Open Debate | Do Bangladeshis regard India as a 'savior' ?

[UKBengali]

does it negate what he observed?

Of course not.

But the fact is that there are over a dozen known active members from BD who will not vote for India being a saviour easily.

There may be some false voters but in pdf at least, BD posters are not as friendly to India as the current Awami League government that is in power.

 

[livingdead]

Of course not.

But the fact is that there are over a dozen known active members from BD who will not vote for India being a saviour easily.

There may be some false voters but in pdf at least, BD posters are not as friendly to India as the current Awami League government that is in power.

Nobody is claiming that. Till very recently bd section was overrun by rabid anti Indian bangladeshis, but recently due to a dedicated mod things has changed. Still most bangladeshis here are anti Indian but a tiny few are not and dont mind saying so.

 

[audi]

Take it from me that I am a Bengali and I voted that India is not seen as a saviour

As far as I am concerned, India did what it had to do for it's own interests and not out of any love for BD Muslims.

Now, if India would stop this interference in BD politics and behave a bit more magnanimously, then relations would
of course improve between the two countries on a permanent basis, even when the Awami League are not in power anymore.

I am simply talking about the mods behavior of only pointing out Indian posters, when Pakistanis have voted in this poll in much larger numbers. Never once in my post did I challenge what Bangladeshis think, and neither can I be bothered enough about this issue to care about it.

 

[LaBong]

What kind of action were taken against them for attempt of distorting poll result?

They should be banned to avenge India's malaunic role in 1971 to break Pakistan in half.  

Take it from me that I am a Bengali and I voted that India is not seen as a saviour

As far as I am concerned, India did what it had to do for it's own interests and not out of any love for BD Muslims.

Now, if India would stop this interference in BD politics and behave a bit more magnanimously, then relations would
of course improve between the two countries on a permanent basis, even when the Awami League are not in power anymore.

By using the word 'savior', thread starter pretty much assured to hurt BD ego so that they don't vote in favor of India. I'm sure plenty Bangladeshis voted in favor if the option was more neutral sounding and truer to the context- "Bangladeshis regard India's interference as a helping hand". In fact even I don't consider India as savior of Bangladeshis, but Indian Army and diplomacy did help them when they were in need.

But then that would not have worked out as an ego boost, would it?

 

[dray]

@Aeronaut 61 votes so far, so who are the Pakistanis that have voted? I am sure you are going to name & shame them like a true impartial mod!

 

[afriend]

Respect or no respect. fact is India helped Bangladesh win war against Pakistan.. and its to Indian army the Pakistan army surrendered and not to Bangladeshi forces..!!! And the lack of respect or considering India savior.. that dosent matter now.. as most of the Indians doesn't have any brotherly feeling towards Bangladeshis either.. as whenever we hear a news about Bangladesh.. its mostly of the illegal immigration and demographic change and border skirmish..!!! i

 

[dray]

I have no doubt that the word "Savior" was used here with a different purpose in mind, a more appropriate term could have been used. There is no doubt that India had her own interests in the whole episode, however, there is also an effort here to belittle India's role in 1971. Let's assume for once that Kashmir didn't happen between India & Pakistan, there were no 1948 & 1965, the relationship between India & West Pakistan was favorable, and India decided not to get involved in the 1971 fiasco. Let's go back to 1971 and see how things look without India into that equation.

1. Mukti Bahini: India helped in creating the Mukti Bahini, India provided finance, arms, intel, strategy, training, land to launch attack, land to fall back and regroup, safe shelters for East Pakistani leaders, almost everything that they needed to fight the war. How effective the Mukti Bahini would be without India into the equation? Remember, they had only one friend back then, without it Mukti Bahini would be a ill-financed, ill-equiped, ill-trained force fighting blind without any intel. East Pakistan being a small & flat country, there would be little "safe" place to set up command & control, launch attack & fall back, regroup, formulate strategy and fight as a single unit against a professional army. Add to that, without a safe land to take shelter, East Pakistan would have lost its important leaders to Pakistani army at a high rate.

At worst, there may not be any Mukti Bahini at all, it might be scattered groups of brave souls taking on the Pakistani army without any coordination. No doubt Bangladesh's freedom movement would be in a seriously disadvantageous position without India's help.

2. Pakistan: One thing we can safely say about Pakistani army is that, they are of very persisting nature, they can't really let go things even if the chances of winning it is very slim. They would not let go East Pakistan easily if they were not so decisively defeated by India. And most of the BD members would agree that Pakistan lost there ability to continue fighting in east Pakistan because their supply was broken, by India of course. Now, imagine a completely unchallenged Pakistan with a smooth unbroken supply line to East Pakistan, and things change completely!! They could simply bring another one lakh soldier if required, they could secure airstrips and bring their mighty airforce (Which was really high-tech back then), and crush any opposing voice in East Pakistan. Nothing, absolutely nothing could have stopped them. Well, only conscience could have stopped them, but they didn't show that they had any.

3. With a severely crippled freedom movement (as explained in point no. 1) and an unchallenged Pakistani military, things are already looking hopeless for East Pakistan. Now you can also factor in America & China into the equation. They couldn't interfere as Russia was on India's side, protection from Russia wouldn't be there if India was not involved. Now I will not imagine an American fleet at Bay of Bengal actively participating in the war, that would be too much for East Pakistan, neither Pakistan would actually need that when they are unchallenged by anybody. But diplomatic help and help with support and supply by these two countries would add further problem to East Pakistan. Again remember, even with India's full help to Mukti Bahini, the war could finally end after a full-scale war between to professional armies, and they surrendered to India, not Mukti Bahini.

We should not also forget the immense diplomatic help India provided to East Pakistan before the war, as well as after the war to get East Pakistan recognized as Bangladesh, sadly, still some BD members here never fail to dish out one or two conspiracy theory threads every month to prove that India wanted (or still wants) to annex Bangladesh.
We should also remember the humanitarian help India provided to East Pakistan / Bangladesh by sheltering millions of refugees as our people (And we are still doing that!).

Finally, I wonder whether the leaders of East Pakistan would have taken such a bold step against West Pakistan without assurance of help from India.

 

[Kompromat]

@Aeronaut 61 votes so far, so who are the Pakistanis that have voted? I am sure you are going to name & shame them like a true impartial mod!

Posted earlier too.

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This is over all options inc multiple selection.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

WTF I clicked on the poll results and half the votes are from Indians?

 

[Zabaniyah]

WTF I clicked on the poll results and half the votes are from Indians?

You just got trolled

 

[Kompromat]

WTF I clicked on the poll results and half the votes are from Indians?

They love hijacking other people's opinions, poor souls cant help poke their nose everywhere else.

 

[Soms]

Most of my Bangladeshi gen Y colleagues who are highly patriotic.... refuse to believe that India had a role to play other than aiding the multi Mukti Bahini in some small way!

The option I would have wanted to vote for is not there!

 

[MilSpec]

The question is that during the 1971 war when there was a civil strife in then East Pakistan, India decided to take advantage of the civil strige and invaded Pakistan against all international laws. Their agenda was to disintegrate Pakistan while appealing to the eastern Pakistanis as their 'saviors', hence trying to score two hits with one shot.

Since the war is over and Bangladesh is now a free nation, i am interested in asking from the Bangladeshis on this forum, if or not today in 2013, they accept India as their 'savior' for invading in a domestic conflict of a sovereign nation, or not. What role does India play in the psyche and the history of Bangladesh for the Bangladeshi youth??

Please participate in a civil debate and the poll.

Best regards.

Well having a heavy bias in the platform of debate itself makes this whole exercise a moot point. Civil strife is a cosy way of disguising one of the most grotesque human tragedies of the worst kind in the region. If India's intervention in Bangladesh was point scoring, then so was britain and US's intervention in germany for the holocaust.

In the end it comes down to religion, for some reason, on the internet, a Hindu India Aiding a Muslim revolution is just not acceptable, hence there are hollow attempts to find all the evil withing the Indian campaign, and I am afraid so is this exercise to demonstrate the same as @Aeronaut you are well aware of the trend of replies this tread will generate.

This forum draws Anti-India bangladeshi loonies like moth to the flame, who are more than eager to take over New Delhi faster than Mr Z Hamid, Being a Bengali and having interacted with bangladeshis in Nadia district (W.B) the views of general Bangladeshis is quite different from the ones I have come across on this forum. 

Sarmila Bose is a highly educated and reputable writer.

Three books make you a reputable writer.... Do you know how many best sellers Bill O Reilly published (who is harvard alumini btw)????

 

[Anubis]

Well having a heavy bias in the platform of debate itself makes this whole exercise a moot point. Civil strife is a cosy way of disguising one of the most grotesque human tragedies of the worst kind in the region. If India's intervention in Bangladesh was point scoring, then so was britain and US's intervention in germany for the holocaust.

In the end it comes down to religion, for some reason, on the internet, a Hindu India Aiding a Muslim revolution is just not acceptable, hence there are hollow attempts to find all the evil withing the Indian campaign, and I am afraid so is this exercise to demonstrate the same as @Aeronaut you are well aware of the trend of replies this tread will generate.

This forum draws Anti-India bangladeshi loonies like moth to the flame, who are more than eager to take over New Delhi faster than Mr Z Hamid, Being a Bengali and having interacted with bangladeshis in Nadia district (W.B) the views of general Bangladeshis is quite different from the ones I have come across on this forum. 

Three books make you a reputable writer.... Do you know how many best sellers Bill O Reilly published (who is harvard alumini btw)????

Don't mean to disrespect you if you are also from Harvard....but George Bush is also a Harvard alumni...and the only thing Bill O Reilly writes about is killing people...killing kennedy..killing lincoln...killing jesus...he's really smart..but the same can't be said about his fan base!

 

[MilSpec]

Don't mean to disrespect you if you are also from Harvard....but George Bush is also a Harvard alumni...and the only thing Bill O Reilly writes about is killing people...killing kennedy..killing lincoln...killing jesus...he's really smart..but the same can't be said about his fan base!

None taken, the entire point of Bill's example was to point at Mr Munshi's post of credentials of sharmili bose, other than being subash bose's family and controversial writing, there is nothing. As far as as "research associate" credentials are concerned , even I was one at caltech for two years....