On Arab indifference toward the Peshawar massacre

[DRaisinHerald]

Some people will always find faults due to their inherent hatred towards a particular community. But some people r trying to make cheap shots on their favorite punching bag- in this case arabs.

We have justified issues with these Arabs, but they are no doubt over-blown in this thread. I urge all Pakistani members to stop dishing out complaints and blames; as it is irrational to blame a snake for biting you if you yourself extended your arm out to it!

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

What I sadly noted here was, and apologies if I missed it in the 300 plus odd pages of the topic addressing the attack in Peshawar, that conspicuously missing were any comments from members that are called your best ally too!

I will attempt to say this in the language you'll speak. " Janabo, Cheen ke kom ya ha par kuch naye farmaye".

That a day of National mourning, silence and solitude with Pakistanis came immediately only from India. And that apart from a handful of Indian members here, you had the overwhelming support in sharing the grief from the Indian members here.

I was not surprised a bit because I've known that there is a deep bond, historically, culturally and emotionally between the two countries. No amount of government to government hostilities can circumvent that between the people of these two countries.

 

[Kambojaric]

One problem with the education system in Pakistan is that parents have a choice of educating their children in madrassas - the absolute majority of which are directly funded by Wahhabis. This creates a society of extreme thinking people and those who unconditionally start loving Arabs (because apparent Islam = Arabs; some crazy people even started demanding for Arabic to be made official if I remember correctly).
This is slowly but surely changing, and it shows when you visit the country. The next steps forwards for us are:
- closing down such madrassas, and carefully monitoring every other in the country,
- giving state education a No. 1 PRIORITY, because with degenerates running around issues such as radicalisation are impossible to prevent.

My view is that all madrassas (good or bad) should be shut down in phases in a short amount of time (say between 1 to 3 years) and instead be replaced by state funded religious schools. Only mullahs approved by the state should be allowed to teach there and these schools should be tightly monitored with any individual uttering extreme ideas being thrown behind bars. This might sound extreme but we have lost our current generation to religious fanaticism and we need to make sure that our future generations stay away from such ideologies. All talk of "economic development", "rigging of election" etc become irrelevant if we set our priorities right and realize that tackling religious extremism is the number one issue that needs to be resolved in our country today. This is a question that conveniently pretty much all political parties (plm n and PTI included) avoid but if we want to hand over to our children a better Pakistan then this is an issue we need to face head on rather than making flimsy excuses.

As for the thread itself: I don't know why some Pakistanis are still crying for about Arab sentiments. Let them do what they do, for their sorrows, or lack of, have no effect on the current situation. Let us focus on our own problems, as there is much room for improvement; all is not yet lost.

Amen to that. Its always nice to hear about other countries standing with you, Turkey with its flag flying at half mast being a case in point but if Arab countries want to maintain a distance from us and remain indifferent then we should reciprocate. Unfortunately as you said our madrassas produce individuals who think speaker of Arabic language = good Muslim who deserves our respect and attention. Another reason why we urgently need to close these places down.

 

[PakGuns]

I have argued with facts and reason all the time. If "Arabs" are such evil people what the hell are you and millions of other Pakistanis doing in the Arab world when you got India, Afghanistan and Mullahstan right next to you etc?

What is there to contradict? Some protestors? What am I supposed to comment on? You can turn to Hinduism, Judaism or the Spaghetti God for all I care. Who stops you? Me?

The biggest protests against the cartoons of Prophet Muhammad (saws) were found in the Arab world. Of course that did not cross your mind.

Nor have any Arabs asked Pakistanis or other foreigners to care about Arab matters. That's your own decision.

Try the trolling harder next time and false sense of importance vis a vis similar and worse massacres in the Arab world.

an arab saying a non-arab country mulllahistan : just bcz you are living in denmark doesn't exclude from elite group of haram...

 

[DRaisinHerald]

That a day of National mourning, silence and solitude with Pakistanis came immediately only from India. And that apart from a handful of Indian members here, you had the overwhelming support in sharing the grief from the Indian members here..

Yes that was very humane of them. But in part it is because they're a very involved country to us, it makes little sense for countries that we barely interact with (i.e. Nigeria, as someone suggested) to display such.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Yes that was very humane of them. But in part it is because they're a very involved country to us, it makes little sense for countries that we barely interact with (i.e. Nigeria, as someone suggested) to display such.

Agree. But I was not speaking of Nigeria or some far off country. I will re post what I had stated for clarity.

that conspicuously missing were any comments from members that are called your best ally too!

I will attempt to say this in the language you'll speak. " Janabo, Cheen ke kom ya ha par kuch naye farmaye"..

 

[Slav Defence]

Those fools here have made it into some competition and use innocents for their hideous agenda moreover and for the spread of hatred. They are what they are and we should give them no more attention.

Ya-akhi,
Pakistanis are so not pissed off at Arabs,point no#1
and point no#2 is that Imam e Kaaba had expressed his deep condolences and dedicated prayer to victims.
Point no#3 is that during Red mosque operation,imam e Kaaba supported us and immediately arrived for our help,and I can never forget that.However, since we consider Arabs closer to us more than anyone since by blood we are "one" (Islam was introduced in sub continent by Arabs) therefore we were expecting Arab media to express more solidarity than Indians or even Americans!
Now tell me,isn't it my right to even "complain" for late response.It is just a humble complain of your grieved fand deeply sorrowed friends!
Regards

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Agree. But I was not speaking of Nigeria or some far off country. I will re post what I had stated for clarity.

The Nigeria comment was made by someone else. I'm still interested to know the opinions of the Cheen-loving brigade on this forum. Where are those higher than mountains and deeper than oceans pengyous of ours?
Ultimately however, as I said previously, any statements and feelings from strangers have zilch effect on the actual situation.

 

[hussain0216]

What a dumb thread

 

[SipahSalar]

Islam rules supremee in Pakistan. Got a problem with this? KSA will continue to support Islam and Muslims around the world as Muslim demand this.

Nothing wrong with supporting islam. Everything is wrong with propagating extremist wahabi islam that vomits takfirs against everyone, also that didnt exist more than 200 years ago.

 

[rmi5]

@Mosamania @Hyperion
Guys, since Pakistanis were more upset after incident, I preferred to let them cool down, then share my opinion. overall, I feel Mosa, and arabs are more right in this case. this is my 2 cents:
About this specific incident, I don't understand what exactly Pakistanis expected from Arabs, but I personally did not expect more reactions and I think Arabs reactions of their officials and their media was enough. Pakistan is not the center of the world for Arabs, hence expecting 24/7 coverage, and ... is not realistic. Pakistan on the hand, has strong Pan-Islamist idea, hence care more for Arab world news than even Pakistan, which it is not Arabs fault.
I think some Pakistanis are trying to use these stuff to show their negative feelings about KSA, and such arab countries, since they believe that arabs are the ones who created such mentality and groups in Pakistan out of nowhere. But, they fail to see how Pakistanis themselves played a big role, and were willing to accept such ideologies.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Pakistan on the hand, has strong Pan-Islamist idea, hence care more for Arab world news than even Pakistan

Many Pakistanis are drowned in the idea of Muslim brotherhood, even the relatively sane ones. Second part isn't true, as one of the concerns anyone has had with our major news channels is that they always just focus on Pakistan, and give very, very little coverage to what is going on in the rest of the world.

 

[SipahSalar]

Pakistani's sitting in Arab states and living off Arabs and the opportunities found in those same Arab countries (ironically not in Pakistan) while badmouthing a nation of 500 million people and 500 million opinions.

That's PDF for you.

Let them find sanctuary at their Indian or Farsi neighbors. My patience has ended with most of the lot here. Not sure what they are doing in the Arab world in the first place. Unwanted people.

Those Pakistanis are building your country, for i'll be damned when an arab decides to get out of his audi and decide to build something, i guess that's why its a sign of Qiyamah.

I have argued with facts and reason all the time. If "Arabs" are such evil people what the hell are you and millions of other Pakistanis doing in the Arab world when you got India, Afghanistan and Mullahstan right next to you etc?

Don't flatter yourself. Pakistanis are spread throughout the world and not just KSA, where they are not even given basic rights but they still work there because they are poor.

The biggest protests against the cartoons of Prophet Muhammad (saws) were found in the Arab world. Of course that did not cross your mind.

WRONG. The biggest protests were held in Pakistan.

The odd thing is the fascination of us Pakistanis with every other Muslim especially Arab country due to this delusional concept in our minds about this non-existent Muslim brotherhood.
You see no other nationality clinging onto this Ummah ideology as Pakistanis do and these delusions are beginning to present a threat with forces like the taliban seeing the Pakistani state as an obstacle to their dream of forming a Caliphate and hence trying to destroy it.

Yes. I think you can trace this feeling of One Ummah Ideology to the birth of Pakistan. When Pakistan was created, we didn't have any friends so we fantasized that all muslims love each other and our muslim countries will stand with us. But they care more about race rather than religion. Look what they did in name of race in Darfur.

madrassa educated idiots exist

Madressa's need to be closed ASAP. There are no two ways about it.

Pakistan is not the center of the world for Arabs, hence expecting 24/7 coverage

With that logic, Pakistan is MOST CERTAINLY NOT the center of the world for USA and UK. But BBC and CNN covered the hell out of it. Still i must point out, noone is whining about why they didn't cover it. The topic is the general attitude of arabs towards fellow muslims. They don't seem to care about non-arabs.

 

[Sinnerman108]

@Mosamania @Hyperion
Guys, since Pakistanis were more upset after incident, I preferred to let them cool down, then share my opinion. overall, I feel Mosa, and arabs are more right in this case. this is my 2 cents:
About this specific incident, I don't understand what exactly Pakistanis expected from Arabs, but I personally did not expect more reactions and I think Arabs reactions of their officials and their media was enough. Pakistan is not the center of the world for Arabs, hence expecting 24/7 coverage, and ... is not realistic. Pakistan on the hand, has strong Pan-Islamist idea, hence care more for Arab world news than even Pakistan, which it is not Arabs fault.
I think some Pakistanis are trying to use these stuff to show their negative feelings about KSA, and such arab countries, since they believe that arabs are the ones who created such mentality and groups in Pakistan out of nowhere. But, they fail to see how Pakistanis themselves played a big role, and were willing to accept such ideologies.

That i believe is a very fair analysis.

If I may add, at this time of grief, what has poured oil on fire is a little irresponsible behavior on Arab member's part
and a realization from Pakistanis that they need not have believed the Pan Islamic pipe dream and have been betrayed
by religious leaders.

 

[Falcon29]

I myself can't disappoint my Pakistani brothers and sisters here. The moral and political support my people have gotten from ordinary Pakistanis is more important than any material support from any nation coming to my people. Pakistanis here and Iranians had my back whenever I engaged in debates here in defense of my peoples cause. Arabs have also , but there are few of them here. I wish there were more because the Arabs on this forum stand on one side of political spectrum in Arab world. You haven't met anybody from the opposition.

My explanation for this is that Arab media is more focused on demonizing the MB more than anything else. They are on offensive everywhere in every aspect against MB in the Arab world. All because Morsi stood with Gaza during Israeli assault. If he hadn't done that he would still be in power.

That i believe is a very fair analysis.

If I may add, at this time of grief, what has poured oil on fire is a little irresponsible behavior on Arab member's part
and a realization from Pakistanis that they need not have believed the Pan Islamic pipe dream and have been betrayed
by religious leaders.

How can we be Pan-Islamic if our nation's are run by non-Muslims who can't even speak Arabic properly? Let alone dedicate 1% of their day in worshipping God? They are Muslim by name only. And majority of our peoples support them. All Muslims are equally to blame . Besides those who try making a difference.