Op-Ed: Pakistani Supreme Court Judges Brought This Problem On Themselves

[Thorough Pro]

I not only fully agree with you but I would go one step further and hold our judicial system and the judges for the corruption culture in Pakistan. In my lifetime, I do not recall seeing a single influential individual of being punished for his corruption.

In every other situation you can have favourable, unfavourable or neutral position, but in judiciary there is no room for neutrality, either you convict the criminal award punishment or exonerate them if proven not guilty. But only in Pakistani judicial system you have all the proofs to convict but you still let them roam free and there are thousands of examples. The only people who get punished are the poor people who get penalised for petty crimes.

The only reason it happens is because the judiciary, the judges and the lawyers are all corrupt to the core criminals and work as a mafia to protect them, because these corrupt people keep them in business. If there is ever a revolution in Pakistan, they must start with the judges followed by lawyers. Show no mercy to these hidden enemies of the society.

Hi,

These judges are at fault---it is because of their incompetence and weakness that the politicians are talking like that against the judges on public forums.

These judges have created situations like these by not nipping the problems in the bud in a timely member---the only thing that they have uttered is " don't challenge our patience "---which meant that these judges are basically cowards at heart and neither do they have the courage and nor the force to take these corrupt politicians to task who threatened them.

These judges had neither provided justice to the public and nor had they forced the rule of law---their judgements are worthless---worthless than even a toilet paper---worthless on the paper that they are written on---worthless in their implementations---but when you listen to them---they claim to be the most honorable people of the realm of islam---how disgusting.

They had the opportunity to nip this problem in the bud---the nation was ready for the final verdict and they screwed up on that as well.

They will pay a heavy price for the drama that they have created---this problem is the creation of their own inaction and inability---.

The judges of the pakistani supreme court must look inside of them and see what have they done to themselves and the nation to be in this position that they are in.

 

[Zibago]

I m telling u the American law uncle

Do american laws allow people to threat judges?

 

[El Sidd]

Yes we always blame the fat kid(judge) when you start running out of cheese. But how can we not blame the one who did the grocery(prosecution).

I for one have no problem at all with this delay or this dilemma Pakistan is going through. Gives us enough of an excuse to stay away from the mess rest of the world is piling up.

Pakistan would be like the hormone driven teenager who shows up late to the party and still gets all the chicks. Hitting the floor just when the odd ones are giving up and self immolating themselves in desperation.

So relax its all under control

 

[S.Y.A]

Yes we always blame the fat kid(judge) when you start running out of cheese. But how can we not blame the one who did the grocery(prosecution).

the example doesn't even fit here. you are comparing justice to cheese?

 

[El Sidd]

the example doesn't even fit here. you are comparing justice to cheese?

Yes. If you enjoy cheese yes.
Because you can never have enough of cheese just like enough of justice.
And justice stinks just like cheese.
And the Pakistani system of justice is as good as cheese these days.

 

[Awan68]

Hi,

Sir---the reflection is not on me---the reflection is on what the judges have not done---. So---you need to direct your focus elsewhere---.

See what the problem is---and act to correct it.



Hir,

Slow and steady steps of the judicial system are the enemy of the justice system---justice needs to be swift---justice needs to be obvious---justice needs to visible---justice needs to look like that justice is happening---justice needs to bring closure to a case as fast as possible.

Looking at this case from the american perspective---the pakistani justices are not in sync with the international law---they are not in sync with the money laundering law---.

In the 80's in los angeles and miami and new york---a lots of cops were on the take of drug money---. To find who they were---an internal security task force started looking at the physical changes in the habits of the cops---like what kind of shoes they are staring to wear---dress shirts---suits---ties---watches---cars that they are driving---house they are living in---houses that mother and father are living in---.

They looked at spending habbits---where are the cops under investigation eating out or the bars they are visiting---then they would match the information to the cops income and determine the outcome---.

They did not have to prove the source of funds or the money trail---the cop had to prove his innocence---.

I mean to say---these judges are acting totally dumb to the changes that have happened in the world---.

The pakistani supreme court judges have been criminally negligent for being out of touch from reality---.

They talk too much---they need to keep their mouths shut and let then pens do the talking---.

Sir i think the JIT path taken, can mean two distinct things so lets wait for the final verdict before deciding which it is.

I mentioned generalisation because contrary to what it seems when things are in a transition phase in a society, its never institutions but a few individuals in those institutions that pave the way.

Comparing an american judicial system as old as 1789 with a 70 yr old pakistani one is not fair assesment by any means.

Before justice can be swift etc etc, it needs to exist and the road to its existance is never a motorway.

You are confusing the parrameters of judiciary with those of investigative agencies, a judge's job is to state the relevant law and reach a decision is coherence with it, investigation etc etc is presented before them by the relative agencies hence the JIT.

If it is to be such a historical verdict as we think it is, than it needed to be concrete, leaving no room for bias and subclauses for the accused to question its morality in the political arena, hence the final verdict will better help us to gauge the credibility of the judges in question.

 

[MastanKhan]

Do american laws allow people to threat judges?

Hi,

No they don't---. The local police will take care of you---and take care of you so well that you don't make a threat---.

The problem over here is that those making threats have no relationship to the crime in question---ie the corruption case against the pm and his family---and the threats coming from other ministers and also claims being made by other ministers that there is nothing wrong with the financial crime.

The judges should have charged them as well for hindering the judicial process---creating a scenario to make the one charged look innocent and creating a civil unrest in the society.

The judges created a bigger problem when they did not allow live video of the daily proceedings---even when they saw the govt officials lying every day after the end of the daily proceedings---.

The letter from Qatar should have been rejected right away---. The judges themselves allowed deceit and deception slip into the case by claiming that we will control it later---well later does not work well for the judicial system---.

It must be now---it must be quick---it must be decisive. That is where they failed the system.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The american judicial system is a ruthless and a brutal judicial system overall---.

Just read into this case----. This guy had nothing to do in child molestation ca of Jerry Sandusky---except that he was the president of the university and did not do anything to stop the abuse---even though he knew about it.

So---he became a part of the cover up and allowed others in the criminal offence---.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/f...headed-prison-sandusky-scandal-182252816.html

Now translate it to the pakistani politicians on PML-N or PPP-P---what are they doing when they are protecting the assets of Nawaz or Zardari

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir i think the JIT path taken, can mean two distinct things so lets wait for the final verdict before deciding which it is.

I mentioned generalisation because contrary to what it seems when things are in a transition phase in a society, its never institutions but a few individuals in those institutions that pave the way.

Comparing an american judicial system as old as 1789 with a 70 yr old pakistani one is not fair assesment by any means.

Before justice can be swift etc etc, it needs to exist and the road to its existance is never a motorway.

You are confusing the parrameters of judiciary with those of investigative agencies, a judge's job is to state the relevant law and reach a decision is coherence with it, investigation etc etc is presented before them by the relative agencies hence the JIT.

If it is to be such a historical verdict as we think it is, than it needed to be concrete, leaving no room for bias and subclauses for the accused to question its morality in the political arena, hence the final verdict will better help us to gauge the credibility of the judges in question.

Hi,

Wait---wait---wait---is all you have my man---. What if the govt uses 209---then what.

Bottom line is that the 3 judges fckd up real bad in their decision---they acted a " little too clever "---they had all the substance in front of them---they just did not have the ballz to step forward---.

 

[Awan68]

Hi,

Wait---wait---wait---is all you have my man---. What if the govt uses 209---then what.

Bottom line is that the 3 judges fckd up real bad in their decision---they acted a " little too clever "---they had all the substance in front of them---they just did not have the ballz to step forward---.

209 wont work, it involves the chief justice and saqib nisar isnt pmln's man, if the govt does take the 209 route, it will be a major defeat for them in the political arena, this isnt 97 and there is a very strong and uncompromising opposition in place this time around.

They had no substance infront of them, decisions of this magnitude are not taken on unconclusive and inadmissable evidence because they have a tendency of firing back n turning out to be counter productive in the long run.

Had they taken a decision in haste and without proper investigation pmln would've taken the judiciary to the cleaners, with the credibility of the judiciary in tatters, pmln would've emerged as the sole power in pakistan, unchecked n unchallenged...

 

[MastanKhan]

209 wont work, it involves the chief justice and saqib nisar isnt pmln's man, if the govt does take the 209 route, it will be a major defeat for them in the political arena, this isnt 97 and there is a very strong and uncompromising opposition in place this time around.

They had no substance infront of them, decisions of this magnitude are not taken on unconclusive and inadmissable evidence because they have a tendency of firing back n turning out to be counter productive in the long run.

Had they taken a decision in haste and without proper investigation pmln would've taken the judiciary to the cleaners, with the credibility of the judiciary in tatters, pmln would've emerged as the sole power in pakistan, unchecked n unchallenged...

Hi,

There was no haste on the part of the judges---they had given as much time to the Sharif family to come up with evidence---.

The judges were being EXTRA CLEVER---.

The judges are so clueless that they don't know that sicilian mafia does not threaten the judges families---. It is done by the russian mafia and the drug cartels---.

These guys are trying to be too clever---and they have fckd up---I pray they get out of this mess in one piece---but for their sake they tried their best to screw things up real good---.

Strike when the iron is hot---.

 

[Citizen of Pakistan]

In US you cannot prosecute financial crime older than 5 years.. there is a time limitation on that... this case is 25 years old. Check your facts first

Wrong this falls under white collar crime and there are no time limitations on that, heard of the famous case about Enron?

 

[S.Y.A]

Yes. If you enjoy cheese yes.
Because you can never have enough of cheese just like enough of justice.
And justice stinks just like cheese.
And the Pakistani system of justice is as good as cheese these days.

still does not fit. you are just trying very hard to be relevant.

 

[BATMAN]

Judges and liars (lawyers) of Pakistan are more corrupt than politicians.
While hypocrisy over flow of our society can be seen from the fact, that Pervez Musharraf was disqualified by using article 63/64.
Logic was given, he broke his promise of returning to Pakistan on given date !!!!
This was the day, when all sane and fair people of Pakistan should have realized judiciary is as corrupt as it can get.

 

[El Sidd]

still does not fit. you are just trying very hard to be relevant.

Ok buddy. The example doesn't fit here. I take it back.