What's new

Once Loyal - Vietnamese are becoming more Defiant Questioning Communist Party Leadership

VALKRYIE

FULL MEMBER
Joined
Mar 6, 2015
Messages
669
Reaction score
-1
Country
Canada
Location
Canada
self%20immolation%20farmer%20vietnam-thumb-450x282-2120.png

A 52-year-old woman set herself on fire during a confrontation with officials intervening in a land dispute in central Vietnam.

Vietnam Right Now, News Report, Staff, Posted: Aug 18, 2015

In her late teens Mrs Hao used to mop floors for the French Foreign Legion and hope for a Communist victory.

Now, at the age of 80, she comes to Hanoi from her village each week to protest outside government buildings.

She is from one of nearly a thousand farming households who had their land repossessed by local authorities in one of Vietnam’s most bitter and protracted land disputes.

Despite years of violence, arrests and bitter recriminations in her village she has still not lost faith in the party and its revolution, which improved the lives of many Vietnamese peasants and still counts them among its most loyal supporters.

“The Communist Party can do wrong,” said Mrs Hao in an interview.

Her anger is focused on what she calls the “land robbers”.

“The local authorities are corrupt and greedy. The compensation they offered us is too little and they will sell the land to developers at a big profit,” she said, during one of her regular visits to Hanoi with other protesters from the beleaguered village of Duong Noi.

Mrs Hao was the daughter of a landless peasant family as the war between the French colonial army and the Viet Minh raged through the Red River Delta in the early 1950s.

“I was conscripted to work as a maid at the barracks for French soldiers. They were white and some were black and they had Vietnamese troops with them too,” she said, remembering the war of independence.

“We hated the soldiers because they used to loot and steal and take our crops.”

Her happiest memories are from after the Communist victory in the North in 1954 when land was distributed to peasants for the first time.

“There had been famine and we never had enough food, but then we were given land for the first time. We were actually given the titles. We were so joyful at that time. There were so many celebrations.”

But Duong Noi, now on the fringes of the rapidly expanding capital, is virtually a battlefield once again.

Some farmers settled and accepted compensation from the local government. But more than three hundred households are refusing to accept it and are demanding a better settlement.

“It’s like a tinderbox. The tension is so high and violence can explode at any moment,” says one of Mrs Hao’s neighbours, 60-year-old Nguyen Van Su.

Bulldozers backed by police and civil enforcers first came in 2010 and levelled large parts of the land around the village for development.

They came back in 2014 and there were violent clashes as villagers tried to block them. Seven people were arrested and sentenced to terms of imprisonment of up to 15 months for resisting officials.

“I’m not scared of the police at all, ” says Mrs Hao. “They are wrong. They evicted me and since then I have lost fifteen crops.”

Villagers say the seized land has been sealed off and is protected by fences and security guards. The land has gone to waste, including a cemetery that was cleared by bulldozers, but no building work has begun.

Duong Hoi is one of scores of land disputes that have flared up in recent years during Vietnam’s rapid growth as an industrial economy.

The complaints of the farmers are similar across the country. They say the compensation they are offered is derisory and amounts to only a tiny fraction of the value of the land.

The older farmers may retain some faith in the Communist Party and its ability to help them, but many of their children and grandchildren have reached a different conclusion.

“The government’s actions are illegal. It is obliged under national laws to give adequate compensation, resettlement and vocational training so farmers can develop another livelihood”, says Trinh Ba Phuong from Duong Noi.

The 30-year-old is leading the campaign of Duong Noi villagers and is trying to build links with other disaffected farmers across Vietnam.

His mother, Can Thi Theu, was one of those arrested in 2014 and has just completed a 15 month jail term for filming the violence from a watch tower when the police entered the village.

She was given a joyous welcome home by fellow villagers and made clear that her determination to fight on had not been diminished by her time in jail.

“(The authorities) are getting increasingly repressive and increasingly radical in the way they affect our lives. They are only inflaming hatreds and the struggle of the people to rise up against them,” she told a crowd of supporters.

The farmers are trying to increase their influence by linking up with embryonic civil society organisations that operate despite close monitoring, harassment and occasional arrest by the police and their civilian auxiliaries.

They are eager for legal training and help with organisation so they can confront the judicial authorities and campaign at the national level.

The land disputes get barely a mention in Vietnam’s official state controlled media. But the sight of angry and defiant farmers petitioning outside government offices has become a familiar one as more and more land is swallowed up by expanding cities and industrial parks.

There has also been widespread coverage and discussion on social media networks which tens of millions of Vietnamese now rely on for their information.

Bloggers and Facebook networks crackle with the latest eyewitness reports, videos, photographs and rumours of trouble in the villagers.

The threat from angry farmers, and other disaffected groups, has so far been easily contained by Vietnam’s sprawling state security apparatus.

The petitioners from Duong Noi tell stories of how they’ve been threatened and intimidated by gangs of “civilians” armed with knives during their protests in Hanoi.

Decisions by the authorities on when to crack down and when to ease off are carefully calibrated – conditioned in many cases by international pressure.

But the Communist Party has lost its long held monopoly on information.

The plight of the farmers and their supporters can no longer be hidden – from the Vietnamese public or from potential economic and diplomatic partners overseas.

http://newamericamedia.org/2015/08/once-loyal---defiant-farmers-question-party-leadership.php
 
.
The reason is unlike CPC, VCP does not purges (which is good) and hence VCP is more or less like some sort of coalition. When factions tries to compete against one another, they will use peasants and stir shit.

That is where democracy comes about.

Bad thing is right now Vietnam is in anarchy and critical decision are drag for years. No one is able to call the shot.
 
. .
The reason is unlike CPC, VCP does not purges (which is good) and hence VCP is more or less like some sort of coalition. When factions tries to compete against one another, they will use peasants and stir shit.

That is where democracy comes about.

Bad thing is right now Vietnam is in anarchy and critical decision are drag for years. No one is able to call the shot.
Lately, anti-communism factions in VN have been quite active. They take all chance to pull up their "Democracy" flag and more often than not, people are misled to believe them. For example, the nearest event that Viet Tan (a major anti-communism party based in US) cooked up was a 24 hours hunger strike to protest the releasing of "tù nhân lương tâm"/ illegal political prisioners. The event was to be held all over the world, with the focus is 2 major cities of VN: Hanoi and HCMC. On the day of the event 31/7/2015, people, who were foolish enough to believe in Viet Tan, found themselves gathering up on the site with no Viet Tan members around. Later, they found out that those who invented this event declare that they would do their strike from home, with the comfort of AC and internet. It turned out to be a ridiculous comedy. You can search keyword like "world hunger strike", I believe Viet Tan put up an English version of it.

One thing that even VNese often forget is that by laws, the land belongs to the govt. Citizens are only rented the right to use the land. Govt has the right to withdraw the land when nesscesary, with compensation of course. Because the process is between the govt and the citizen, not between citizens and businessman, people are always feel they receive less than what the land worth. It's human nature to demand more and more. I am not saying that the govt is always right, but people are easy to be misled, fooled by lies, mockings, promises. So more often than not they are the one who suffer tge nist.
 
.
I am more worrying about coming civil unrests in Eurozone and elsewhere. With such spoiled population, who get used to high standard of living and "liberal democracy", now with dipping economy, comparatively poorly trained and educated workforce, rising annual budget deficits, more and more people from poorer countries coming to compete for jobs, how these countries can survive in 10-15 years. Countries like Germany can, but chances for the rest are limited.

Far-right, Nazi-like governments are foreseeable. Not good for Vietnam and the World.
 
.
I am more worrying about coming civil unrests in Eurozone and elsewhere. With such spoiled population, who get used to high standard of living and "liberal democracy", now with dipping economy, comparatively poorly trained and educated workforce, rising annual budget deficits, more and more people from poorer countries coming to compete for jobs, how these countries can survive in 10-15 years. Countries like Germany can, but chances for the rest are limited.

Far-right, Nazi-like governments are foreseeable. Not good for Vietnam and the World.

I hope Vietnam never goes that direction. Anything that is imposed upon the country through overseas agents/interests would be more destructive than Vietnam War itself.

People need to be be historical. Remember Libya, Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, Georgia and others.

Vietnam's government is smart, efficient and will definitely progress incrementally. Just do not pressure history prematurely.
 
.
Lately, anti-communism factions in VN have been quite active. They take all chance to pull up their "Democracy" flag and more often than not, people are misled to believe them. For example, the nearest event that Viet Tan (a major anti-communism party based in US) cooked up was a 24 hours hunger strike to protest the releasing of "tù nhân lương tâm"/ illegal political prisioners. The event was to be held all over the world, with the focus is 2 major cities of VN: Hanoi and HCMC. On the day of the event 31/7/2015, people, who were foolish enough to believe in Viet Tan, found themselves gathering up on the site with no Viet Tan members around. Later, they found out that those who invented this event declare that they would do their strike from home, with the comfort of AC and internet. It turned out to be a ridiculous comedy. You can search keyword like "world hunger strike", I believe Viet Tan put up an English version of it.

One thing that even VNese often forget is that by laws, the land belongs to the govt. Citizens are only rented the right to use the land. Govt has the right to withdraw the land when nesscesary, with compensation of course. Because the process is between the govt and the citizen, not between citizens and businessman, people are always feel they receive less than what the land worth. It's human nature to demand more and more. I am not saying that the govt is always right, but people are easy to be misled, fooled by lies, mockings, promises. So more often than not they are the one who suffer tge nist.
I hope Vietnam never goes that direction. Anything that is imposed upon the country through overseas agents/interests would be more destructive than Vietnam War itself.

People need to be be historical. Remember Libya, Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, Georgia and others.

Vietnam's government is smart, efficient and will definitely progress incrementally. Just do not pressure history prematurely.


Unfortunately VIetnam has already been taken over by Goldman Sachs.

The problem of Vietnam is that unlike China, she lacks of a determine and firm patriots.

While there are many scummbag race traitors in China, there are more patriots to neutralize them. The CPC despite how bad, never believe in the shitt of free wheeling market capitalism.

The most notable is Henry Nguyen (son in law of most power person Vietnam PM Ngyen Tan Dung), a venture capitalist and former Goldman Sachs associate from Virginia who co-owns a Los Angeles soccer team and helped bring McDonald's, Pizza Hut and Forbes Magazine to Vietnam.

Now Vietnam is owned by Goldman Sachs.


Forty years after escaping war, 'boat people' find fortune back in Vietnam| Reuters
 
.
Why is facebook even allowed in VN?just wondering.
Lately, anti-communism factions in VN have been quite active. They take all chance to pull up their "Democracy" flag and more often than not, people are misled to believe them. For example, the nearest event that Viet Tan (a major anti-communism party based in US) cooked up was a 24 hours hunger strike to protest the releasing of "tù nhân lương tâm"/ illegal political prisioners. The event was to be held all over the world, with the focus is 2 major cities of VN: Hanoi and HCMC. On the day of the event 31/7/2015, people, who were foolish enough to believe in Viet Tan, found themselves gathering up on the site with no Viet Tan members around. Later, they found out that those who invented this event declare that they would do their strike from home, with the comfort of AC and internet. It turned out to be a ridiculous comedy. You can search keyword like "world hunger strike", I believe Viet Tan put up an English version of it.

One thing that even VNese often forget is that by laws, the land belongs to the govt. Citizens are only rented the right to use the land. Govt has the right to withdraw the land when nesscesary, with compensation of course. Because the process is between the govt and the citizen, not between citizens and businessman, people are always feel they receive less than what the land worth. It's human nature to demand more and more. I am not saying that the govt is always right, but people are easy to be misled, fooled by lies, mockings, promises. So more often than not they are the one who suffer tge nist.
Sounds like The Viet Tan are amateurs.. dont expect the coward southerners to achieve anything
 
.
Why is facebook even allowed in VN?just wondering.

Sounds like The Viet Tan are amateurs.. dont expect the coward southerners to achieve anything
I think VN has neither the resource nor reason to block FB completely. People just find a way around it even if FB is block by govt. Lately there have been serveral case of crimes and deaths relating to FB. I think VN should have different policies on FB users.

Yep, VT are a bunch of comedians. Sadly they have quite a number of fan across the country. Those fans, like VT mems, are also capable comedians themselves. I read their stories for jokes, really.
 
.
Just some change to fit wt TPP, nothing special. Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Mc Donal ??...all will get burned and get beaten up if dont follow VN's rules. Just look at CNese-TWese-SKorean in VN after got beaten up in the last riots, they r as nice as puppies now

The one making rule is always the winner :pop:
 
.
Just some change to fit wt TPP, nothing special. Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Mc Donal ??...all will get burned and get beaten up if dont follow VN's rules. Just look at CNese-TWese-SKorean in VN after got beaten up in the last riots, they r as nice as puppies now

The one making rule is always the winner :pop:
Let me control the treasury of a country and I not care who makes the law

Goldman and foreigners own Vn unfortunately
 
.
simply blocking FB doesn't work. The important thing is that you need to develop another ecosys to take up the role of the replaced.

There was a ChinaRen which by far pre-dated any of the current popular social websites. It wasn't very successful back then, but the idea is there, so domestic Chinese ones have no problem replacing the US's.

It is not about blocking or not blocking. It is about whom to have the right of voice.

It also reminds that when VN gov (VCP or not) was in trouble China would send them instructions to `rule', even the relation may be sour on the outside.
 
.
Let me control the treasury of a country and I not care who makes the law

Goldman and foreigners own Vn unfortunately
How to control the VN treasury while the gun, bat, knife etc are in our hands ?? Forgot what happen to CNese-TWese-SKorean etc in VN riots ?? :pop:
 
. .
Back
Top Bottom