hukhata, ‘Good Words’, and Havarashta, ‘Good Deeds’.

“These three principles are included in many Zoroastrian prayers, and children commit themselves to abide by them at their initiation ceremony, marking their responsible entry into the faith as practicing Zoroastrians. They are the moral code by which a Zoroastrian lives.”

Sadly, this ancient, peaceful religion has become one of the greatest victims of Islamic jihad.

Before Iran (formerly called Persia) was invaded by Muslim armies in the 7th century, Zoroastrianism was the major religion there. Founded by the Prophet Zoroaster, Zoroastrianism was the state religion of several Persian empires.


Muslims should actually feel guilt and shame in the face of the enormous damage and destruction they have brought to the Zoroastrian people, but the Islamist ideology seems to erase even the most humane emotions of its followers.

Another social disease commonplace in Turkey is “atheophobia” ‎– fear or hatred of atheism or atheists.

The 2015 Freedom of Thought Report by the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU) puts Turkey in the category of countries which expose their citizens who identify as atheists or non-religious to “severe discrimination.”

“Freedom of expression is theoretically protected by the current constitution, but is increasingly not respected in practice,” said the report. “Identifying [as an] ‘atheist’ prompts insults, threats, discrimination.”

In 2015, for instance, members of the Turkish Atheism Association (Ateizm Derne?i), spoke up about receiving death threats and hate mail, and how “atheist” is used as an insult or equated with “Satanism” or “terrorism.”

“The term ‘atheist’ is used as a harsh insult – one of the harshest in the country,” said Morgan Romano, vice-president of the Turkish Atheism Association, at the group’s first public conference in Germany.

“Furthermore, atheists are commonly and publicly discriminated against and are subjects of public and private hate speech in Yeni Turkiye [the New Turkey] all the time.”

In March, 2015, the Atheism Association had its website blocked in Turkey in a decision the association protested was “arbitrary.”

Given the Islamic roots of hatred for infidels, it seems that the Atheism Association is engaged in an extremely grueling business in Turkey: trying to promote understanding, tolerance and liberty in a sociologically Islamic society.

“Any person who openly disrespects the religious belief of a group is punished with imprisonment from six months to one year if such act causes potential risk for public peace,” says article 216 of the Turkish penal code.


But this “blasphemy law” seems to be in action only to punish non-Muslims or former Muslims or anyone who speaks critically about Islam. Bringing to account those who insult or even threaten non-Muslims is not very much included within the scope of this law.


The current constitution of Turkey lists secularism as one of the fundamental characteristics of the republic. The written law, which is not even put into practice effectively, is something; but promoting secularism as well as religious freedom and tolerance – through various means including public education and media – is another. And Turkey seems to fail terribly in the latter.



Uzay Bulut is a Turkish journalist formerly based in Ankara. She is presently in Washington, D.C. Follow her on Twitter at twitter.com/uzayb

Source: https://clarionproject.org/erdogan-revs-hate-between-muslims-and-turkeys-minorities/

Another Turkish perspective ....

@Indus Pakistan

Cheers, Doc
Come and fight for your dream. Come and fight for the Kurdish paradise and Ahura Mazda. We are waiting you with open hands and will give you a nice hug. We know very well how to deal with your kinds. Terrorist scum. Where is Ahura Mazda when they are blowing themselves into crowds or are shooting and burning civilian vehicles? Isn't it against the rules or it is allowed if its for the cause. I am pissing over your dreams. I wish you join your brothers and sisters in the donkey heaven. May Allah protect our Kurdish hardworking citizens from your poison and give them peace. Scums have only one purpose and it is to face the barrel of the Turkish soldier. I don't want to abuse the rules and risk a ban and will not show you how the fighters of the humanism, communism, democracy, feminism, Ahura Mazda is ending and is going to end.
 
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I was referring to your tin-foil hat theory of the rise of the Persian-Hindu empire. That was the paranoia I was pointing out.

Why should I be bothered about who you support. Please support who or what you want.

Cheers, Doc
mine? how come :rofl::lol:

It seems zoroasts are a threat to the regional countries and they have ulterior and hostile motives

Maybe its time to start locking them up or rounding them up:coffee:
Not the ones in Pakistan. They are quite okay, India is a different story because none in that country is peaceful..
 
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@The Eagle @waz @Oscar @Slav Defence @Zaki @WebMaster

It has been pointed out multiple times on this forum that Zoroastrians are NOT Fire worshipers.

This terminology is specifically used by Arabs, Turks, and even some Pakistanis in my experience to abuse and bait Zoroastrians. Similar to the Arabs using the derogatory phrase Atash Parast. And other here on this very thread acting sanctimonious after taking side swipes of Zoroastrian Kurds jumping over fire ....

As such it breaks your forum rules of abusing and disrespecting a member's nationality, ethnicity or religion.

1) Will you please enforce the rules impartially? And punish those who bait in this manner?

2) Will you kindly make a rule that Zoroastrians are NOT to be called Fire worshipers as we are offended by it? We worship ONLY Ahura Mazda.

This is really not fair guys. To use numbers to subdue one man. No religion should be abused, however small.

Cheers, Doc

You are expecting too much of neutrality from this forum...Good luck with your endeavour..
 
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It seems zoroasts are a threat to the regional countries and they have ulterior and hostile motives

Maybe its time to start locking them up or rounding them up:coffee:

Please be respectful and call us Zoroastrians.

Do you see me calling you guys by derogatory short forms?

@waz

Cheers, Doc

You are expecting too much of neutrality from this forum...Good luck with your endeavour..

Waz and Oscar are the old school guys I am appealing to.

I have frankly little hope of a fair shake from the eagle.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Come and fight for your dream. Come and fight for the Kurdish paradise and Ahura Mazda. We are waiting you with open hands and will give you a nice hug. We know very well how to deal with your kinds. Terrorist scum. Where is Ahura Mazda when they are blowing themselves into crowds or are shooting and burning civilian vehicles? Isn't it against the rules or it is allowed if its for the cause. I am pissing over your dreams. I wish you join your brothers and sisters in the donkey heaven. May Allah protect our Kurdish hardworking citizens from your poison and give them peace. Scums have only one purpose and it is to face the barrel of the Turkish soldier. I don't want to abuse the rules and risk a ban and will not show you how the fighters of the humanism, communism, democracy, feminism, Ahura Mazda is ending and is going to end.

What makes you think Indian Zoroastrians are not already fighting alongside the Kurds?

Simple question.

This in spite of the fact that EACH born Zoroastrian today is a priceless receptacle of our unbroken ancient heritage that needs to be passed on.

The "teaching" your Erdogan is talking about. He's not off the mark at all.

There is a regular flow of priests and trainee navars and mobeds between India and Iraq.

And each priest we train here, trains 10 there. Each Navjote we perform here or in the West, is repeated 100 times as the Sudreh Pooshi ceremony for new reverts there.

Cheers, Doc

Its a long word, man

Cool.

Cheers, Doc
 
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You claim to have Turkish friends, well then im sure you also know you wont make friends with Turks when you have eyes on their soil.
Turkey has no problem with Kurds, you just have to check out who is the biggest trading partner of KRG but when you support/turn a blind eye Turkeys enemies, take actions triggering unrest in Turkey then there will be consequences which KRG found out this year.
 
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