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After atomic bombings on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, US continued to test more experiments in destroying warships (Frigates, Submarines, Destroyers, AC, Japan Advanced Nagato Warships, goats, pigs, vice versa..)

It is called a secret project called Operational Crossroads in Marshall Island (see map) away 5000 miles from United States. Around 170 Islanders moved out immediately. Then 200-250 US warships deployed with some scientists to prove tests.

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YouTube - Operation Crossroads

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More details:
Part 1
YouTube - Operation Crossroads: Atomic Tests (1946) - Part 1
 
Saw this stuff as searching for Francium hob on YouTube.
Why did this news didn't break earlier due to success or did I not get it?
Pakistan is capable to do it, and believe me, will do it in a decade. We will own a couple of these. No wonder, we have got the highest nukes developing rate for a country with dead economy.
Our defence forces always make us proud of them! :) :)
 
After atomic bombings on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, US continued to test more experiments in destroying warships (Frigates, Submarines, Destroyers, AC, Japan Advanced Nagato Warships, goats, pigs, vice versa..)

VICE VERSA? You mean after US tests, The goats, pigs and destroyers began testing nukes on the Americans? :woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:
 
research data collected from these tests should serve well to neutralize cold start!
 
VICE VERSA? You mean after US tests, The goats, pigs and destroyers began testing nukes on the Americans? :woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

I do hope so.................

The sheer F***ing arrogance of having dropped an atomic bomb knowibgly killing innocent unarmed civilians and to then continue with its testing open air, and then to dictate to the world about having any right to nuclear teachnology just makes you sick of these Americans.......
 
I do hope so.................

The sheer F***ing arrogance of having dropped an atomic bomb knowibgly killing innocent unarmed civilians and to then continue with its testing open air, and then to dictate to the world about having any right to nuclear teachnology just makes you sick of these Americans.......

to be fair everyone(nuclear powers) did open air tests, and in 46 we didnt know nearly as much about radiation, fallout as we do now and the tests were partially responsible for our knowledge now.
 
It is called a secret project called Operational Crossroads

Uh, the only thing secret about these tests is perhaps some of the data. All of the major test programs from those early days have been open knowledge. A simple search for Atomic Testing will reveal them all.

The sheer F***ing arrogance of having dropped an atomic bomb knowibgly killing innocent unarmed civilians and to then continue with its testing open air, and then to dictate to the world about having any right to nuclear teachnology just makes you sick of these Americans.......

Oh the horror... then why did Pakistan and India (and China, Russia, Britain, France, Israel) pursue these weapons?

After WW2, for several years, the U.S. had a complete monopoly on nuclear weapons. We could have used them to obliterate Russia or anyone else if we wanted to. We didn't. Instead, we executed the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe, and also The Berlin Airlift to keep West Berlin free from the USSR.
 
After WW2, for several years, the U.S. had a complete monopoly on nuclear weapons. We could have used them to obliterate Russia or anyone else if we wanted to. We didn't. Instead, we executed the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe, and also The Berlin Airlift to keep West Berlin free from the USSR.

myth, the us couldnt have use them to "obliterate" russia, the nukes then were small comparative, large and heavy, and the only way to drop them were by large bombers and the USA didnt have all that many of them and by 49 the ussr had their own.
 
myth, the us couldnt have use them to "obliterate" russia, the nukes then were small comparative, large and heavy, and the only way to drop them were by large bombers and the USA didnt have all that many of them and by 49 the ussr had their own.

The US had plenty of B-29s.:

Unlike many other WWII-era bombers, the B-29 remained in service long after the war ended, with a few even being employed as flying television transmitters for the Stratovision company. The type was finally retired in the early 1960s, with 3,960 aircraft in all built.
Boeing B-29 Superfortress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just that not all of these could actually drop THE bomb:

Silverplate was the code reference for the United States Army Air Forces participation in the Manhattan Project during World War II. Originally the name for the aircraft modification project for the B-29 Superfortress to enable it to drop an atomic weapon, Silverplate eventually came to identify the training and operational aspects of the program as well.
Between February 1944 and December 1947 a total of 65 B-29s were modified to Silverplate specifications in five increments. Ultimately 53 of them served with the first nuclear weapons unit, the 509th Composite Group
Silverplate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russian variant Tu-4 reverse engineered from regular not Silverplate B-29 had lesser range and payload:

The U.S. refused to supply the Soviet Union with B-29 heavy bombers under Lend Lease, despite repeated Soviet requests.[1] However, on three occasions during 1944, individual B-29s made emergency landings in Soviet territory after bombing raids on Japanese Manchuria and Japan. Stalin tasked Tupolev with cloning the Superfortress. The three B-29s were flown to Moscow and delivered into Tupolev OKB. One B-29 was fully dismantled, down to the smallest bolt, the second was used for flight tests and training, and the third one was left as a standard for cross-reference
The Tu-4 first flew on May 19th, 1947, piloted by test pilot Nikolai Rybko.[4] Serial production started immediately, and the type entered large-scale service in 1949. Eight hundred and forty-seven Tu-4s had been built when production ended in the Soviet Union in 1952.
The Soviet Union used the metric system, thus 1/16th inch (1.6 mm) thick sheet aluminum and proper rivet lengths were unavailable. The corresponding metric-gauge metal was thicker; as a result, the Tu-4 weighed about 3,100 lb (1,400 kg) more than the B-29, with a corresponding decrease in range and payload.
Tupolev Tu-4 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Even when they did manage a nuclear capable version, Tu-4A numbers were not very large either and they first appear 1952 (Korean War):

The deployment of the TU-4 bomber began in 1949, and they replaced wartime bombers such as the IL-4, B-25, PYE-8, B-17 and B-24 aircraft in Long-Range Aviation units. Patrolling mainly over Soviet territory, the bombers had a capability to strike at Europe, Northern Africa, the Near East and Japan.
Immediately after serial production of the Tu-4 was initiated, work began to adapt the bomber to strike at American territory. Some airplanes were outfitted to carry nuclear bombs and were designated as TU-4A. During re-equipment, the bomber was equipped with a thermostatically controlled heated bomb bay, a suspension unit for the bomb was developed, and biological protection devices for the crew were supplied. Some TU-4 bombers were equipped with aerial refueling devices, and very few were outfitted with additional fuel tanks located under the wings. They were deployed in 1952, though the majority of the TU-4 were not re-equipped with air refueling. Although the limited range of the Tu-4 rendered it incapable of striking the United States and subsequently returning to bases in the Soviet Union, neither country was a stranger to one-way strategic bombardment missions, given the precedent of the FRANTIC operations in World War II.
Tu-4 BULL - Russian and Soviet Nuclear Forces

Kind of like a smart kamikaze bomb ....

By that time, that whole concept was getting outdated:

In 1953, the USSR initiated, under the direction of the reactive propulsion engineer Sergey Korolyov, a program to develop an ICBM. Korolyov had constructed the R-1, a copy of the V-2 based on some captured materials, but later developed his own distinct design. This rocket, the R-7, was successfully tested in August 1957 becoming the world's first ICBM and, on October 4, 1957, placed the first artificial satellite in space, Sputnik.
In the USA, competition between the U.S. armed services meant that each force developed its own ICBM program. The U.S. initiated ICBM research in 1946 with the MX-774. However, its funding was cancelled and only three partially successful launches in 1948, of an intermediate rocket, were ever conducted. In 1951, the U.S. began a new ICBM program called MX-774 and B-65 (later renamed Atlas). The U.S.' first successful ICBM, the 1.44-megaton Atlas D, was launched on July 29, 1959, almost two years after the Soviet R-7 flight.[2][3]
Military units with deployed ICBM would first be fielded in 1959, in both the Soviet Union and the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icbm

Plus you had newer nuclear capable bombers by then:

The Convair B-36 "Peacemaker"[N 1]was a strategic bomber built by Convair and operated solely by the United States Air Force (USAF) from 1949 to 1959. The B-36 was the largest mass-produced piston engine aircraft ever made. The B-36 was the first bomber capable of delivering any of the nuclear weapons in the US arsenal from inside its two bomb bays without aircraft modifications. With a range greater than 6,000 mi (9,700 km) and a maximum payload of 72,000 lb (33,000 kg), (and thereby having the ability to carry both the US's atomic fission and fusion weapons), the B-36 was the world's first manned bomber with an unrefueled intercontinental range. Number built 384
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-36

The B-47 entered service with the United States Air Force's Strategic Air Command (SAC) in 1951. It never saw combat as a bomber, but was a mainstay of SAC's bomber strength during the 1950s and early 1960s, and remained in use as a bomber until 1965. Number built 2,032
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-47_Stratojet

In the late 1940s the Soviet Union was strongly committed to matching the United States in strategic bombing capability. The Soviets' only long-range bomber at the time was Tupolev's Tu-4 'Bull', a reverse-engineered version of the American B-29 Superfortress. The development of the extremely powerful Mikulin AM-3 turbojet led to the possibility of a large, jet-powered bomber. The Tupolev design bureau began work on the Tu-88 ("Aircraft N") prototypes in 1950. The Tu-88 first flew on 27 April 1952. After winning a competition against the Ilyushin Il-46, it was approved for production in December 1952. The first production bombers entered service with Frontal Aviation in 1954, receiving the service designation Tu-16. It received the NATO reporting name 'Badger-A'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-16
 
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The US had plenty of B-29s.:
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sorry i wasnt clear, when i said "they didnt have all that many of them" i meant the nukes not the bombers, anyways limited numbers of nukes and the nukes being smaller in output and the only delivery platform being bombers mean that there was no way the us can just do whatever it wanted(such as invade Russia and everyone else it didn't like) by the time decent numbers of them were made russia explodes its first bomb and no one wanted to risk somehow them delivering one to say, LA or NY in a war.
 
We wouldn't have to invade, simply obliterate Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad, etc. and set them back 100+ years.

Plus there was a window after 1949 as well. The same "rule" that applied to the US after 1945 also applied to the USSR, and they were even worse off, with little to no strategic bombing arm.

That's not the point. The original reply was to the insulting paragraph in post #6. There is no need for it.
 
We wouldn't have to invade, simply obliterate Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad, etc. and set them back 100+ years.

Plus there was a window after 1949 as well. The same "rule" that applied to the US after 1945 also applied to the USSR, and they were even worse off, with little to no strategic bombing arm.

That's not the point. The original reply was to the insulting paragraph in post #6. There is no need for it.

Yet..
there were advocates of such a policy..
on multiple accounts.
 
Sure... as were advocates of an invasion of Western Europe among Soviet leadership. Cooler heads prevailed. Thus began the Cold War, which most people on this forum were too young to remember. When the USSR dissolved, the feeling was one of gigantic disbelief. We thought the USSR would endure.

It's hard to describe the feeling as kids and young adults when each side had 10,000+ nukes aimed at each other. You'd look up in the sky and imagine dozens of re-entry trails culminating in that awful blinding light. It was deadly serious and very frightening, and more than once, the world was on the cusp of nuclear war.
 

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