Once upon a Time...When Islam came from the East.

[HannibalBarca]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1210568035351715842

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Muslims are in worst of their times. Only Allah knows when this all will stop?

There is DYING need of another powerful Islamic bloc

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Muslims are in worst of their times. Only Allah knows when this all will stop?

There is DYING need of another powerful Islamic bloc

Not a bloc but a very powerful Muslim nation not dependent on or dictated by a non-Muslim nation.

All the big Muslim nations currently that have large militaries are puppet to one of the three non-Muslim super powers, the US, Russia or China.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Not a bloc but a very powerful Muslim nation not dependent on or dictated by a non-Muslim nation.

All the big Muslim nations currently that have large militaries are puppet to one of the three non-Muslim super powers, the US, Russia or China.

Right but a bloc is also necessary...

US is the most powerful country yet bring allies into war

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Right but a bloc is also necessary...

US is the most powerful country yet bring allies into war

The "bloc" will have puppets to begin with to one of the three non-Muslim super powers. Therefore, the need is for a single very powerful Muslim country that can wean off the puppet Muslim nations off the non-Muslim super powers.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Muslims are in worst of their times. Only Allah knows when this all will stop?

There is DYING need of another powerful Islamic bloc

Also Muslims needs to be careful in who's hands they are playing ..

 

[Ritual]

The "bloc" will have puppets to begin with to one of the three non-Muslim super powers. Therefore, the need is for a single very powerful Muslim country that can wean off the puppet Muslim nations off the non-Muslim super powers.

But who can that one nation be? There isn’t one with the critical mass to stand alone, and neither can we see one in the next century unless some countries decide to unite together politically.

 

[Indos]

Indonesian Muslim is indeed getting more conservative over the years since we break out from authoritarian regime in 1998. Alhamdulillah. This is Prabowo Subianto campaign in 2019 where you can see people were attending since night and perform Tahajud and Fajr prayer before listening to the speech in the morning. I am my self vote for his rival because I see Jokowi has better economic policy. Nevertheless 45 % Indonesian are strong supporter of Islamist movement which is seen in latest election, and if this group get better leader they can win in the next election.

 

[HannibalBarca]

But who can that one nation be? There isn’t one with the critical mass to stand alone, and neither can we see one in the next century unless some countries decide to unite together politically.

Or one Country expend...

Indonesian Muslim is indeed getting more conservative over the years since we break out from authoritarian regime in 1998. Alhamdulillah. This is Prabowo Subianto campaign in 2019 where you can see people were attending since night and perform Tahajud and Fajr prayer before listening to the speech in the morning. I am my self vote for his rival because I see Jokowi has better economic policy. Nevertheless 45 % Indonesian are strong supporter of Islamist movement which is seen in latest election, and if this group get better leader they can win in the next election.

Can you give us your POV concerning Indo "Expansion" beyond her border (ideologically/economically/militarily etc...)
My premise for such Q, is based upon the necessity for Indo/Malaysia ( in a lesser extent) to start/increase an expansionist agenda like some ME countries, in the optic to challenge future "conflicts" (South China Sea/China/CNvsUS/ME current issues etc...)

 

[Ritual]

Or one Country expend...

But we haven’t seen even one country expand since 1945, in fact Bangladesh split because of ethno nationalism, and even Sudan was chopped in 1/2 while the Arab League sipped tea, there is just no vision of a large independent Islamic country, so only a NATO type unit is the way to go

 

[HannibalBarca]

But we haven’t seen even one country expand since 1945, in fact Bangladesh split because of ethno nationalism, and even Sudan was chopped in 1/2 while the Arab League sipped tea, there is just no vision of a large independent Islamic country, so only a NATO type unit is the way to go

Conflicts help a lot in that regard.
In ME per exemple...we could be at the beginning of an expansion... Since Unity wasn't possible despite Challenges/Conflict...

Or the Shadow of an expansion... could trigger a Unity among certain entities... that could create some sort of merging...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

But we haven’t seen even one country expand since 1945, in fact Bangladesh split because of ethno nationalism, and even Sudan was chopped in 1/2 while the Arab League sipped tea, there is just no vision of a large independent Islamic country, so only a NATO type unit is the way to go

Australians stole East Timor from Indonesia too.

 

[Indos]

Can you give us your POV concerning Indo "Expansion" beyond her border (ideologically/economically/militarily etc...)
My premise for such Q, is based upon the necessity for Indo/Malaysia ( in a lesser extent) to start/increase an expansionist agenda like some ME countries, in the optic to challenge future "conflicts" (South China Sea/China/CNvsUS/ME current issues etc...)

According to my opinion, such expansion is not going to happen. The expansion is rather happening inside our border. We want to expand our industry which is now concentrated in Java island into Sumatra and Kalimantan islands, two big islands which are relatively empty compared to Java.

This is why massive infrastructure projects are now going on in those islands. This is also why our gas supply from Sumatra into Singapore will also be stopped in 2023 when the contract is over and our capital city is going to move into Kalimantan island. Those actions are taken to further increase population and industrialization there. So it is all about expansion inside the border that we are currently doing.

Talking about SCS I think we rather take a defensive position and build up military in Natuna island. Natuna island actually has already become a military base since Jokowi take power since 2014 election. Luckily we dont have any serious border issue with China since their overlapping 9 dash line claim only encroach some of our EEZ in Natuna. Unlike in Malaysia, Vietnam, and Philippine who have large territorial dispute with China in SCS.

If it is about some military intervention out side our border then it is still quite possible. Based on our short history after becoming an independent country, we had intervened militarily in Malaysia and East Timor. Those actions are all conducted by our nationalist secular leaders which are Soekarno and Soeharto. There is possibility if Indonesia politics is under Islamist power that we will do military intervention in middle east in the future for some reason. If you see our story in ancient time, we are quite aggressive though, with military intervention can be done as far as Vietnam. Just look on Majapahit and Srivijaya kingdoms on Wikipedia.

But that possibility will only happen IMO if our economy reach 2 trillion dollar with much healthy current account figure. We are at the moment are still struggling to keep growing at least at 5% rate and try to score positive trade balance. I believe there will be huge opposition from our people if we try to do any military adventure in Middle East with current economic situation. Our GDP per capita is also still half of Turkey so Turkish more aggressive action in Middle East cannot be compared to us.

This is why the period after 2030 IMO is the only possible time to see Indonesia ever taking such action, particularly if our economic condition are much stronger with double GDP figure from current one. With society that is predicted to be much more conservative than Today Indonesia, so I project Indonesia foreign policy will be shifted further into Islamic issue than ASEAN one. Even with current nationalist leader, we already have foreign policy with focus on Palestine, Myanmar, and Afghanistan problem. Our current work in UN Security Council is also showing that stand.

 

[HannibalBarca]

According to my opinion, such expansion is not going to happen. The expansion is rather happening inside our border. We want to expand our industry which is now concentrated in Java island into Sumatra and Kalimantan islands, two big islands which are relatively empty compared to Java.

This is why massive infrastructure projects are now going on in those islands. This is also why our gas supply from Sumatra into Singapore will also be stopped in 2023 when the contract is over and our capital city is going to move into Kalimantan island. Those actions are taken to further increase population and industrialization there. So it is all about expansion inside the border that we are currently doing.

Talking about SCS I think we rather take a defensive position and build up military in Natuna island. Natuna island actually has already become a military base since Jokowi take power since 2014 election. Luckily we dont have any serious border issue with China since their overlapping 9 dash line claim only encroach some of our EEZ in Natuna. Unlike in Malaysia, Vietnam, and Philippine who have large territorial dispute with China in SCS.

If it is about some military intervention out side our border then it is still quite possible. Based on our short history after becoming an independent country, we had intervened militarily in Malaysia and East Timor. Those actions are all conducted by our nationalist secular leaders which are Soekarno and Soeharto. There is possibility if Indonesia politics is under Islamist power that we will do military intervention in middle east in the future for some reason. If you see our story in ancient time, we are quite aggressive though, with military intervention can be done as far as Vietnam. Just look on Majapahit and Srivijaya kingdoms on Wikipedia.

But that possibility will only happen IMO if our economy reach 2 trillion dollar with much healthy current account figure. We are at the moment are still struggling to keep growing at least at 5% rate and try to score positive trade balance. I believe there will be huge opposition from our people if we try to do any military adventure in Middle East with current economic situation. Our GDP per capita is also still half of Turkey so Turkish more aggressive action in Middle East cannot be compared to us.

This is why the period after 2030 IMO is the only possible time to see Indonesia ever taking such action, particularly if our economic condition are much stronger with double GDP figure from current one. With society that is predicted to be much more conservative than Today Indonesia, so I project Indonesia foreign policy will be shifted further into Islamic issue than ASEAN one. Even with current nationalist leader, we already have foreign policy with focus on Palestine, Myanmar, and Afghanistan problem. Our current work in UN Security Council is also showing that stand.

Interesting piece.

What could be the possible stance/scenario/agenda if a Conflict btw CN/US increase to the point where it could force Indo/Malaysia out of their neutral position? (in the coming 2-5 years)

 

[War Thunder]

Indonesian Muslim is indeed getting more conservative over the years since we break out from authoritarian regime in 1998. Alhamdulillah. This is Prabowo Subianto campaign in 2019 where you can see people were attending since night and perform Tahajud and Fajr prayer before listening to the speech in the morning. I am my self vote for his rival because I see Jokowi has better economic policy. Nevertheless 45 % Indonesian are strong supporter of Islamist movement which is seen in latest election, and if this group get better leader they can win in the next election.

I hope Indonesia can cozy up to Malaysia and both at least have that side of the world covered.
Pakistan, Iran and Turkey need to get their act right if any thing is to change in Middle East, Central Asia, and South Asia.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1210568035351715842

Atleast they are doing something. Unlike the folk in my country who need a maulana to lead them like a herd of a sheep and that too for their own selfish political interest.